Cheney renews attack on some critics, defends debate on war

Flop.

... is a ringside seat to the cage match between Murtha and Cheney.

Please ???

Did someone "debate" that "mushroom cloud" statement and I missed it???

...you know, when two parties echo each other, agree genially, and sit around talking about various aspects of the same side of an argument.

If you're actually DISAGREEING with Cheney, that's not a "debate", that's "Un-American".

To him.

The bastard.

and there is an element of allegiance at work here. Possibly also why Murtha won't commit to saying the country was misled.

Like everything else they do, it ends in disaster and backlash, some of which is obvious right away, some of which takes time for it to be seen by the public.

by dickless cheney, four time or five by junior.

Just like his administration.

He knows exactly what he's doing. It's been planned for years, from the attack on 9/11 to the Iraq invasion. They just haven't learned about the theory of unplanned consequences.

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thus beating those senators to the punch yet again after they have repeatedly passed up the chance to engage him directly using plain language. Maybe he's swinging desperately now and this won't help the evil bastard convince anyone, but I wish they'd go after him "bigtime" rhetorically.

Did you ever think that those senators authorized the use of forced based upon intelligence that was, on every frickin' count, false?

(1) he knows that the charges against Dubya are true; and
(2) he is lying, actually making that argument by stating that he won't make it.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-21T195354Z_01_SCH876005_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA.xml&archived=False
Cheney shifts attack on war critics
Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:54 PM ET167


By Adam Entous

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney denied on Monday that the administration was trying to stifle dissent by lashing out at Iraq war critics, but said he drew the line at what he called shameless charges by some Democrats that the president distorted prewar intelligence.

"This is revisionism of the most corrupt and shameless variety. It has no place anywhere in American politics, much less in the United States Senate," Cheney said.

Cheney, who was a leading voice in the run-up to the 2003 U.S.-led invasion in warning of the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and links to al Qaeda, said the administration presented the best available intelligence about Iraq's weapons programs.

Cheney said it had not been Washington's responsibility to prove that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction before launching the 2003 Iraq invasion but it was up to Saddam to show that he did not have them.........

He lied then: he lies now.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

Exorcist's Father Merrin--The Demon is a liar!

*parody of the old wheaties ads*

Get out the videos of what they said. Copy the articles where they scared people into thinking there were WMDs. The Dems don't have to do anything but this.

......BLISTERING ATTACK

Last Wednesday Cheney unleashed a blistering attack on critics of the war, but on Monday he followed the lead of President George W. Bush in toning down the rhetoric. He said he welcomed a public airing of dissenting views about the war and an "entirely legitimate discussion" about changing policy.

While Cheney said he disagreed with Murtha he offered an olive branch to the Pennsylvania lawmaker, calling him a friend, a "good man" and "a patriot."

"I do not believe it is wrong to criticize the war on terror or any aspect thereof. Disagreement, argument and debate and the essence of democracy and none of us should want it any other way," Cheney said in a speech to the American Enterprise Institute.

"Nobody is saying we should not be having this discussion or that you cannot reexamine a decision made by the president and the Congress some years ago."
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the war----then comes along and says 'nice' things. Hypocritical at best.

"Nobody is saying we should not be having this discussion or that you cannot reexamine a decision made by the president and the Congress some years ago."

good friend in a few days?....How times change...LOL

Time is running out for their baseless rhetoric. Seriously. Just look at the last sentence in the OP.

"Cheney said it had not been Washington's responsibility to prove that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction before launching the 2003 Iraq invasion but it was up to Saddam to show that he did not have them........."

We know now that he had no weapons. How exactly can you show that you do not have something? The only possible way is to allow weapons inspectors. They went in and found nothing. Then they were asked to leave so we could start bombing the country anyway. Who's re-writing history now?

Because that is exactly the way I remember it.

A laughable WMD/terrorism case, and everyone too scared to challenge it after 9/11. Promises of a cakewalk and flowers.

I guess some evil Democrat zapped my head with a mind control ray to put all those false memories in my brain.

So much easier to consistently not be able to stand you.

- Kelly.

Considering the epidemic of Republican revisionism, how can someone like Dick Cheney really stand there and accuse other people of "rewriting history"?

as. . .they get to set the topic, get to use any tone they like, and monopolize the time and the interaction. They believe our job is to just stand there and be the target.

...someone charging a used-car salesman with fraud, and being told that they had no right to complain, since they believed the sales pitch when they bought the car, and thus were just as much to blame.

:crazy:

<Speaking to the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, Cheney said it could be argued that "untruthful charges against the commander in chief" could hurt the war effort>

Or perhaps it'd be more accurate to state that the "untruthful charges that the commander in chief made" about WMDs in Iraq has gotten us into this war effort which is quickly becoming a quagmire and has claimed thousands of lives on both sides. In fact the "untruthful charges that the commander in chief made" has hurt the war effort because without his "untruthful charges" which he made up to justify grounds for war, there would be no war effort

Cheney Slams War Critics, Praises Murtha

Cheney Slams War Critics _ but Praises Character of Veteran Lawmaker Who Advocates Pullout


Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington Monday, Nov. 21, 2005. Cheney charged that some Senate Democrats were "dishonest and reprehensible" for suggesting that President Bush lied to the nation about going to war in Iraq. Cheney toned down the attack on House Democrat John Murtha, who's calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, adding that Murtha is a "patriot" who's engaging in legitimate debate. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
By TOM RAUM Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Nov 21, 2005 — Vice President Dick Cheney on Monday accused critics of "corrupt and shameless" revisionism in suggesting the White House misled the nation in a rush to war, the latest salvo in an increasingly acrimonious debate over prewar intelligence.

Cheney also denounced proposals for a quick U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "a dangerous illusion" and shrugged off the failure to find weapons of mass destruction. "We never had the burden of proof," he said, adding that it had been up to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to prove to the world that he didn't have such weapons.

Following President Bush's lead, Cheney praised the character of Rep. John Murtha even as he voiced strong disagreement with the Pennsylvania Democrat's proposal last week to pull out all U.S. troops.

"He's a good man, a Marine, a patriot and he's taking a clear stand in an entirely legitimate discussion," Cheney told the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. Cheney, who represented Wyoming in the House of Representatives in the 1980s, called Murtha "my friend and former colleague."
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/IraqCoverage/wireStory?id=1334561&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Yep, still sounds like Cheney.

I guess that one stung a little.

Praise from Cheney is defamation of character.

I bet Cheney felt like such a sissy when Murtha said that, haha.

Gawd, these people are so transparent in their pathetic attempts at damage control.

Ah yes, here is the man who had "other priorities" when it came to HIS golden opportunity to serve in the armed forces that he now thinks so highly of. Well, well.

you gain insight into his feelings at the time?

all i know is that if i snarl, my emotions are not loving and giving!

but something about Murtha makes things different somehow.

So why do they keep up this charade? The closer it gets to the mid term elections the more they should (and likely will) start distancing themselves from this clusterf**k. We know it and they know it too. Are they so frickin stupid they think the situation in Iraq is gonna improve? I just don't get it.

hasn't been able to void the usual piss and vinegar for about 72 hours now. See dICK that's what happens when you piss down the neck of a Colonel with 37 years of service.

By the way dICK it should be clear by now that you have NO friends - just fellow CONspirators.

STILL trying to tie Iraq to Al Queda.
damn these lying bastards.

And were a marine in Viet Nam. But otherwise you "aren't a patriot". Cheney is such scum.

P.S. Nothing against Murtha, but their shouldn't be a litmus test to this debate.

so now only MURTHA can be against the war???

No bones with Murtha at all, as he is about the only one with any balls right now, but look at what we've become as well:

soon, very soon, ONLY those with military backgrounds will be able to run for office, as that's what we're all about now..... (Not that running for office means much anyway)

Timetables, drafts, fighting turrerism -- this is what we're all about.

Although I don't believe in him/her, I have to say, God help the down-trodden in this country, because no one in government will.

Evidently Murtha is at Walter Reed or Bethesda frequently. I know Bush has made 6 or 8 visits, but never heard of any by Creepy Veepy.

He wants to deflect the discussion away from the president by poorly projecting the cause of the war into critisism of the troops.