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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:30 PM
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Warmth for poor (New York City) consumers (Courtesy Hugo Chavez)
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/372198p-316488c.html

Low-cost heating oil is about to start flowing to the South Bronx under Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's fuel-for-the-poor program.

Three Bronx groups will announce today an agreement with Citgo, the U.S. subsidiary of Venezuela's national oil company, to receive heating oil shipments this winter at 40% below wholesale price.

<snip>

"We anticipate a savings of between $300,000 and $400,000 in our fuel costs for the winter," Belle said. "From a practical standpoint, it's a great program."

<snip>

And that leads us to the big question: If Chavez and Citgo can forgo a small portion of Venezuela's windfall oil profits to make life a little easier for America's poor, what are our own oil companies and our leaders in Washington doing?


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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:33 PM
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1. Say it agasin "If Chavez and Citgo can forgo a small portion of Venezuela'
Windfall oil profits to make life a little easier for America's poor, what are our own oil companies and our leaders in Washington doing?"

WELL?
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:36 PM
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3. Nothing
Chavez is simply a better person than any American leader, on either side - especially when you consider that there are people starving in Venezuela and they could have used the "Windfall Oil Profits" more than the other oil companies.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:24 PM
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13. Do you have a link to any article on Venezuela's poor and food?
I do:
VENEZUELA: Nutritious food a ‘basic human right’

Owen Richards

We’re crammed into a small kitchen, maybe three by four metres, with blue concrete walls. Lining the walls are shelves stocked with kitchen basics — string bags of potatoes, garlic cloves, carrots, pumpkins and melons. There’s a bucket of chopped onions. A giant stainless steel pot waits empty on the gas stove. Four women and a man, in matching red aprons, hand-roll fish cakes and banana balls. A tiny wall fan hums in the background.

It could be a kitchen anywhere, but it’s quite different. The members of the Caracas section of the Australia-Venezuela Solidarity Brigade are here in Guaicaipuro Casa de Alimentaciones on July 29, witnessing firsthand one of the social achievements of the Bolivarian revolution. It is here in this modest house that 150 people come daily to receive two free meals.

There are some 4000 of these kitchens now across Venezuela. They are only possible because of the revolutionary will of the Venezuelan people and the assistance provided by the government of President Hugo Chavez.

Established to guarantee access to nutritious food — particularly for pregnant women, children, the over-60s and the extreme poor — the casas are nonetheless open to all.

They will not accept any money for the food, not even a donation. In fact, they have been instructed by the government to feed everyone who visits, even if they be from rich First World countries. And that is how we came to be eating delicious fishcakes, banana balls and rice complimented by endless arepas and fruit juices. The point of feeding tourists and fact-finders, they tell us, is to show the world that their food is both tasty and nutritious.
(snip/...)
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/639/639p12b.htm

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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:00 PM
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28. Yep, I do
Chavez is making great progress - the Poverty rate this year is expected to drop from 47% to 35%

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1785

but 35% is still considerably higher than the US rate of 12-13%

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104520.html
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:24 AM
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49. At least Venezuela is moving in the right direction, while US goes in othe
direction with poverty increasing.
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capitalistdemocrat Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 02:46 PM
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58. Ol’ Hugo is playing 'em like a fiddle
Venezuela is on its way to becoming a basket case. It looks like he has studied the Mugabe playbook very well.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 03:30 AM
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59. Based on what measure? Increasing literacy, health care, employment?
Yeah. He's really ruining Venezuela...for the oligarchs and for inequality.
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capitalistdemocrat Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:48 AM
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61. Based on his emulation of Rober Mugabe’s modus operandi.
If you want to see what the future holds for Venezuela, just have a look at what has happened in Zimbabwe.

Hugo Chavez is an overbearing, corrupt and tyrannical dictator--Nothing more, nothing less.

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:39 AM
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62. Just because it's so easy to say doesn't make it true.
Precisely what has Chavez done that you don't like?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:33 PM
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22. Tell me about starving people in Venezuela when no one is starving in the
USA. When Chavez is building to make sure that every person in Venezuela has a house I do not see the USA as standing on any moral high ground.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:57 PM
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27. What I am saying is that the average Venezuelan is much worse off
Than the average American, that the US is taking charity from Venezuela right now speaks highly of Chavez but it is also like accepting food aid from Ethiopia. Don't even try to pretend, even for a moment, that the US is worse off than Venezuela.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:07 PM
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30. More information on Venezuela's food program:
Venezuela Food Program
by Roberto Jorquera
July 12, 2005

Green Left Weekly Printer Friendly Version

On June 26, Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez hosted his weekly TV show from the city of Coro, about six hours west of Caracas on the Caribbean coast. The 226th episode of Hello President was dedicated to the launching of a new food market and "food houses", both state-run centres that provide discounted basic foodstuff.

During the program, Chavez said that the aim was to provide for more than 15 million citizens, or about 60% of the population. Mercal is a food distribution network that currently distributes over 4 million tons of food every day and employs over 47,000 people. His announced increase in the number of shops will be funded by the profits that Citgo, an affiliate of the oil industry body PDVSA, made in the US market during the first quarter of 2005.

As the central leader of the Bolivarian revolution, which is changing the face of Venezuela, Chavez has become a hero to Venezuela's poor majority, and a devil to the wealthy oligarchy that has traditionally dominated the country's parliament.

During the December 2002-January 2003 oil industry sabotage and lockout of workers, the local community joined with sections of the military and national government to provide a network of food distribution to counter the shortages caused by the lockout. This system was later organised into the Mercado de Alimentos (Mercal) food market in April 2003. At that time three shops were launched. Now, there are 14,185 such shops throughout the country.
(snip)

The shortage of food has been part of the ongoing problem of agricultural land ownership in Venezuela. It is estimated that 75% of the land is owned by 5% of the population. Much of this is either used for export food production and the rest is not being used at all. During the big oil boom of the early 1970s, the Venezuelan government and large industry simply relied on importing food using the oil revenues and so there was never any plan for domestic food production.
(snip/...)
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=8284

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Considering you're a progressive person, it's unusual to hear you aren't aware of the changing picture in food distribution in Venzuela. The information is surely available.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. The BushBots are working as quickly as possible to make
the average US citizen worse off than the average Venezuelan.
The average Venezuelans condition is improving and Chavez is working to make it better. The Average American's condition is getting worse and the radical right is working to make it worse.
The point is who is going in the correct direction? HINT is is NOT US.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:21 PM
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34. But to pretend that Americans are somehow victims
is rediculous - Americans elected the current government (even if Bush stole both - there is the congress and every US government for the last half century) The US is one of the reasons there is so much poverty is South America - and I don't just mean Bush, every government going back to (at least) Teddy Roosevelt has been complicit in the exploitation of South America. That Chavez is offering aid is a great act of humanitarianism and charity, but don't even pretend the US is worse off than latin America - it's not only arrogant and selfish but it shows an ignorance of the situation, an ignorance of the world and an ignorance of US history,
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:41 PM
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36.  pretend the US is worse off than latin America You are the only one
I heard that from. What argument are you trying to make? Or do you just want to call names? FASCISM is the problem. NAFTA CAFTA and all so called "FREE TRADE" agreements that are nothing but power and resource grabs by the monied interests at the expense of the local people.

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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:38 PM
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39. You are the one who said
"Tell me about starving people in Venezuela when no one is starving in the USA." Yet, essentially, Venezuelans - with a 35% poverty rate - are donating money to Americans - and your attitude seems to be that Americans are entitled to it, that it's only fair.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:55 PM
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44. You keep putting words in my mouth. I stated this by saying
Where are the other oil companies? I applaud Chavez and denounce aWoL and his greedy crones. You say I believe we are entitled? The money forgone by Venezuelan oil profits might be better used by spending them on local issues but that is Their decision. They chose to help the US poor. What is your problem with that decision? I never said the US deserved anything. IF you have a point make it. Don't bother putting words in my mouth.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:50 AM
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53. "They chose to help the US poor."
Venezuela helps the US poor, but not at the expense of the Venezuelan poor. Programs to help the poor in V. are in place and working, causing poverty there to drop at an impressive rate. And then they still have resources to spend on poor folks elsewhere.

Goes to show just how much wealth there is to go around, if most of it isn't confiscated by the rich and powerful.

People wonder how poor Cuba manages to provide the essentials of living (food, housing, health-care, education etc) to everyone there, mostly for free. And though the food is boring and housing is minimalistic, Cuban education and in particular health-care is amongst the very best in the world. How does Cuba manage it? It's simply a matter of priorities of how to spend the riches of the nation; spend it on the supply-side (while claiming it will "trickle down" - which it doesn't), or spend it on the population.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:15 AM
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55. One thing people seem to forget...
Is that the Venezuelan people don't really need this heating oil at all, its a different climate than here, they don't have the bitter winters that can kill like we do. So this act of charity is not only a boon for the poor here in the US, but done without victimizing or placing a burden on the poor in Venezuela, a win-win situation.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:28 AM
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51. As I said above, they're moving in the right direction. We're moving in th
wrong direction.

We're better off today. But we're the ones with 'banana republic' up ahead, while Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil and others have it in their rear-view mirrors.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:26 AM
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50. We're getting oil aid from a country with oil.
And the country we're getting it from is reducing poverty, increasing literacy, reducing hunger, growing their economy.

Who else are we going to get oil from?

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:22 AM
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48. The right wing likes to turn working class against working class
The poor in NY are in solidarity with the poor in Venezuela. Why try to turn them against each other?
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:43 AM
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63. We don't have any oil companies, Their offices are overseas so they pay no
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 09:44 AM by Toots
taxes. They are International Companies not American Companies. They may have started out as American Companies but no more. They can't be paying their fair share no way it is not Republican to do so....
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:35 PM
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2. Wow! Can we INsource universal health care coverage too?
I'm serious. Free market and all that jazz...

How do we set up some system w/Canada or somebody where we can subscribe to their universal healthcare system here in the USA where our own gov't won't help us?

Way to go Senor Chavez, I tip my hat to you.

Win-win
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:39 PM
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5. Our health care system would require
A huge tax hike in the US - in Canada we sacrafice many other things (such as a space program, the military budget etc) to pay for health care and the taxes here are still higher than in the states. With the debt load the US is carrying I, in all seriousness, don't think you could afford it. Not unless taxes were raised (say 10-20%) and the military budget was literally cut to 0.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:46 PM
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8. It's just a dream anyway....but I would gladly give up those things
AND pay higher taxes if all my fellow citizens (& I) could have universal access to healthcare.
Guess that's why I'm a progressive Democrat.

It really sickens me to realize that we will probably not have healthcare for all citizens of this "great" country for at least my entire lifetime.

This is all off-topic, but the Chavez solution had me "thinking outside the box". :think:
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:54 PM
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9. I understand
I moved myself and my family to Canada after Bush was elected the first time (Even the Dems are usually too conservative for me - In Canada the Conservatives have more in common with Democrats than they do with Republicans.) The problem is that Universal Health Care here happened when it was still relatively inexpensive - before health care went hi tech. Even in Canada we're having a hard time keeping up with the rising cost of health care, but because the system was started so long ago, and is so deeply ingrained in the culture, support for it is high and progress can be made incrementally. To start such a system now, from scratch, would be more expensive than you'd believe.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:02 PM
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10. In reality, I'm actually for a single-payer system to start, like Congress
One national system that everyone could buy into, that is portable to the individual, is not attached to employment and accepts pre-existing conditions. A pool would be created to provide funding for those who cannot afford the premiums.

This is what our own Congress has.

It would be the first step to providing at least universal access to some sort of health coverage.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:11 PM
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12. Well I certainly wish you luck
Clinton couldn't even get the support of Democrats for national health care - even with the convoluted insurance company based thing he came up with. It would actually be much better for Canada if the US had health coverage.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:41 PM
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16. sigh....well, I'll keep slogging away! So many goals, so few lifetimes...
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:39 PM
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15. You may be right about the expense
but if I recall correctly, the USA has the single most expensive healthcare system per person that that of any other industrialized nation.

Maybe we could afford some baseline of care, or a single payer system to help reduce the costs somewhat whithout having the unmangeable system that we currently have.
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saddemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:34 PM
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24. actually...
don't know if anyone will read this since it is so high up on the thread...

We paid the same amount of taxes when we lived in germany and we had the option of choosing either private insurance or the universal insurance. My dh had private, I had govt. I received excellent care, had same day appointments, had a successful delivery of my oldest son and free prescriptions during pregnancy...and our children would have had free meds/dental care until they were 19.

Also..for the same money that we pay here, our children could have gone to university for free.

It's all about WHAT you do with the money that you're already taking.

To top it off, salaries were much higher. I had a menial job back then and I earned nearly 3 times what I would have earned here....after taxes, I still made more.

Don't fool yourself.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:17 PM
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33. Actually, it would cost the U.S. less to institute universal health care
"The statistics paint a starkly different picture. In 1971, the year that all ten provinces adopted universal hospital and medical insurance programs, Canadian health care costs consumed 7.4 percent of national income in Canada, compared to 7.6 percent in the United States. In the thirty years since, however, Americans' health care expenditures as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) have nearly doubled - to 14 percent - while Canadians' have remained relatively stable, increasing only to about 9 percent. And despite its high cost, the U.S. system fails to insure more than 44 million of its citizens. Some analysts predict that figure will grow to 60 million by 2008."

Link to a good article about our health care from an American perspective:

http://www.newrules.org/journal/nrwin01health.html

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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:27 PM
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35. I understand that
I immigrated to Canada from the US, and I fought for a single payer health care plan as a Democrat when clinton was pushing his subsidy of Insurance companies disguised as a health care plan. But, the costs of actually getting such a program started would be huge in the US - I'm not so much talking about year over year spending as the actual funds to get it started, and with people in the US generally anti-tax, and with the massive debt load the US is carrying (a debt that is vastly underestimated at the moment) and with the Baby boomers all about to retire (which will send the cost of health care through the roof - I don't see how the US will afford it, nor how it is politically possible.

I came to the realization long ago that the US government does not, never has, and never will share my views on the world - and I left.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:05 AM
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47. Another refugee!
Howdy, pbca! When'd you come in? The missus and I moved down here to Nova Scotia in 1990. :hi:
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:26 PM
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38. Certainly--how about from Cuba?
They send doctors all over the world to assist nations in need! Maybe some state could just go ahead and work up a program... then watch the excrement hit the ventilation system when they're refused visas.

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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. Cuba offered to send 100 doctors
and 3 plane loads of medical supplies to assist in New Orleans (before the National Guard even arrived) - they were refused.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 11:58 PM
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45. Actually, it was 1100 (!) doctors!
That's where I got the idea.

VIVA FIDEL! :applause:
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #40
57. Cuba has thousands of doctors in Pakistan
to help w/ the earthquake aftermath.

Those doctors took a lifetime oath to never practice medicine for profit.

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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:38 PM
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4. Donning the tinfoil hat for a moment... think the Venezuelan oil pipeline
being bombed with C4 has anything to do with Chavez giving out cheap oil?
:tinfoilhat:
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:41 PM
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6. I think it may have to do with the administration's
hatred for Chavez in general, probably not with the oil for the poor program specifically though. My guess is it was done by Chavez enemies inside Venezuela (probably funded by you though.)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:43 PM
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7. Bravo Hugo
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:09 PM
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11. Heard an interview with Joe Kennedy up in Mass. yesterday
on the Current (CBC).. He is head of a group that is distributing the oil to those who need it in Mass. He has a permanent entity in place and it's being used to do the Citgo distribution. He was totally scathing in his comments about Bushco. The interviewer brought up the refusal of Congress to do anything about the situation...couldn't believe it.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:30 PM
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14. Love the Current
I have friends on that show. =)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:31 PM
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21. He is right. Congress voted down the amendment for funding for the poor.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:01 AM
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46. Yes--SHAMEFUL!!!!
It took Venezuela to provide relief to the poor in the wealthiest country in human history. And if Chimpy thinks the rest of the world doesn't notice that...

If the Dems weren't so damned DUMB, they'd be all over this one. :dunce:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:38 PM
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25. thanks.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:47 PM
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17. Nohting!.. That is not how we operate.
This countrys' oil companies are about greed and more greed. They could give 2 shits about helping the poor. They believe the poor is poor because of their own fault. Same with our Regressive govt.

Long Live Chavez!!!!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:13 PM
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18. Venezuela Adds New York to Citgo Discount Program
Venezuela Adds New York to Citgo Discount Program (Update1)
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez added New York City to his program of selling discounted heating oil to low-income Americans, begun in Boston last month.

Citgo Petroleum Corp., the U.S. refining unit of state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA, will sell 8 million gallons of heating fuel in New York with discounts of up to 40 percent.

``Some have tried to read politics into these outreach programs but they should not do so,'' Venezuelan Ambassador to the U.S. Bernardo Alvarez said during signing ceremonies. ``This is a humanitarian gesture on the part of the Venezuelan people to our neighbors in need.''

Citgo's fuel oil discount program has entered Chavez into the debate in Washington over what oil companies and the government should do to help consumers hurt by increases in energy prices. Some lawmakers have said oil companies should use their record profits to help fund home heating aid.
(snip/...)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000086&sid=anom6g01glkw&refer=latin_america
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:27 PM
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19. Go Chavez!
:applause:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:30 PM
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20. I believe the Congree refused to increase funds for heating assistance
before they adjourned before T/G.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:40 PM
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26. you are right
meanwhile heating costs here in the northeast are going up between $300 - 600/ave this heating season.

our congress would force low-income people to choose between food and heat. Oil companies are making record profits for the fatcat executives.

Chavez has his priorities straight, and it is a deserved embarassment to our government that another country is more willing to help OUR people heat their homes this winter.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:34 PM
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23. nominated
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:02 PM
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29. Okay, screw canada, lets go to venezula when the rw-nazis
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 04:03 PM by superconnected
pass patriot act V. (arresting all "anti-american" citizens who have ever voted blue, have immigrants from the 1900's in their family tree, or befriended a gay person before they were taken away and executed with patriot act IV.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:11 PM
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32. Socialism in action -- living proof of its superiority over capitalism.
And a wonderful lesson for American workers and poor -- one that could easily mobilize support for resurrection of the New Deal.
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ROakes1019 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:44 PM
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41. socialism
I have for a long time thought socialism isn't as bad as people make out. It's hard to openly support any kind of socialism here because people immediately accuse you of being a communist. Did you see the people here at DU who objected to the socialists' participation in the Amy Goodman-Cindy Sheehan stop-the-war rally back in the fall? I know I have nothing for free-market capitalism and if the obverse is socialism then I think it would be much more compassionate. Just agreeing with you.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:49 PM
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37. New York Times names Democratic Rep. Serrano as instrumental
in getting this great agreement for the Bronx:
Venezuela to Help Bronx Residents With Heating Oil Bills

By MANNY FERNANDEZ and JUAN FORERO
Published: December 6, 2005
About all that Belkis Bejaran had ever heard about the firebrand leader of faraway Venezuela was that the combative populist often hurled verbal insults at President Bush.

Then this week, with a sort of bemused gratitude, she heard that Hugo Chávez's government, which sits on the Western Hemisphere's biggest oil supply, would provide cheap heating fuel to her landlord, reducing her monthly rent this winter by more than $100.

"I find it weird, because he's always talking about the administration," said Ms. Bejaran, 38. "Then, all of a sudden I heard he was going to provide oil for the South Bronx. I was surprised."

In a gesture combining generosity and high theater, officials from an American subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company announced today from a chilly corner of Mount Hope that they would sell heating oil at a 40 percent discount to 75 apartment buildings in the Bronx, benefiting 8,000 low-income residents in what is shaping up to be a cold, fuel-guzzling winter.

In a deal brokered by Mr. Chávez and Representative Jose E. Serrano, a Bronx Democrat, Citgo, a subsidiary of Petroleos de Venezuela, will in the coming weeks provide 8 million gallons of fuel to properties owned by three Bronx nonprofit housing corporations, the Mount Hope Housing Company, the Fordham Bedford Housing Corporation and VIP Community Services. As officials huddled together to keep warm, the first 500 gallons were pumped from a green Citgo truck into a valve on the sidewalk outside a 56-unit building at East 176th Street and Townsend Avenue operated by Mount Hope.
(snip/...)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/06/nyregion/06cnd-heat.html



Democratic New York Rep. Jose Serrano.
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:17 PM
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42. Article on the history of the Windfall Profit Tax - link

Historical Perspective: The Windfall Profit Tax -- Career of a Concept

by Joseph J. Thorndike
Date: Nov. 10, 2005

-snip-

... Ultimately, however, it fell to President Jimmy Carter to make the bargain stick. In April 1979 he introduced plans to lift price controls gradually over the subsequent 18-month period. In tandem, he offered a new tax on oil production. "Unless we tax the oil companies, they will reap huge and undeserved windfall profits," Carter declared in a nationwide address. Americans had a right to recapture some of that windfall and put it to good use. Carter suggested that the revenue be earmarked for mass transit, oil price relief for poor families, and the development of alternative energy sources.

-snip-

In August 1988 Congress agreed to repeal the tax. Few mourned its passing. "Time for the windfall tax to fall," declared its erstwhile champions at The New York Times. Events had overtaken the levy, as so often happens with narrow taxes designed to deal with transient phenomena. Did oil companies deserve to keep their windfall profits? "It was a resentful question when Americans waited two hours in gasoline lines and Saudi princes summered in Monaco," the Times recalled. "It seems almost quaint now."

http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/cf7c9c870b600b9585256df80075b9dd/edf8de04e58e4b14852570ba0048848b?OpenDocument




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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:22 PM
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43. So, what is Hillary Clinton saying publically about this? nt
:bounce:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:54 AM
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54. DLC probably told her not to associate herself with socialism. nt
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:47 AM
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52. nice move chavez
:toast::applause:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 02:12 PM
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56. Congressman Serrano says WH and Repukes should be ashamed
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/372230p-316616c.html

<snip>

"Some have tried to read politics into these outreach programs, but they should not do so," said Venezuelan Ambassador Bernardo Alvarez yesterday under a banner reading "From the Venezuelan Heart to the US Hearths."

"This is a humanitarian gesture on the part of the Venezuelan people to our neighbors in need."

Serrano (D-Bronx), however, ripped the White House and the GOP for making his constituents turn to a foreign government for heating relief at a time when U.S. oil conglomerates are raking in the biggest profits in corporate history.

"Not only should American oil companies be ashamed this winter for failing to help low-income Americans with their record-high heating bills, but the Republican-led Congress and the Bush administration should be too," Serrano said.

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 03:31 AM
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60. He said that those who accuse Venezuela of trying to score political point
are also welcome to try to score political points with the voters in his district.
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