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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:42 PM
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BREAKING: Supreme Court turns down Tookie appeal
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 09:43 PM by EOO
SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court has refused to stay the execution of convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, clearing the way for him to die by injection shortly after midnight.

The high court was the former gang leader's last chance to escape execution following a denial of clemency from California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger earlier Monday and an appellate court panel rejected a request to stay his execution.

Williams, who co-founded the Crips street gang, is scheduled to die at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday (3:01 a.m. ET) at San Quentin State Prison, near San Francisco.

Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson, who met with Williams earlier in the day, criticized Schwarzenegger for deciding not to spare Williams.

Jackson said Williams, who was convicted of killing four people in two 1979 robberies in Los Angeles, had earned clemency and that Schwarzenegger's decision was about "making politicians look tough, but that does not make it right."

Schwarzenegger announced his decision not to commute Williams' sentence to life in prison without parole shortly after a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in San Francisco, rejected an affidavit from the convict's lawyers that suggested someone framed the onetime Los Angeles gang leader.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/12/williams.execution/index.html
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:43 PM
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1. How does one
Pronounce "EOO"?

Just askin'
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:44 PM
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2. Read the first line of my signature.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:47 PM
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11. Oh yes...*Slaps forehead*
I didn't see that the first time...I'm President of the Long-Term Stupid Society though :)
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:50 PM
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16. .
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:45 PM
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3. Would he be getting executed,
if Gray Davis was still governor? Twenty Six years seems like a long time to decide to execute someone.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:46 PM
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6. Most likely, Davis never overturned anyone...
the reason it took 26 years is becuase his legal team took every appeal they could muster and dragged it along as slow as possible.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:47 PM
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10. probably
but if jerry brown was governor NO
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:50 PM
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18. Gray Davis was as bad as bush
when it came to frying prisoners. He never overturned one death sentence in his entire term. Come to think of it he was as bad as bush in a lot of respects, but he was still preferable to ahnuld.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:45 PM
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4. tick tick tick tick tick....
justice is waiting.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:27 AM
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43. Shame on you nt
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:46 PM
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5. How can Schwarzenegger live with himself?
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:47 PM
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9. Id be more interested to know...
how Tookie can live with himself


(though, THAT won't be much longer)
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:50 PM
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17. And I You...
pretty sad and pathetic to be hounding every thread with regards to Tookie in hopes that he'll be smoked. Very weird actually.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:01 PM
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28. I agree
And I'm not really invested in the Tookie matter. That said, there's the hint of the closet throatsticker in Endangered Species posts, and I would go beyond to say it's more than a little weird. Pretty disturbing, actually.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:59 PM
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26. I have to say
I have no dog in this fight. I am utterly indifferent to the whole Tookie matter, and just started reading these threads today. That said, I find your gloating over this monstrous in the extreme, and you seem like a very sad little person to me. Yes, yes, it's all about "justice," I suppose, but the way you relish it is unseemly and a bit pathetic.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:47 PM
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7. I have no feelings of sorrow for tookie
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 09:48 PM by niceypoo
he started a cancer that is eating our inner cities alive. I am against the death penalty but I have no sorrow for this scumbag. He is saving kids from something he started? He should have thought about that before he started Americas gang problem. Give me a break.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:49 PM
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14. *He* started that "cancer"?
I'm asking . . .
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:53 PM
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21. That "Cancer" is called "Crips and Bloods"
The bloods formed as a defensive reaction to the crips. The rest is history.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:59 PM
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27. Okay, I'm a naif on the subject, I'll admit it
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 10:00 PM by Habibi
Can you point me to a good bio/history of Tookie/Crips? I don't like the death penalty, and am inclined to condemn it. But--did Tookie really start the thing? or is what he did--organize the Crips--a defense?

edited to correct fat-fingeredness
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:08 PM
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31. check out the movie on tookie
it's called "redemption". explains things somewhat.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:09 AM
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38. of course not
The idea that any one person is solely responsible for the entire country's gang violence problem is laughable if you give it even a moment's thought.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:25 AM
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46. Started a cancer?
The Crips and Bloods are just another manifestation of gang warfare that has existed in the US from its birth 229 years ago.

We've always had gangs of various nationalities. And just as violent and criminal as the Crips and Bloods.

I've wondered if there is a certain feeling of justice that with the Williams execution is, so to say, cutting off the head of a vicious snake.

Actually it's just lobbing off one head of the many-headed Hydra. There were gangs before Tookie, and as sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, there will be gangs after Tookie takes his last breath.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:53 AM
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50. You are entitled to your feelings
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 02:53 AM by are_we_united_yet
But do you have any idea what you are talking about?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:47 PM
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8. How sad
One of my friends today said she would vote for Schwarzenegger if he ruled for clemency. She hates the guy otherwise.

I wish he had risen to the challenge. He just proved he's nothing but a tool.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:48 PM
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12. Davis, and most Democrat governors
would have done the same thing
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:49 PM
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15. Hard to say
I mean considering the amount of damage that Tookie's gang has caused over the last few decades, I think they might be doing the same thing.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:53 PM
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22. I know Easley (NC governor) has pretty much denied them all
during his term
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:48 PM
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13. I wonder what Tookie is thinking right now?
Did he play this public plea all wrong??? Should he of gotten honest and made a remorseful apology? YES! That would of helped me believe in his claim. Without it, I'm not empathetic. He continues to be who he was then as the Crip-Mastermind.

I see this man was judged by his peers and the law has spoken. I'm okay with this today. His soul needs to move on out of this dimension because he has not changed.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:56 PM
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24. He is thinking this......
"Those books I put out didn't save my ass as I intended them to do" I prefer he be put away for life BUT i will NOT defend this scumbag in any personal way.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:10 AM
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39. this is part of the problem
Unsubstantiated belief in things like immortal souls and "dimensions" makes it a lot easier for us to kill people.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:50 PM
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19. That figures.
No words to convey how disgusted I am.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:51 PM
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20. Culture of life: Well, some life, anyway.... Unless you're black.
If he were an embryo, or a comatose white girl.....
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:54 PM
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23. I posted this question in GD earlier today...
Where are the pro-lifers? They were foaming at the mouth over Terri Schiavo, but over Tookie... buptkiss.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:09 PM
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32. Call it Right to White Life: Same reason we don't have better
orphanages. Many orphans are black. No one adopts them.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:56 PM
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35. No one adopts them???????????????
not once, ever in the history of the universe?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:47 AM
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44. In freeperland, they're asking the mirror-opposite question
which is, why do libs get in high dudgeon over executing a criminal but don't have a problem with abortion?

I guess Lakoff is right, it's all about framing.

Peace.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:33 PM
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36. Being black is a PLUS if you're on death row -
- based on Bureau of Justice stats for 2004:

Of persons executed in 2004:

-- 36 were white
-- 19 were black
-- 3 were Hispanic (all white)
-- 1 Asian

Of persons under sentence of death in 2004:
-- 1,851 were white
-- 1,390 were black
-- 28 were American Indian
-- 32 were Asian
-- 14 were of unknown race.

Looks like all that talk about the death penalty being racist is just talk.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cp.htm
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:12 AM
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40. thanks for standing up for the oppressed
White people everywhere know they have a valuable ally in helping them to rise up from 400 years of oppression. Thanks for being on the side of truth and justice. :eyes:
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:29 AM
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47. Not a matter of standing up for anyone but just noting the -
- facts as shown by the Bureau of Justice.

Factual data is a bad thing now? :shrug:
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:18 AM
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53. no, factual data is great
It's shoddy interpretation of factual data that sucks.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:55 AM
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52. You forgot one BIG part of the statistical picture
"As of July 1, 2003, there were an estimated 38.7 million U.S. residents who were either black or black and at least one other race. This race group then made up 13.3 percent of the total U.S. population." (US Census Bureau Black History Month press release, see http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/003721.html).

The per-capita rate of capital sentence and execution is about THREE TIMES as high for Blacks as for Whites. Don't feel bad -- the Department of Justice ALSO conveniently ignored that figure.

But, is that discrepancy an artifact of Racism? Maybe yes, maybe no; probably both, depending on the part of the "equation" being discussed. I'd prefer to say that it isn't all racism, but to deny racism as a factor is willful blindness. These aren't easy problems to solve by any means. Lots of us are going to be getting a second helping of crow at the supper table of judgement.

--p!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:47 PM
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55. That conclusion doesn't follow from the facts.
If all you're interested in are final numbers, out of a population that's 12-13% black, would we expect about 42% of the death penalties to be issued to blacks?

It's much more complicated than that, and the numerous single-issue/single-factor studies are usually simplistic. There's likely to be some racism involved, but there's also a far higher murder rate among the black population overall. If all the various sociologists and criminologists can't do a reasoned and dispassionate analysis, then I certainly can't sort it out--at least not well enough to say that there's no racism reflected in the numbers. (Then there's the flip side, the passionate advocates, some of which will freely admit that there's a higher murder rate, but mostly when calling for assistance, and some of which deny it because it feeds stereotypes.)
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phillysuse Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:56 PM
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25. Schwarzennegger is Catholic, isn't he?
Schwarzennegger is Catholic, I believe, as is Maria Shriver.
I believe the Catholic Church is against the death penalty.
Maybe he can be excommunicated from the church by Pope Benedict.
The Catholic Church has enough bad press from the sex-abuse stuff' here's a chance for them to shine - have the Pope call Arnuld.
But the Pope's a former Nazi himself, doubt if it will happen.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:07 PM
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30. lol...Good One
There's a gem everywhere!:hi:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:41 PM
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37. Wouldn't that be mixing church and state if he let his beliefs dictate
whether or not to execute someone?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:48 PM
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56. Yes and no.
In principle, the Catholic Church apparently supports the death penalty. But the American bishops (and various papal statements) say that it's usually flawed in practice.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:02 PM
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29. One small benefit of this: my ignore list is growing. nt.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:15 PM
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33. I'll sleep just fine tonight
in fact the sooner this whole ridiculous episode is over, the better.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:49 PM
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34. And if in five years we find he was innocent
How about the man in texas executed and then the state went, OOOPS he might have been innocent?

What if this was a relative of yours? Would you sleep well tonight then? And this is the problem with the Death penalty, onky practiced by BACKWARD BARBARIC NATIONS...
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:18 AM
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41. So, if Tookie never would've started Gangs, they wouldn't exist today?
That's quite possibly the most idiotic statement I've ever heard in my life.

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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:26 AM
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42. I have to agree there...
I read the evidence and felt there was reasonable doubt to forestall execution and possible reason to further investigate the witnessess' testimony. It sounded like a possible frame.
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:12 AM
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45. the 9th appelate court is the most liberal in the nation...

...and they couldn't find a reasonable doubt.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:05 AM
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51. not isn't that special?
thanks for sharing
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 01:38 AM
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48. Two hours before Tookie is executed I finish Capote's In Cold Blood.
The Clutter family murders were just as "cold" as anything Tookie committed years ago.

Mr. Capote begins his novel with a poem by Francois Villon, "Ballade des pendus."

Men, brother men, that after us yet live,
Let not your hearts too hard against us be;
For if some pity of us poor men ye give,
The sooner God shall take of you pity.


Having finished Capote's non-fiction masterpiece, I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with the author. Granting "life sentence without parole" is the merciful, yet just way to go.

:hug:

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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:05 AM
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49. Well said. nt
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 08:23 AM
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54. Have you seen the movie?
It's excellent, and quite faithful to the book. The fact that Robert Blake plays a killer was eerily prescient.
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