Judge Clears Way for Border Fence

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_re_us/border_fence

SAN DIEGO - A federal judge on Monday lifted the final legal barrier to completing a border fence meant to thwart illegal immigrants in the southwestern corner of the U.S.

The project comprises 14 miles of additional fencing in San Diego. In September,
Homeland Security Secretary
Michael Chertoff waived all laws and legal challenges to building the final 3 1/2-mile leg through coastal wetlands to the Pacific Ocean.

The
Sierra Club and other environmental groups had argued that Chertoff lacked the authority to do what he did.

But U.S. District Judge Larry Burns said Congress delegated such authority to Chertoff in June. He noted that the executive branch already had significant jurisdiction over national security and immigration.

Only minority construction firms may bid for the contract.

And I want the fence up by the 2006 elections.

and we don't want you here. I do live in the "Bluest" part of the state, however. But we still don't want your snotty attitude here.

red voters, jokingly pretending that voting demographics were only red or only blue.

Shockingly enough, I actually do know that many blue voters live in red states.

Chill out.

around blue states as well?

Now dammit, you listen to me. I've enjoyed your posts on these boards a long time and I'm not about to stop now. Have enjoyed the consistent humor and brains that go into them and want to say happy HOLIDAYS to you before you fade into cyberspace again.

And the happiest of holidays to you and your family as well. You may want to delete your post so others won't think you find humor and brains in my posts. I meander around cyberspace a little bit just about every day. Hope to bump into you again soon.

under Bush's guest-worker program.

The employer would own the work permit, not the worker.
Nothing more than indentured servitude.

El Coyote will have ways through that fence within 24 hours. And can you imagine the mainteance on this? Particularly in the most rugged areas? What a joke.

or to keep us in? Hell, it will be just like one big prison with 48 cell blocks! (not counting Hi & AK)

A federal judge has lifted the final legal barrier to building a triple fence in the southwestern corner of the United States.]

The Sierra Club and other environmental groups argued that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff lacked authority to waive environmental and other laws that have delayed completion of 14 miles of additional fencing in San Diego.

In September, Chertoff waived all laws and legal challenges to building the final 3 1/2-mile leg through coastal wetlands to the Pacific Ocean.

U.S. District Judge Larry Burns on Monday said Congress clearly delegated the authority to Chertoff in June. He noted that the executive branch already had significant jurisdiction over national security and immigration policy.


http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/13974114p-14808077c.html

All I can visualize is the HUGH expense to build something that will just chalenge people to climb over it!

Damn, sounds like these idiots are taking failing lessons from Sharone!!!!

It's nothing but a wall of racism.

What a strange Orwellian existance we have devolved into...

You just go out there and strike up a bunch of conversations with people about closing the border. Then come back here and try to tell us that no one expressed any racism at all. I have had these kinds of conversations over and over again and bigotry comes out of peoples' mouths VERY often. This issue all about anti-Latin racism.

and I'm not "anti-Latin"

I just feel illegal immigration is an affront to those immigrants that actually take the time to go through the immigration process.

I say close the border, and heavily fine companies that hire illegal aliens.

We don't have the resources to man a wall between the US and Mexico, and besides which, its a freakin' waste of money and time. Also, fuck fining the companies, throw the CEOs and shareholders in jail, that will get their attention.

Just let illegal aliens come across our border without any resistance?

Jesus Christ, where did I say we do nothing? Look, the ONLY way a barrier of any sort would actually work, on a practical level, would include a concrete wall, razor-wire on top and in front of the wall, and landmines scattered throughout a field in front of the wall. Putting up such a barrier would be a declaration of war. Do we really want that?

No, practical and diplomatic solutions must be found, a first step would be to prosecute employers who hire illegals without asking questions. Another step would be to Relieve Latin American Countries of foriegn debt owed to us, and pressure our allies, possibly through the IMF to relieve the debt there as well. Once that is done, then move to reform NAFTA radically. These reforms would include revoking investor rights(Chapter 11 of the treaty) and strengthening human rights and labor rights, plus include encouragements for local investments in LOCAL businesses. If that fails, then revoke the damn thing and start from scratch. Is it any surprise that the destruction of the once growing middle class in Mexico stopped, and started shrinking, when NAFTA was enacted? Same goes for the growing desparation of the working class there. They are losing jobs to outsourcing, oddly enough, and left with no employment options, they come here. The Mexican government needs to be pressured to pull out of free trade agreements the same as we should pull out of them. Once that is done, then the motive for working in the US illegally decreases dramatically.

Building walls between nations and cultures have failed historically, I see no evidence as to how it would be any different in this case. This is like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound, not only would it not work, it could make matters much worst. No, instead, we need to think of real world solutions, like a medic would with a plastic sheet, slowing the blood flow, and then, finally, sewing up the problem area.

That assumption suggests that all the crime is on the other side of the fence, which is the root of the problem.

Okay, it's really republican hatred for poor immigrants spilling out again.

Being a democrat means you are not capable of comprehending that kind of animosity toward someone who is no trouble to you. Only Republicans can form that kind of animosity. I can only sit here and imagine what bubbles through their rotten brains.

At least after years of saying "how could the nazis do that?", we now know. They were vehemently insane and in political power.

Putting up a fence, or a wall, etc. will do a couple of things, one is costing millions of dollars, and the second is creating resentment on both sides of the border. It won't even slow down illegal immigration, that's a fact, honestly, I don't see how anyone can think this is a reasonable solution.

Not because I dislike Mexican people, but because of overpopulation. There are already enough people here. I don't want to see this country have the same overpopulation issues as India or China someday.

How the fuck is a wall or fence supposed to solve that problem?

What should be done is that Vicente Fox should work on improving the lives of his fellow countrymen so that they don't feel the need to flock here in droves, but he's no Hugo Chavez. Fox is too busy at the moment with *'s member in his mouth.

an ugly "wall" on our border...I guess that will "show 'em" how free we are, and what good law enforcement we have..

But is it to keep "them" out...or US in?

Because it obviously isn't a crime for you to illegally cross the border at any point you want anyways...

the new and improved Patriot Act is approved.

:sarcasm:

Do they keep you or send you back? Let's model our policy after theirs.

Especially in regards to refugees, etc. Why do people think that the United States doesn't deport people? We do so all the time, for overstaying visas, crossing the border illegally, ect.