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dolo amber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:04 AM Original message |
Surveillance Video Shows Alpizar Hours Before Shooting |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. ''after threatening to have a bomb'' |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The "bomb" story is a blatant lie by the FAMS |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. oh -- i'm with you indiana. |
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dolo amber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I actually saw the vid on one of the morning shows |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. I've seen just plain idiots at many airports |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. That's right. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. teach them to knit.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Or maybe I should make em all shirts out of American flags |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. Why didn't the other passengers hear him say he had a bomb? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. He grabbed a women agressively at the airport |
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Milspec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I sw the film this morning |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
77. So they pat down six year olds |
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soda (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
100. a thought |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
4. What on Earth was his wife thinking? She knows he hasn't taken |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. That's my big question |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. how do you know they had any meds?! |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I am sorry,but a bi-polar person shouldn't be flying all over the |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. That doesn't give the Feds the right to execute people that are ill |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Well, obviously they were given the right to shoot anyone if they |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Alpizar was not even on the plane when he was shot several times |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. Thank you. |
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NYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. Maple Street. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-12-05 08:52 AM Response to Reply #73 |
106. To be expected from Serling -- in some senses, a genius. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
69. People decompensate even ON their medication. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
76. What do you know about people with bipolar? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. What if meds were lost, stolen or more likely flushed down the drain? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
97. She was at the airport, on US soil. If her husband was having |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. do you have experience forcing an adult to be medicated? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. If this guy is so severely mental, which he was, then he |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. he was diagnosed over 10 years ago, held a job and normal life, got there |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. Well, gee, better pop a xanax than be shot 6 times. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. exactly, those sick people have no place out and among us! how dare they! |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. So, is it your contention that she did nothing wrong? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. yep, she is as perfect and blamelss as you. in this black and white world |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. you clearly |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Does airport security know he is off his meds and bi-polar? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. You are spouting your opinions without bothering to even READ the stories |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Yea, she did, after he run off the plane, marshals with guns after him. |
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Nashyra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:31 AM Response to Reply #56 |
93. She could have considered a "distraction" |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Distraction, or an accomplice. They are not going to believe |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. clearly your knowledge of mental illness is lacking |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Deleted sub-thread |
Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:07 AM Response to Reply #44 |
95. The alternatives you propose... |
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jwcomer (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
104. Whoe the F are you to say? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. your right Uncle Ray- |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. please, don't |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. The public doesn't know that FAMS has shoot-to-kill orders! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. You Know IG- i was struck by the realization |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Remember when this behavior was at least QUESTIONED? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. indeed i do- |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. The courts acquitted him.... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. yeah- |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Perhaps if she had made the airlines |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. She admits she made him go on the plane, even though he |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. she was speaking |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. The man |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Does anyone have any personal responsibility at all? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. don't be absurd- |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. If airport security locked up everyone who acted |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. are you playing devils advocate? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I don't think they should have shot him. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. sorry, i don't |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
94. You're right of course |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
71. Blaming the victim! Supporting the use of force! Ignoring facts! |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. I agree with you - there are issues of personal responsibility here |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Except that Alpizar was already OFF the plane when he was shot! |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. A bomb detonated in the jetway is potentially just as lethal n/t |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 12:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. And trigger happy FAMS agents are more of a threat to the public! |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. IG, I like you, but sometimes your arguments use inflammatory language |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Peace back to you! |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. We don't know FAMS is lying, but it IS reasonable to be skeptical |
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Nashyra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 10:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
105. There is a way to inform the airlines |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. And what do you propose she should have done? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. Let's pretend she decided no to fly him? What next? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Maybe not |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Oh lordy. When Andrea Yates murdered her kids, how many |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. if you look back |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
78. Completely different situation |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. oh |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. trying to get home is such an awful thing to do for a sick person, right? |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Your post is evidently meant to be inflammatory...what's your problem? |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
64. I hope you never find yourself in a difficult situation. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
5. He was agitated because he thought there was a bomb on board |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. He may have been bipolar, but this looks more like a panic attack |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. That's probably why I'll never fly again. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I hate flying to. I fly medicated with xanax. |
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prolesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
62. You would think someone with a similar condition |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. it screams of self-hatred, doesn't it? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. And your desire must have been to become a shrink. What |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. perhaps i was one and i got fed up with people like you. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Are you Tom Cruise, by any chance? You know, kind of freaky |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Playing the victim now? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 12:48 AM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Well, I happen to think that people who take xanax or other |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. Now, you hysterically demand the sympathy you withold from others... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Maybe you should examine your attitude. I couldn't care less |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. It should have been obvious I was only mocking you..... |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 02:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. Topping from the bottom! When the bullying doesn't work, throw yourself |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
79. Why do you post inflammatory comments on a message board?... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
22. Eyewitnesses refute official story in fatal shooting of passenger at Miami |
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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
25. Maybe their prescriptions should include a bulletproof vest |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
72. Exactly. n/t |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
27. And does a camera show him saying he had a bomb? |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
82. This proves he was wearing the backpack that way in Ecuador |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Except that none of the passengers hear Alpizar say anything about "bomb" |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. And the video does not address the "he said he had a bomb" issue |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
96. Am I suppose to be able to watch the video? |
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