Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

U.K. charges official with leaking Blair memo (so, --there WAS a memo)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:08 PM
Original message
U.K. charges official with leaking Blair memo (so, --there WAS a memo)



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10153489/from/RS.3/

U.K. charges official with leaking Blair memo

Document allegedly says PM dissuaded Bush push for attack on Al-Jazeera
NBC News and news services
Updated: 11:31 a.m. ET Nov. 22, 2005

LONDON - A civil servant has been charged under Britain’s Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking a government memo that a newspaper said Tuesday suggested that Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded President Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.

The Daily Mirror reported that Bush spoke of targeting Al-Jazeera’s headquarters in Doha, Qatar, when he met Blair at the White House on April 16, 2004. The Bush administration has regularly accused Al-Jazeera of being nothing more than a mouthpiece for anti-American sentiments.

The Daily Mirror attributed its information to unidentified sources. One source, said to be in the government, was quoted as saying that the alleged threat was “humorous, not serious,” but the newspaper quoted another source as saying that “Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair.”

Blair’s office declined to comment on the report, stressing it never discusses leaked documents......


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:12 PM
Response to Original message
1. Link to the Al JAzeera report on the leaked memo:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FA5DC791-B0D3-418E-9946-87162E6C6EC1.htm
<snip>
The transcript of the pair's talks during Blair's 16 April 2004 visit to Washington allegedly shows Bush wanted to attack the satellite channel's headquarters in Doha, Qatar.

Blair allegedly feared such a strike, in the capital of Qatar, a key Western ally in the Gulf, would spark revenge attacks.

Aljazeera has said in a news statement that it is investigating the report and urged the US and British governments to challenge it.

A British civil servant has been charged under the Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking the government memo.
more...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
2.  “a damaging disclosure” by a servant of the Crown..




Court appearance next week

Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh is accused of passing it to Leo O’Connor, who formerly worked for former British lawmaker Tony Clarke. Both Keogh and O’Connor are scheduled to appear at London’s Bow Street Magistrates Court next week.

According to the Crown Prosecution Service, Keogh was charged with an offense under Section 3 of the Official Secrets Act relating to “a damaging disclosure” by a servant of the Crown of information relating to international relations or information obtained from a state other than the United Kingdom.

O’Connor was charged under Section 5, which relates to receiving and disclosing illegally disclosed information.

According to the newspaper, Clarke returned the memo to Blair’s office. Clarke did not respond to calls from The Associated Press seeking comment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. looks like he just 'borrowed' it for a while. te he.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. nominate
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. The WH is taking the bait--but they challenged it by labeling the Mirror

a tabloid (dismissing it).




Aljazeera has said in a news statement that it is investigating the report and urged the US and British governments to challenge it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. The BBC (not a tabloid operation!) is reporting on the story as well. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
63. It was the Mirror
that published the 'how can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB' headline under a b**h picture the day after the election last year. No wonder it is a 'tabloid'.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
67. and guess who is behind the threat
to prosecute journalists for disclosing the material in this memo. Not Downing Street, I bet, but the White House, pulling Tony's strings. And this also proves that it *was* a threat - disclosing the full text would reveal the context and prove if it were a joke or not. Only one person would be embarrassed by that...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
6. "...the alleged threat was 'humorous, not serious'."
Who does * think he is, Ronald Reagan?! "We begin bombing in five minutes."

Republicans do seem to find a lot of humor in making threats, don't they?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
42. I wonder if any DU child psychologist could tell us why they
find such things so humorous. I have noticed other times as well where some news will be discussed, or a news report will come on and the rabid repugs either on TV or in my office just die laughing and no one else does.

I wonder what is wrong with them mentally. (I know, a lot, but maybe a professional diagnosis could help identify a treatment :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #6
47. Humor often has to be based in truth for it to work.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #6
56. Humorous? wasn't funny for the offices in Baghdad and Kabul
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
7. I shouldn't be surprised,...but DAMN Bush is fucking crazy!!!!
:wow:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. After the inside job that was 9/11, and Anthrax, need you further proof?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
28. Yes!!!!......I still can't believe how naive people are.
But...I guess they have to hit over the head 1000 times
before they wake up.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
9. Wouldn't want anyone "catapulting propaganda".....
other than bush. There is only one official, accepted world view and that comes directly from george w. bush. All other views are frowned upon and or bombed into oblivion depending on his mood that day. Thank you citizen, you may now continue your daily state sponsored and approved routine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
10. This puts me in mind of the members of the press who were
attacked in Iraq.

It lends credence to the idea that the military did indeed purposefully target them.

How can we allow BushCo three more years in power? Everyday it's some new hell served fresh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cugel the Clever Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:18 PM
Response to Original message
11. Bomb everything that starts with 'Al'
This is just another example of callow immorality of the Bush administration. Bush wants to bomb the loudmouths at Al-Jazeera because they dare to report the news from an Arab perspective. Thank God he had to get permission from the (at least) sane Blair.

When will this gang of lying scumbags be thrown under a jail. Their bumbling acts of corruption are a constant embarrassment that is draining the lifeblood of America. My children live in an increasingly dangerous world directly because of Bush's actions.

The world has changed and will keep changing, maybe faster than any of us can realize. Bush and his gang are acting like Harbingers of the Apocalypse, to use a florid if apt metaphor. Scary.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
prescole Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Watch out, Al Franken! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cugel the Clever Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. That's Al-Franken
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. And Al-Roker... (Bush* --- "hey, wuzzn't he a weatherman...?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Don't forget Al-anon, cuz they don't want him drinking.
My guess is he gave the word to bomb the Baghdad hotel, where they killed the journalist, early on in the war.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #11
32. Look out Al-Gore and Al-Bundy....
You're next! :scared:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. Al-Sharpton
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #40
53. What about Al-Abama?
Do they count? :)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #53
62. I will go ask her
Al-Aska.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. They wouldn't attack the Al-Aska Mosque, would they?
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:18 PM
Response to Original message
12. So are the DU servers in underground bunkers?
Since I'm sure the Bushies consider us nothing more than a "mouthpiece for anti-American sentiments" too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Now that's Funny
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
37. maybe not so funny
if * starts another war against Iran with nukes you can bet the internets will be shut down one way or another, right after the draft starts back up. I really am worried that this is coming; there seems no end to stories of bases and background deals which seems to indicate that * has no plans to leave Iraq and definately will not allow Iran to continue it's admitted course. God, I'd like to pull *'s lips off. Piece of shit human being.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
prescole Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
15. Were the bombings of Al Jazeere in Iraq and Afghanistan innocent
accidents?

"Al-Jazeera offices in Iraq and Afghanistan have been hit by U.S. bombs or missiles, but each time the U.S. military said they were not intentionally targeting the broadcaster.

"In April 2003, an Al-Jazeera journalist was killed when its Baghdad office was struck during a U.S. bombing campaign. Nabil Khoury, a State Department spokesman in Doha, said the strike was a mistake.

"In November 2002, Al-Jazeera’s office in Kabul, Afghanistan, was destroyed by a U.S. missile. None of the crew was at the office at the time. U.S. officials said they believed the target was a terrorist site and did not know it was Al-Jazeera’s office."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. Accidents ...........My fat ass.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #15
39. They were intentional because the military heads always...
claim to use 'smart' bombs and 'precision' guided munitions. They are so smart they never miss their targets.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
16. If it was open season on government propaganda outlets, Fox News would
have been vulnerable in a tit-for-tat bombing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
18. He probably wants to bomb CNN too
I'm sure he doesn't make much of a distinction between the two.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thecodewarrior Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. If we were freeper scum bags
We'd openly call for a liberal media to be destroyed.

They certainly want CNN and the rest blown up. Then again some neocon in the military sent Dems the anthrax. Not one bit of anthrax was sent to a neocon. It was an military inside job by some whack job who probably posts on freerepublic.

Semper Cry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #18
46. And hurt Wolfie?
Not on your life.
CNN is one of Bush's best friends.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:44 PM
Response to Original message
22. Wow. The Brits porxecute"leakers" & the press reports it. How different.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:44 PM
Response to Original message
23. msnbc just reported this story (again)---said some level source is saying
that they were joking when this was said.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. The Cavalcade of Embarassment just keeps rolling along
Remember dear friends, we've got THREE MORE YEARS of this coming down the pike. Can we hold on ? Help me maintain my composure. Like Capt. Binghampton on McHale's Navy

I JUST WANT TO SCREAM !!!!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
24. WTF?
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 02:49 PM by McCamy Taylor
:nuke:

Someone needs to take Monkey Boy's finger off the red button. He is too eager to blow things up that dont need to be blown up. A nice way of saying that he is a war criminal and war criminals should not have nukes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:50 PM
Response to Original message
26. The Bush mafia at work.
disgusting!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:50 PM
Response to Original message
27. Scotty M. comment below (WH)

from the Initial Post-msnbc

“We are not interested in dignifying something so outlandish and inconceivable with a response,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan told The Associated Press in an e-mail.

Blair’s office declined to comment on the report, stressing it never discussed leaked documents.

Al-Jazeera said in a statement that it was investigating the report. “If the report is correct then this would be both shocking and worrisome not only to Al-Jazeera but to media organizations across the world,” it said.

In Qatar, Al-Jazeera said it was aware of the report, but did not wish to comment. The U.S. Embassy in London said it was making no comment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Patrick J Fitzgerald Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Damn! Coulda been a no-bid contract for Halliburton
to rebuild it...

OK, busy day, but just wanted to share that I did a little personal housekeeping this morning and bought some shares of Google, eBay and Apple in my IRA. Last time I had looked Google was at $286.00 per share in September. Kicking myself a bit since I paid $408.00 today!

If I get a chance to depose Dick Cheney I am going to ask HIM for some stock tips.

"Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) recently asserted that Cheney's stock options in Halliburton which were worth $241,498 a year ago, are now valued at more than $8 million-- for an increase of 3,281%. Cheney has pledged to give the proceeds to charity. Uh huh. Cheney continues to received a deferred salary from the company. He was paid $205,298 in 2001; $162,392 in 2002; $178,437 in 2003; and $194,852 in 2004.

Cheney's recipe for success? Textbook war profiteering with no-bid contracts and no taxes.

At last count Halliburton had 58 offshore subsidiaries in Caribbean tax havens. With Cheney at the helm Halliburton’s tax payments to the U.S. went from $302 million in 1998 to zero in 1999, when they also received a refund of $85 million from the Internal Revenue Service.

During Cheney’s tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000, Halliburton Products and Services set up shop in Iran. The Halliburton subsidiary does approximately $40 million a year worth of oil field service work for the Iranian government. 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl visited the subsidiary in the Cayman Islands and found that it had no office and no employees. The mailing address was a local bank with which the subsidiary is registered. Stahl was met there by the bank’s manager who informed her that all mail to the subsidiary is forwarded to Halliburton headquarters in Houston. Halliburton had created the subsidiary to allow itself to do illegal business with a rogue state and to skip out on its taxes in the process"...smooooooth, Dick.

Gotta run, late for power lunch at my desk....chicken salad and Snapple. :)

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #27
38. So, no official denial. No comment.
Aha, ok.. Those guys are clever. And awful transparent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #27
60. The Preznit has spent his credibility capital
And when his mouthpiece Snotty Dances-with-Lies says,

“We are not interested in dignifying something so outlandish and inconceivable with a response,”

All I can think is, "So, it's true."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #27
61. A non-denial denial ("dignifying something so outlandish")
In other words, it is true.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:28 PM
Response to Original message
31. "just kidding"
Re the part where they say Bush was joking around - for the average citizen, jokes about bombing things will land you in jail, or GTMO.

haha. Real funny.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 05:00 PM
Response to Original message
34. Worrying memo? Msnbc is sure reporting on it a lot
Worrying memo?
Sir Menzies Campbell, foreign affairs spokesman for the opposition Liberal Democrats, said Tuesday that, if true, the memo was worrying.

“If true, then this underlines the desperation of the Bush administration as events in Iraq began to spiral out of control,” he said. “On this occasion, the prime minister may have been successful in averting political disaster, but it shows how dangerous his relationship with President Bush has been.”

Al-Jazeera offices in Iraq and Afghanistan have been hit by U.S. bombs or missiles, but each time the U.S. military said they were not intentionally targeting the broadcaster.

In April 2003, an Al-Jazeera journalist was killed when its Baghdad office was struck during a U.S. bombing campaign. Nabil Khoury, a State Department spokesman in Doha, said the strike was a mistake.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 05:34 PM
Response to Original message
35. Top story on BBC Newsnight - streaming live now
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 05:47 PM by muriel_volestrangler
here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

and it will also be available for download in about an hour from now, for the next 24 hours. Featuring the loathsome Frank Gaffney, who actually defended the idea of bombing Al Jazeera!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #35
57. Frank Gaffney?
Why is the BBC so fond of him? It knows perfectly well that he will say stupid, incendiary things, whatever he is asked! There must be perfectly sane, liberal US commentators it could ask instead of such shameless supporters of "America First" nationalism!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #57
65. He was there as 'opposition' for the Al Jazeera head in London
and didn't do Bush any favours, I think, by coming off as such a wingnut (though I agree it might give the impression this is a typical American view). For the record, this is what he said:

Paxman: If this is true, it's outrageous, isn't it?

Gaffney: Well, I don't know if it is true, and if it has some truth to it, I'm not sure it is outrageous. I believe Al Jazeera is an instrument of enemy propaganda in a war we are obliged to fight and win, not just for Americans, and not just for Iraqis, but for freedom-loving people everywhere, and I think that, to the extent that Al Jazeera is actively aiding our foes, it is certainly appropriate to talk about what do you do to neutralize it, to prevent it from doing that sort of harm to the cause, and even to the lives of our servicemen in this war.

(Al Jazeera rep says this is about targetting innocent journalists)

Gaffney: I would say that is not the main point. The main point is precisely what I said it was, namely that we're dealing with a news organization, so called, that has put its news cameras, its journalists, its personnel, in harm's way, in the service of enemies of this country, of the people of Iraq, and, I think, of other freedom-loving people. We're talking about a news organization, so called, that is promoting bin Laden, that is promoting Zawahiri, that is promoting Zarqawi, that is promoting beheading, that is promoting suicide bombings, that in other ways is enabling the propaganda aspects of this war to be fought by our enemies. I think that puts it squarely in the target category. Whether the best way to do it is with bombs or through other means is something we could discuss - I think it's fair game under these circumstances.
...
(Paxman: were the other bombings accidents?)

I've no way of knowing. If they've been described as accidents, I'm sure they were. To the extent that Al Jazeera is indeed engaged in things that put it squarely on one side, not in the middle, not objectively reporting it, I think it puts itself in those crosshairs(? - both talking at once).

(Paxman: You don't like what they say, do you?)

Gaffney: Let me be clear - it's not about not liking what they say - what they are saying is compounding the danger to our team in this war - not just Americans, but Iraqis, ... innocent civilians ... (crosstalk)
First of all, I do not know there was any plan, any discussion of any plan, to bomb a headquarters, or any place else.

Paxman: But you clearly think there should be a plan.

Gaffney: I'm suggesting to you that when the Iraqis themselves have said Al Jazeera is making it more difficult for us to secure freedom, that is an indication that the yare not simply observing the scene, they are actively engaged in subverting freedom, and I think that makes them into what amounts to an arm of enemy combatants.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #65
80. "making it more difficult for us to secure freedom"
:puke:

That's right...securing freedom, around the globe.
We rock!

:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #57
68. I think the BBC like to get
a right winger on to counter the leftist view. It allows Paxman and the BBC to remain impartial in the middle and grill both sides.

Newsnight used to use Richard Perle and Ken Adelman for these War/Terrorism segments but I don't recall seeing either of them for a while. I guess pond life hibernates for the winter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
36. * probably wishes he could bomb everyone
save his lady cirlce of friends. Easy to drop bombs, damn hard to not drop them. Fucking coward. Shrub should be in prison. There is no justice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 08:19 PM
Response to Original message
41. "Bush al-Jazeera 'plot' dismissed"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4459296.stm

Bush al-Jazeera 'plot' dismissed

The White House has dismissed claims George Bush was talked out of bombing Arab television station al-Jazeera by UK Prime Minister Tony Blair.

...

A White House official said: "We are not going to dignify something so outlandish with a response."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Completely different take on the "it was a joke" aspect in your BBC
article. So, did a gov't official claim it was a joke or is it so "outlandish" that it must have been a joke. IMO Bush was dead serious. He wanted them shut down, taken off the air - I do remember that much.

"BBC News website world affairs correspondent Paul Reynolds said: "An attack on al-Jazeera would also have been an attack on Qatar, where the US military has its Middle East headquarters. So the possibility has to be considered that Mr Bush was in fact making some kind of joke and that this was not a serious proposition."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Damn, they spun that one good.
Of course the WH dismissed claims that bush* was talked out of bombing al-Jazeera. We did bomb al-Jazeera. Several times.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 08:33 PM
Response to Original message
44. This all gets back to the root of the problem
We have allowed in the US for the president to have to much choice to use the military. We need to get back to what the constitution says that only the congress can declare war. Bush and Cheney TOTALLY think they have a free pass to on their own to bomb anywhere on earth. Someone needs to wake these lunatics up to the fact thay cannot do that, they don't have the authority to do it, no one in America does or should.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #44
50. You've hit the point Charles19. I would even argue that at this point, ..
...when this nation has such destructive power at its disposal, that the executive branch should be nothing more than ceremonial. We live in a world in which we have given the executive branch of this government, ultimate power over the life and deaths of billions. That state-of-affairs, should end. The Presidential Office, should be made one of a good-will ambassador, and that's it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #50
54. Agree Agree Agree
When the Soviet Union was collapsing Gorbechev said he was going to do the worst thing anyone ever did to the United States "take away its enemy". All the dinosaurs in politics and especially in the Pentagon and defense establishment didn't know what to do, or how to operate in a world without Russia. Where they didn't need to have a military complex capabable of killing every human on earth over and over. They needed an enemy. They have their enemy now, even though the enemy isn't quite keeping up its end of the bargain of being like a big bad communist Russia. However they still think they need to operate in this mode, well in my opinion they don't even know they are doing this. They have only known how to operate in this mode.

We need to right the ship. To get the Executive back in check. Your opinion on making it more of a good-will ambassador office is excellent. Like with Prince Charles recently visiting the U.S. He talks favorably about Islam and humanitarian causes. Bush politics can never talk about these type of issues. They have to play the tough guy who doesn't care every day to keep their bone headed base happy. This is nonsense.

The constitution party right now is taking advantage of these concepts. Trying to return our government to a more rational (and what it was designed for) system. I wish the democrats too would take a the bold move of taking advantage of this type of thinking. I believe a lot of peole agree with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:50 AM
Response to Original message
48. What's that?
A leaked memo? Some leaked memos, could this be? Downing Street could be upset that they were essentially forced to fight in war they knew didn't pass the smell test. With Bush saying to the world, you're either with us or against us, Tony Blair had no option but to find a way to go along with our personality :crazy: disordered, drunken president. While Bush speaks about a free and democratic Middle East, he secretly plans to annihilate a large media center that broadcasts to Arab countries. This is the Bush brand of democracy, Either you're with us or against us, including what you think, feel, and believe. In the meantime we here in America are subjected to pundits paid by the White House to talk up their failed policies. How embarrassed those proper Brits must be knowing now the buffoon they followed into a morass of chaos and unending war.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:03 AM
Response to Original message
49. Bush and the Neo-cons are insane...
...just more proof that we have power-mad despots at the helm.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:42 AM
Response to Original message
51. If this were any other week....
I'd say that the Bush two-step is in full effect. To refresh your memories:

Day 1: A scandal emerges. Deny it.

Day 2: More information emerges to prevent denial. Dismiss it.

Day 3: Blame the Democrats.

Day 4: Terra! Terra! Terra!

Day 5: "We do not comment on continuing investigations."

However in this case, a vast proportion of the nation which can afford it and a large number of those who do not will have the day off on Thursday--Terra Day in the White House lexicon.

Will that make the terror warning more likely or less likely? I don't know, but I suppose we'll find out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:48 AM
Response to Original message
52. There is a memo, and Bush did threaten to bomb Al-Jazeera in Qatar
This story has raised concerns in the UK that Bush is a loose canon and that Blair was wrong in ever trusting him. Opposition politicians are demanding answers!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antiblazer Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
55. Bush using terrorism against journalists
If this is true, every talking head needs to shout it over and over. The public needs to understand that BUSH HIMSELF IS A TERRORIST!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:14 AM
Response to Original message
58. when WILL we impeach the dangerous * moron?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:53 AM
Response to Original message
59. Ironic - two criminals are discussing murder and destruction
And the people who report their felonious conversation (the "whistle-blowers") are charged with a crime.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:03 PM
Response to Original message
66. If this is true...
...not only is he a without a soul, but even more worrisome, he's completely divorced from reality. He really thinks he can do anything he wants---just like his frat days, the pranks are just a wee bit more consequential now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Original message
69. kick
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Original message
70. U.K. Official Charged Over Al-Jazeera Leak
U.K. Official Charged Over Al-Jazeera Leak

A British civil servant has been charged under the Official Secrets Act for allegedly leaking a government memo that, according to a newspaper report Tuesday, suggests British Prime Minister Tony Blair persuaded U.S. President (sic) George W. Bush not to bomb the Arab satellite television station Al-Jazeera.

<snip>

Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh is accused of passing it to Leo O'Connor, who worked for former British lawmaker Tony Clarke. Both Keogh and O'Connor are scheduled to appear at London's Bow Street Magistrates Court next week.

According to the Crown Prosecution Service, Keogh was charged with an offense under section 3 of the Official Secrets Act relating to "a damaging disclosure" by a servant of the crown of information relating to international relations or information obtained from a state other than the United Kingdom. O'Connor was charged under section 5, which relates to receiving and disclosing illegally disclosed information.

<snip>

Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
71. But, but. ot was just a JOKE! Chimpy's handlers say so!
:crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #71
75. Someone in the administration actually said that?
:wow:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #71
76. Thanks to the UK, we now know it wasn't a joke and was actually considered
There is absolutely NOTHING too low or too malicious for the Busholini Cabal. Nothing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. I see freedom is on the march in GB, too!
Whoopey!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. torture, civilian bombings,
news channel bombings, white phosphorus, smear campaigns, lies, secret prisons, broken elections, propaganda, ineffective leadership, cronies, pre-emptive invasion, what did I miss?

this is such a fucking joke, as a Canadian shame on Great Britain, and America....please make it stop!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
74. They said it was so ridiculous it didn't warrant a reply...but then an
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 12:10 AM by kansasblue
arrest in the U.K.

what gives?

" but the White House described the Daily Mirror report as "outlandish".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
77. As to our "civil servants",
the information they leak is to help cover up the truth and put others in harms way...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
78. Wouldn't it be nice if blair and bush held themselves to the same standard
as they do everyone else when it comes to obeying the laws of the land.

Prick-face hypocrites.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
79. This happened 3 days ago.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #79
81. It actually happened 8 days ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4447100.stm

but no-one knew what was in the document then. It was only on Tuesday that the contents appeared in the Mirror.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. holey moley :) nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 10:22 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC