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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:44 PM
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GOP Blasts Howard Dean For Comparing Iraq To Vietnam

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GOP Blasts Howard Dean For Comparing Iraq To Vietnam


WASHINGTON -- The chairman of the Democratic Party is drawing Republican fire for comparing the war in Iraq to Vietnam.

Howard Dean told a Texas radio audience on Monday, "The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong."

Dean's comments on WOAI in San Antonio were called "outrageous" by his Republican counterpart. Ken Mehlman said Dean's prediction "sends the wrong message to our troops, the enemy, and the Iraqi people."
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oregonindy Donating Member (790 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:48 PM
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1. Love those Neo-cons
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:50 PM
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2. Great toon!
:)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:51 PM
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3. THANK YOU DR. DEAN
For putting this issue smack in the limelight and forcing them to defend their bankrupt position.

Let them scream, let them whine. The more that Iraq and Vietnam appear in the same senetence, the better. The more that Iraq and unwinnable are coupled, even better.

Thank you Dr. Dean for speaking the hard truth.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:51 PM
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4. That's cool, the doc can handle the body blows, and it IS like Vietnam.
Another bullshit, started on a lie, unwinnable, moving death carnival.

If the war fits.....
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:32 PM
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10. What do you use as a starting line for the US war in Vietnam?
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 02:36 PM by HereSince1628
Certainly, the Gulf of Tonkin resolution enabled a huge escalation of our combat forces, but we were screwing with their politics and involved with their military for a long time before that.

Indeed, one could argue that our destroyers were in the Gulf of Tonkin as a consequence of those involvements just so we could get in deeper
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:53 PM
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12. Absolutely true. In reality, I see it as a proxy war back to Eisenhower.
This history is lost on most today, so I don't argue the point that vociferously. I direct most of my comments to the escalation, but privately I understand that LBJ was already in an untenable situation created by his predecessors, but I don't let him off the hook for allowing it to continue.

Sometimes people need to stand up and call bullshit on a situation, no matter how long that situation has existed and been accepted.

Yes, we definitely started that bloodbath back in the 50s and way too many let it go on and on and on...

I'm hoping we aren't leaping onto helicopters off of embassy roofs 25 yrs from now.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:42 PM
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16. Starting line for U.S. war in Vietnam is probably 1945
when U.S. enabled the French to re-assert colonial control of Vietnam, as price of securing DeGaulle's acquiesence on security arrangements in Europe.

The irony is that just a couple months before this, Ho Chi Minh had actually quoted the U.S. Declaration of Independence during his triumphal entry into Hanoi.

The irony, the irony (with apologies to Joseph Conrad)
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:56 PM
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5. Dean needs to keep it up to smoke these idiots out
With someone like Dean, they become their own worst enemies.

Too bad Kerry didn't have the smarts or the chutzpa to play it like that.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:05 PM
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6. The GOP has lost the standing to "blast" anyone.
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 02:05 PM by stopbush
These headlines are amusing. "Mouse farts during hurricane" might sum it up better.
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Tamarin Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:09 PM
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7. Mehlman and the GOP need some new material....Yawn.
Dr. Dean is a breath of fresh air.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:10 PM
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8. Dean's comments "outrageous?" What's outrageous: starting a war on false
pretenses, bankrupting the country while making BushCo corporatists richer than ever, turning the world against us, throwing out environmental laws...

We need to scream this out whenever * and his people throw out their "outrageous, reprehensible and baseless" comments.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:16 PM
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9. Keep hitting em where it hurts Dr. Dean - right in their integrity
(or lack thereof!) :bounce:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:48 PM
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11. WAAAAAHHH!!! The Democrats are telling the truth again, Mommy!
Fuck. The Republicans remind me of the little snotnosed kid at school that used to tattle on the others.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:14 PM
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13. Fuck the GOP if they can't handle the facts. . .or the truth.
:kick:
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:17 PM
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14. Iraqnam
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 04:00 PM by joefree1
One, two, three ... what are we fighting for?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:34 PM
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15. It's not like Vietnam, Mr. Mehlman?
So tell us, sir, from your personal experience with war, just how and in what ways it differs? Because to a war-hating pacifist schlub like me, they sure do look a lot alike. But if everything's going so swimmingly in Iraq, surely you are out on the stump, exhorting Republican crowds of young people to sign up and fight for freedom in Iraq, right?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:26 PM
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18. and sending your own kids to Iraq to fight instead of the poor & jobless
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:07 PM
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17. Iraq Worse than Vietnam in Number of Journalists Killed
Iraq Worse than Vietnam - In Number of Journalists Killed
Editor & Publisher

Sunday 28 August 2005

Paris - More journalists have been killed in Iraq since the war began in March 2003 than during the 20 years of conflict in Vietnam, media rights group Reporters Without Borders (RSF) said on Sunday.

Since U.S. forces and its allies launched their campaign in Iraq on March 20, 2003, 66 journalists and their assistants have been killed, RSF said.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:36 PM
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19. Republicans have a hard time with the truth
hearing it, saying it, reading it.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:40 PM
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20. Hmmmmm......let's see.......
No just cause to start war - check.
War not the last resort - check.
Can't tell the good guys from the bad guys - check.
Bombing to defeat a guerrilla army - check.
Failing to win "hearts and minds" - check.
Host nation military not pulling its weight - check.
US troops coming back in boxes on a regular basis - check.
Cowardly politicians with no military service in full support - check.
Profiteering corporation raking in billions of taxpayer money - check.
Poor & middle class kids fighting the war - check.
Military morale low and getting lower all the time - check.

Nosiree. Not a bit like Vietnam.
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