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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:36 PM
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Justice: Padilla Can't Challenge Detention
December 9, 2005, 9:06 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- U.S. citizen Jose Padilla's legal challenge to his three-year stay in a military jail without charges should be dismissed because he now stands accused of a crime, the Justice Department told a federal appeals court Friday.

The filing with the 4th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., is an attempt by the administration to avoid a Supreme Court showdown over its controversial policy of detaining U.S. terror suspects indefinitely and without charges.

The government refused to rule out that it could reclassify Padilla in the future as an "enemy combatant," which would again deprive him of most rights granted to criminal defendants.

"In that unlikely event, petitioner would have ample opportunity to challenge any such military custody at that time," the government said in legal papers signed by Solicitor General Paul Clement.

Padilla's lawyers declined to comment Friday, but they have said they want the Supreme Court to rule on the administration's power to detain him indefinitely and without charges, regardless of his current status.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-enemy-combatant,0,3877478.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:43 PM
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1. And doesn't that just
give you faith in the justice system and the ability of the current administration to pirouette?

This is an absolute crock, and an egregious abuse.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:44 PM
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2. Detained "at his Majesty's pleasure"
I thought that America rebelled against England because of tyranny such as this..
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:15 PM
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4. Tea, anyone? n/t
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:52 PM
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3. Kafka couldn't have made this one up.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:56 AM
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5. Nope. Padilla had a right to know the charges and to a speedy trial.
After three years of bullshit PR, the Mofos at Justice finally filed completely different charges. Somebody needs to learn to read the Constitution.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:42 AM
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6. consider this a test case . . . if they can do this to Padilla . . .
Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 02:47 AM by OneBlueSky
they can do it to you and to me . . .

are you a member of a "left wing" organization (as defined by BushCo)? . . .

do you subscribe to left of center (i.e. traiterous) publications? . . .

have you ever signed a petition to save the Artic, to end torture, to reject a Supreme Court nominee, or to impeach Bush? . . .

we could be next . . .

or, if not next, whenever it suits their needs . . .

think that's ridiculous? . . . an impossibility? . . .

then you haven't been paying sufficient attention . . .

on edit: see the following thread and accompanying article . . .

Protest the War:FBI file you as" domestic terrorism and acts of terrorism"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1977435

ACLU: Protesters placed in terror files
http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1312739&secid=1
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 05:12 AM
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7. hmmm
so first, the 'conservative leaning' court denies him his rights, and NOW is going to deny his right to challenge his detention? i'm wondering what the status of the supreme court case is in this, can the scotus simply go ahead anyways? this seems like a pretty important case, i'm not sure they'd want this question unanswered.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:56 AM
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8. THIS is what the networks should be covering
not missing blonds on Aruba, not snow storms, not any other made-up news story.

This is another step towards fascism, and in future years, Americans will genuinely be able to say that they "didn't know," because unless they are news/political junkies, they won't hear of stuff like this.

But they'll know every detail about the missing blond on Aruba and the marital woes of former Friends stars. :grr:

And this is the type of thing DUers should be discussing instead of flaming one another about hot button issues.
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Thom Little Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:38 AM
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9. US says court ruling on Padilla should be set aside
The U.S. government, in an unusual retreat, on Friday urged a federal appeals court to set aside its September ruling that allowed the United States to hold an American citizen as an enemy combatant without being charged.

In a filing to the U.S. Appeals Court in Richmond, the government said since Jose Padilla -- who was held by the U.S. military for over three years as an enemy combatant -- has been indicted by a civilian court in Florida, the case regarding his military custody was moot.

As a result, the government said the court should go ahead and set aside its September 9, 2005, ruling that allowed Padilla to be held without charge. That ruling had been seen as a significant victory for the administration's legal efforts in its war on terrorism.

The government was responding to an order by the appeals court to explain why it used different facts to justify Padilla's military detention from those included in last month's indictment that charged Padilla with conspiracy to murder and aiding terrorists abroad. It said the court should approve the request to transfer Padilla to civilian custody so he can face trial in Florida.



http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=233911
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:38 AM
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10. Our own citizens, on our own soil...this is so wrong nm
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:38 AM
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11. Whether Padilla is guilty or not does not mean he should be denied
his Constitutional Rights. There is no excuse for taking a persons rights without due course. So many Constitutional rights denied in his case.Absolutely Criminal...
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:43 AM
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12. Disgusting abuse of power
This is fascism. Now the government can detain people without needing a reason? It is a sad day in America
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