USA: 800 secret CIA flights into and out of Europe

Amnesty International today revealed that six planes used by the CIA for renditions have made some 800 flights in or out of European airspace including 50 landings at Shannon airport in the Republic of Ireland.

The information contradicts assurances given last week by the US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to the Irish Foreign Minister Dermot Ahern, that Ireland's Shannon airport had not been used for "untoward" purposes, or as a transit point for terror suspects.

Amnesty international has obtained flight records for six CIA-chartered planes from September 2001 to September of 2005. According to the US Federal Aviation Administration over this period, these planes landed 50 times in Shannon and took off 35 times, suggesting that some flights were kept secret. Although Shannon airport is used as a refuelling stop for the US military, none of the planes were military transport planes. In total for this period, the six planes made some 800 flights originating or landing in Europe.

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR511982005

I wonder what ole Walter Mondale has to say about this! Oh, I get so sick of these people giving her the benefit of the doubt. She's a liar, liar, liar....

Being caught in these kind of blatant outright lying hurts us so much. Our reputation as a country and a people is suffering and being mis characterized. Either that or we are a bunch of lying, blood-thirsty fucks..

Which is it?

www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/nation/13330713.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051205/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice

...Information gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies from a "very small number of extremely dangerous detainees," the secretary said, and has helped prevent terrorist attacks and saved lives "in Europe as well as in the United States and other countries."

who ya gonna believe, your lying librul media or your humble public service (who happens to have an oil tanker named after here :eyes:).

Fuck - of course 800 is a small number, compared to some other very big number, like say 800,000,000,000,000,000. What a crock of shit. What a shiny buffed turd that rice woman is.

800 flights. Do you suppose they send one victim per flight, or 10? Or 100? Are we talking about 100s or 1,000s of victims? When can The Bush Cabal be arrested for Crimes Against Humanity?

There are enough qualifiers and vague descriptions in her carefully drafted speech, you don't even have to agree that she's a lying sack of shit to realize they are hiding something.

:grr:

Disappear never to be heard of again!!!

In the old days the King would just take you and lock you up!!!

with no trial no due process no habeas corpus

are we back in the Dark Ages again!!!

We have not had one single conviction in open court of a major terrorists since Clinton when the 1993 WTC bombers were convicted.

There is no national security reason for all of this secrecy. If they had a single case that would hold up in court, it would be 24/7 news.

Cost benefit analysis and what-not. Secrecy is expensive, no doubt about it.

they not only have to give people the right to vote, but they also have to give them our system of justice. Without it, you can't have a democracy. There is nothing so secret about terrorists or anyone else that can't be dealt with in the system we already have.

the hell out of their country for this! And maybe help us throw them out of ours as well.

A Nation Once Again!!!

And if you go to one of several "plane spotter" websites, you can see high res pictures of them too. I'd give you the link, but the last time I did that, we crashed one of the guys hard drives.

The planes include:

* Boeing 737-7ET, call sign N313P (Later re-registered as N4476S). The largest of the six planes, with 32 seats, is owned by Premier Executive Transport Services, a CIA front company that also owns N379P. N313P has been frequently seen at U.S. military bases, including in Afghanistan.

* Gulfstream V: call sign N379P (Later re-registered as N8068V and then as N44982): this plane, which has made more than 50 trips to the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, has been nicknamed "The Guantanamo Bay Express". It was also used in the CIA rendition of Ahmed Agiza and Mohammed al-Zari from Sweden to Egypt.

* Gulfstream III: N829MG (Later re-registered as N259SK). This plane took dual Syrian-Canadian national Maher Arar from the United States to Syria where he was detained for 13 months’ without charge, during which time he was tortured. He was finally released in October 2003.

* GulfstreamIV, call sign N85VM (Later re-registered as N227SV), the plane that took Abu Omar to Egypt from Germany after his kidnapping in Italy, turned around and flew to Shannon, arriving on February 18, 2003. The plane's flight log also shows visits to Afghanistan, Morocco, Dubai, Jordan, Italy, Japan, Switzerland, Azerbaijan and the Czech Republic.

<http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGUSA20051205001>