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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:22 AM
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Female Suicide Bombers Kill 27 in Iraq
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 06:32 AM by cal04
Two women strapped with explosives blew themselves up at Baghdad's police academy on Tuesday, killing 27 people and wounding 32, the U.S. military said.

The women blew themselves up in a classroom filled with students, the statement from Task Force Baghdad said. No U.S. forces were killed or wounded in the attack, it said.

U.S. forces rushed to the scene to provide assistant, the statement said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051206/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:25 AM
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1. "Scores"? One score is 20, so I'm unsure how 27 amounts to "scores"
I mean, yes, it's terrible, but what the HELL is wrong with "journalists" today?
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:27 AM
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2. To be fair
What person uses the term scores correctly?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:31 AM
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5. One who can count. You need a multiple of a score (20) to have scores.
Which is totally off topic.

People seem to be surprised that women are turning to suicide bombing. I don't understand why that would be. If a woman watches her family be killed, if she loses her husband, children, parents, brothers and sisters, why would she NOT turn into a fighter against those who murdered her family?
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:42 AM
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7. I am not
Really combination of your reasons and keeping security off balance.
Searches done in NY subway for instance should be completely random and profiling should not be used just based on the patterns in Iraq.
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:52 AM
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12. "why would she not turn into a fighter. .. ?"
Um ... I can think of lots of reasons not to kill innocent people, even if my family was murdered.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:08 AM
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15. The Israelli's found that most suicide bombers
fit the profile of extremely mentally ill people and very sucidal - due to things like their family being killed. Hamas would find these people and talk them into bombing malls and restaurants in Israel. See the jews killed their family members so since they wanted to die anyway, they could take as many jews as they could, with them.

These suicide bombers in iraq likely are not people able to become "fighters". They are most likely, too mentally ill, depressed and suicidal for anything but al-quada using them to blow themselves up.

What I'm saying is, she didn't think right - like you do. She probably shouldn't be judged as someone who could think correctly - if you look at the israelli profile of suicide bombers.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:28 AM
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3. Maybe dyslexic and meant 'scores kills'

Are the insurgents keeping body counts ??
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:31 AM
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4. they changed it
2 minutes ago
Female Suicide Bombers Kill 27 in Iraq
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:03 AM
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9. changed again
now saying it was 2 men.


per CBS radio news

dp
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:27 AM
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8. A score in football is as little as 2 points
1 point if you count an extra point as a score
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:31 AM
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6. Female Suicide Bombers Kill 27 in Iraq
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 06:52 AM by leftchick
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051206/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Two women strapped with explosives blew themselves up at Baghdad's police academy on Tuesday, killing 27 people and wounding 32, the U.S. military said.


The women blew themselves up in a classroom filled with students, the statement from Task Force Baghdad said. No U.S. forces were killed or wounded in the attack, it said.

U.S. forces rushed to the scene to provide assistant, the statement said.

Iraqi police said one bomb exploded in a cafeteria, while the other detonated during roll call. Police Lt. Ali Mi'tab said the women were probably students at the academy, which is why they were not searched.


....relatives of some of those tortured and killed Iraqis by the US?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:42 AM
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10. Update: Twin suicide attack in Baghdad kills at least 36
http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/s1525231.htm

Twin suicide attack in Baghdad kills at least 36

Two female suicide bombers have blown themselves up at a police academy in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, killing 36 people and wounding more than 70 others.

The American military says the women -- each wearing a suicide vest -- walked into a classroom filled with students, before detonating the explosives.

Iraqi police say the women were probably students at the academy, which is why they were not searched.

The attack, which comes nine days before Iraq holds parliamentary elections, is the deadliest against Iraqi forces since February.


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:46 AM
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11. THEY WERE NOT WOMEN Its BULLSHIT disinformation
Here is the AP link they the Local Quislings retracted the WOMEN SUICIDE BOMBERS BIT.

The US press are idiots

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=INTERNATIONAL


The suicide attackers were wearing explosives-laden vests and a U.S. contractor was among those wounded, a U.S. military statement said. U.S. forces rushed to the scene to provide assistance, the statement said. The military initially said the bombers were women but later retracted the statement.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:58 AM
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13. It could be that the bombers were dressing as women...
They would find every way to help them get close to the intended targets.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:00 AM
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14. Maybe--All's Fair in Gorilla (sic) War
Some times its spelled Guerrilla

But in memory of King Kong ---- Gorilla is more fitting
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:28 PM
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18. Or maybe just a simple error
It's not uncommon for breaking news reports to contain information that later turns out to be inaccurate.

These nasty civilian-killing insurgents are ruining everything for the good patriotic insurgents who only want the evil USA out of their country.
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:13 AM
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16. Degenerate savages /nt
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:29 PM
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17. count is up to 43
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:27 AM
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19. kick
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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20. AP: Baghdad Police Academy Attacked; 43 Dead
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 04:22 PM by Hissyspit
Just another day in Baghdad. Can you imagine if an attack like this occurred in in the U.S.? There would be an amazing outcry and it would be on the news endlessly...

Remember the female suicide bomber scene in "Apocalypse Now"? Vietnam. Vietnam. Vietnam.


http://start.earthlink.net/article/int?guid=20051206/43951ad0_3421_13345200512061223629159

Baghdad Police Academy Attacked; 43 Dead

By SAMEER N. YACOUB (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
December 06, 2005 3:13 PM EST
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Two suicide bombers detonated explosives inside Baghdad's main police academy Tuesday, killing at least 43 people and wounding more than 70, police said. Al-Qaida in Iraq claimed responsibility for the attack, the capital's deadliest in months.

The bombing came as Al-Jazeera aired an insurgent video claiming to have kidnapped a U.S. security consultant - the seventh Westerner abducted in Iraq since Nov. 26 - and the U.S. military reported another American soldier killed in a roadside bombing in Baghdad.

The assault on the police academy was carefully planned to maximize casualties, all of whom were police officers or cadets. The first bomber struck near a group of students outside a classroom, a U.S. military statement said. Thinking they were under mortar fire, survivors rushed to a bunker "where the second bomber detonated his vest," the statement added. One of the wounded was an American contractor.

MORE
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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21. Not planting those "happy Iraq" fake news stories fast enough
I see...
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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30. This one would read: Suicide Bomber killed in Baghdad.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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22. LBN? I thought I saw this story yesterday
and last week and the week before that.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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23. Another crappy day in paradise..............
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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24. I hear that the police forces are actually a bigger issue re: Iraq
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 04:39 PM by Hissyspit
readiness to take over, than the army.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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25. Now, don't get me wrong, but I don't get this thing:
Why are these psychopaths killing Iraqi policemen? If they targeted us, I would understand why they feel compelled to do so, but they are killing their own. This could not be a Sunni/Shia thing. I don't believe these are foreigners that hate Iraqis. This is pure terror. Can anybody explain to me what they are thinking, what they want to achieve?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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26. because Iraq is already in a civil war
the insurgents view the US-sponsored Iraqi police forces as collaborators and as just another shiite militia. You say "this could not be a Sunni/Shia thing", why would you think that?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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32. Just expressing disbelief. After all, they cannot know that all
policemen/applicants will be this or that, can they?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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40. Sure they can. This attack was carried out by their own infiltrators.
And I don't think they care if all of the policemen are shiite. They undoubtedly let it be known within the sunni community that participation in any form with the occupation is forbidden, and that in particular participation with any of the various military or quasi military units risks execution. If you approach Iraq from the bullshit mindset of 'we liberated them from the evil saddam why can't they just be friends' you cannot understand what is going on. If instead you understand that we are viewed by the sunnis as an occupation army of foreign heathens that has put their hated rivals the shiites into power, and viewed by the shiites as an occupying army of foreign heathens that they can use to triumph over their hated sunni rivals, then what is happening makes a lot of sense.

Iraq no longer exists as a nation. Perhaps, like yugoslavia, it only really existed because of the brute force of a single leader, and once that leader was gone, once we decided to topple saddam, Iraq disintegrated into its composite sunni, shiite, and kurdish regions. Our mission has failed, it never could succeed, and at this point we are marking time, killing scores of iraqis, wasting the lives of our own, and draining our treasury, until there is enough political will in Washington to admit defeat and withdraw.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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27. As in ALL insurgencies: Death to collaborators!
To fight an effective insurgency against an occupying power, you have to make collaboration very dangerous--fatal even. That's what they are doing. Surely you understand that?????

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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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31. Yes, but it almost seems like they prefer killing their own, judging
by the number of attacks and dead. I know, it's much easier to attack Iraqis than Americans (who have guns), but it's still humanely incomprehensible to me that they would kill their own. Call me naive but I can't imagine blowing up my own, even if they are "collaborants". It's just too much, too much civilian death.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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36. They go for soft targets.
That is the smart thing to do. The insurgents have a lot less resources than the occupiers and the collaboration forces. The insurgency would fail quickly if they went after hard targets like the US military too often.

The problem with soft targets is that there is a lot of collateral damage. You just don't know who will be around when the bomb goes off.

If you can't imagine blowing up "your own", you'd never be a resistance fighter. Anyone who sides with the occupier has to be considered an enemy.

And, yes, if the occupation army left there would be less violence briefly. But, once the civil war kicks into high gear it will get worse. Right now the insurgents are fighting the occupation. After that ends, the main power blocs will face off in an even bloodier mess. That was inevitable the moment Busholini destabilized the country.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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39. I heard on NPR a retired General Oden (sp?) who
said that Al Quaeda has a foothold in Iraq only for as long as we are there. Saddam hated the psychos. I have a small hope that when we pull out, which we will, the Iraqis will turn against a new common enemy - Al Quaeda, which could actually prevent a civil war. It would be war alright, except hopefully against the bad guys, not against each other. Maybe, with both Sunni and Shia fighting Al Qaeda, they will not turn on each other, there will be no ethnic cleansing and no genocide. It is a small hope I have.

I hate * for this, and I call myself a Christian. I am working on it though.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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33. That would mean that
once we are out, there are no more collaborators, therefore, violence should diminish, right? What am I missing?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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28. Civil war + occupation tend to foment underground terrorist tactics.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 04:30 PM by Hissyspit
Remember the French in Algeria? Innocent bystanders are not seen as innocent, so are fair game. The bombers see themselves as partisan defenders. It is extreme sociopathic-type behavior, but so can you describe the actions of our administration.
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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29. Just more of those last throes
being worked out. Can't you see the light at the end of the tunnel? SG

:sarcasm:
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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34. Man, with all this backwards progress the US may never leave.
I think "al-Zarqawi in Iraq" was there personally to supervise his "Al-Qaida in Iraq" soldiers.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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35. We're making progress, staying the course, and...
the insurgency is in its last throes!
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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37. Are we doing any positive thing in Iraq? Do we provide any security?
WTF? If we can't provide security with all the equipment and technology we have and all the protective gear, how in the hell do we expect the Iraqis provide for their security?
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Rodger Dodger Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:28 AM
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38. Ready to fight? They can't even secure their own training area
This is absolute madness. We must do what the General/Represent ive suggest...RE-DEPLOY OUR TROOPS to Kuwait and Guam,over a period of six months. That's not a cut and run strategy: it's an exit strategy.

Let them have their civil war: and may the best tribe win. It may end up three or four states or nations. Do we really care after the way treat their own people.

I end with a quote from Forrest Gump "stupid is what stupid does."
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