Kerry accuses Bush, Cheney of `misleading' in Iraqi war run-up

It's also called lying...

I am just SOOOO sick of the "We were lied to routine." (sigh)

I just want one Democrat to come out and say, "Yeah, we were fed misinformation. Yes, we knew it was all spin. Many of you knew it, too. But our political lives were threatened and we chose to go along with it in a way that might allow us to still be in office to help out once people came to their senses. At the time, Dem's were outnumbered and were ostracized as cowards for uttering anything not entirely Pro-War. The level of unprecedented hostility from the Right Wing, the consolidated, lying-by-ommision media whose political interests are well-documented, the cultivated atmosphere of fear and the emotionally surging public...this was far to much for any politician to risk his/her political future on for a War Plan that was already in full swing. There were just too many examples of the catastrophic consequences that befell those who objected to this horrible crusade. So, like most of my colleagues, I went along. And now, it's time to fight back."

THAT is the truth. Not the other shit they're all trying to sell right now.

I lost alot of respect for the cowering Dems when they started pretending they believed the Bush Lies 3 years ago. They're still pretending the were fooled. They shoulda done the right thing back then. As Bush knows, one lie can lead to another until you have no respectable option to make sense of it all. The Dem's did it under duress, but they did go along with it. For now, I'm glad that the public's denial is eroding and the Bushco plot is coming to light. Since the Dem's can't reinvent the past, they might as well pound away.

The threat of nuclear weapons did it for me.

Although, I personally was for the resolution, at the time, I didn't believe it would necessarily mean war. It seemed like the best way to pressure Saddam to let us in. We have our guns trained on you, Mr. Hussein. Let's talk. And then Bsh decided "enough talk" and attacked Iraq. That just totally shocked me. It wasn't until then that I began to realize that Bsh wasn't just an asshole, that he was a power-drunk lunatic.

It couldn't have been an easy decision for Congress to make and every piece of evidence was weighed with the graveness of the situation in deciding on the resolution. Any single piece of evidence that they were denied, each shred of truth kept from them might have made the difference. That is why is is so important to go after the perpetrators of these lies. That is why Democrats who voted for the resolution are so damn angry.

A: a deception
B: a misleading statement
C: a l-l-l (c'mon, John) l-l-l...

Iraq war critics dishonest. I love that facts are now debatable. Sigh.
Cheney: Some Iraq Critics Are 'Dishonest'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq_24;_ylt=ApBUeU9pE9WXqnOp2uVLgKFX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

:-)

He ALMOST said the L word.

peace.

Boston.

Glen Johnson comes from the BG. People at the BG hold an old grudge against Kerry.

with Cheney. He isn't going to call either Bsh or Cheney a liar; he's going to do everything in his power to prove they both are exactly that. In effect: he's letting them know that Democrats are going to push for a complete investigation.

We're coming for you.

i love this guy :)

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., speaks during a news conference in Boston, Monday, Nov. 21, 2005, to respond to Vice President Dick Cheney's comments on Iraq. (AP Photo/Chitose Suzuki)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051121/480/macs10211212120

It is called LYING Kerry. Like you whispered to the fellow last year at the campaign stop. Didn't hesitate to say 'biggest bunch of lying crooks" then did you? Oh yeah, it was OFF camera, you thought,
:eyes:

This really irratates me that no one in DC can say the word LIE....


WHY!!!!

backed down from that statement either.

My God do you want the man to kiss your feet? For Christsakes if you don't get what he is saying then look it up in a dictionary.

Words spoken without actions taken don't mean a thing. He has taken action, to me that is what is important, not crying over one damn word. :argh:

Give it a break.

you do. And I am not "crying over one damn word" I am PISSED at his Lack of action and bullshit DLC lightness. Kerry is still the mealy mouthed weakling candidate of a year ago. He is still contradicting himself evey time he speaks. he denounced Murtha's statement the day he said it. The next day he "agrees" with him. I listen to him! He blows with the wind and needs to blow out the door as a presidential candidate. get over it.

your post is filled with misleading statements. I will not argue with someone who perpetrates falsehoods, and does it purely to his/her own self satisfaction.

So as of now you are on my Ignore list.

EOM.

and go back and read the DU rules since you don't seem to be able to take the heat. :eyes:

You are spreading misinformation.

He immediately defended Murtha when the RW trashed him.

I watched him interviewed on wolf's show and he said... 'I don't support Rep. Murtha's stance on Iraq". He also made a very pissy statement, interupting wolf to say he regretted his IWR vote BEFORE Edwards did! What a fucking baby! The VERY NEXT DAY he changed his mind and sent out a press release supporting Murtha. I know because I received one as an email and thought , there he goes again. I don't rewrite history, kerry does. Deal with it.

is NOT trashing him. He gave a tough speech ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE defending Murtha from Republican attacks on the same day as the Blitzer/Matthews interviews. There is no change on either issue:

1) Kerry's plan is not the same as Murtha's. Why should Kerry switch to Murttha's plan when he feels his is better. You likely didn't argue that Murtha should support Kerry's which was proposed earlier.
Kerry's position ( that he supports his own plan) NEVER changed.

2) Kerry has consistently spoken against character assinations. He has been the first to defend McCain, Cleland and Kerrey - he has been absolutely consistent on this for at least 5 1/2 years.

I also had no problem with the statement on the vote. Kerry did make a major policy speech at Georgetown 3 weeks before Edwards wrote his op-ed. He also did interviews repeating the same thing. The media opted to ignore this. Kerry was directly asked the question - I guess in your view he should have meekly simply said "yes", rather than truthfully saying that he had renounced the vote 3 weeks before Edwards. The media was intentionally misstating his position for weeks. (We know it was intentional because many of us emailed the various shows the transcript of the Georgetown speech.)

I am sorry I implied you lied - that requires intent to deceive where you were simply wrong.

say that he respectfully disagrees with the plan because he has his own withdrawal plan that he submitted 3 weeks earlier.

I believe Murtha and Kerry coordinated the timing of Murtha's announcement while Kerry was already booked on the shows that day to talk about his own plan.

I believe they wanted to draw out the swiftboat attacks so they could expose the WH on that tactic.

I think this was when the marketing of the war actually started.

liar and bullshit! If they can call Murtha a coward you can certainly call the lying liars liars. Then work up to stole, stealers, stolen and thieves. You can say the things we all know, remember, we've got your back...

last year, he also refused to say the word "lie."

Yet he believe so strongly in speaking 'TRUTH to Power.' Yet in order to effectively do so, sometimes one must reference the opposite of 'Truth' ...in order to better define it...to 'flush out' the UN-Truth's...the "lies."

They "lied," John. They "LIED"...big time...many times...like criminals do. And it's time we quit being polite, and finally "SPEAK Truth to Power"...if Dem's are ever to prevail.

But this is what his colleagues had to say when Sen Kerry used the "L" word.

Senators reject Kerry's claim Bush misled U.S.

By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Senate leaders from both parties heading an inquiry of intelligence information on Iraq yesterday repudiated Sen. John Kerry's accusation that the Bush administration misled the country into war, and accused him of political posturing.

Mr. Kerry made the accusations against Mr. Bush while campaigning in Lebanon, N.H., on Wednesday.
"I will not let (Mr. Bush) off the hook throughout this campaign with respect to America's credibility and credibility to me, because if he lied, he lied to me personally. I believe I can hold President Bush accountable if they have misled us," Mr. Kerry said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030623-122726-4425r.htm

So when he called bush* a liar, he's accused of political posturing, and when he doesn't, he's accused of political posturing.

Maybe that's why he doesn't care much for the word.

Damned if you do...

edit typo

That's the word I wish Democrats would begin to us along with "manipulated" intelligence.

Say it was "doctored" which is was. People understand that.

Bush and Cheney "doctored" the intelligence that they presented to Congressional Democrats.

I call bullshit.

they laid down with the devil and now have to live with the repercussions.

FlemingsGhost, I know where you are coming from, but John Kerry did what nearly 1/2 of the Democrats in the Senate did in supporting the IWR. No one was harder on Kerry and his supporters back then here at the DU then me (ask blm). Chris Heinz took the time to tell me that he'd faxed a copy of one of my posts to John.

I supported Howard Dean in the primaries and then had the sense to support Senator Kerry against the monster in the White House. John Kerry made a mistake. He doesn't need to beat himself up over this. He is doing the right thing now. And is record over the long, long stretch from the 1960's until today has demonstrably been that of a consistent voice for labor, peace, women and minorities and for social/economic/environmental justice. His vote on the IWR and his comment that Bush "misled" him were regrettable, but do try to let it go. I did.

Kerry is on our side.

How is Sen. John Kerry going to ask the last man to die for a bald-faced lie? Or in Kerry's case, the pursuit of the U.S. Presidency?

I know what John Kerry has done in the past. It's too bad he's become part of the problem, now.

That was "misleading," too.

Good for him for spaeking out, but he's still playing opportunist politics. And he's still not getting my vote in '08, if that what he has in mind ...

like the soldier he is, I'll support him again, but he'll have to work hard for it.

I'm not one of those liberals who support just because I agree with their politics or some of the things they might say.

some "liars" for good show!

he is speaking out against the evil doers in the White House. They cheated us of potentially two great presidents and our money and our lives and our honor. You go, Kerry. You fought valiantly for our country; you saved lives. You have fought for the environment and for the people who need our help at home and abroad. You can speak for me anytime. I know you are sincere and not some politician running for election. Your years of service have earned you our respect.

...and thank you.:patriot:

:kick:

Too bad he did not come out with this a year ago.

-sigh--

Three years after Repugs jammed Democratic Party phone lines in my state (NH) during the elections in 2002, we are still fighting to put the bastards responsible behind bars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_scandal We should have Senator Shaheen and might have had it not been for the crap they pulled. Justice will come to them, but the damage has been done. The Repugs got their man into office.

But the thing is: nobody is letting any of this go. It may take time, but the bastards will be held to account. We have to keep the pressure on, keep the investigations ongoing and above all keep faith. The house of lies will fall. We have to make sure that it does. But it is going to take time and patience and determination.

people saying they then would have been spared 4 years of Bush are crazy.