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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:41 PM
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Congress Eyes Cruise Ship Dangers (Disappearing Passengers)
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1400466

Lawmakers are set this morning to investigate the potential dangers to vacationers cruising the high seas.

Two congressional committees will hold a joint hearing focusing on cruise-ship disappearances and crimes. The hearing comes on the heels of another cruise-ship disappearance in recent months, this one aboard Royal Caribbean's Jewel of the Sea, which returned to Florida on Sunday with one less passenger than when it departed.

<snip>

It is estimated that in the past two years, about a dozen people have disappeared while aboard cruise ships.

"The bottom line is we are suspicious, candidly, that there's some huge problem in the cruise industry," said Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn. "We think that people are not aware of some of the challenges and some of the potential problems they encounter."

<snip>

The congressional hearing will also touch on last month's pirate attack on a cruise ship off the coast of Somalia.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:42 PM
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1. Maybe they simply fell overboard and no one noticed. n/t
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:01 PM
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4. or jumped.
People do that from time to time.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 03:48 PM
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2. I think there might be another cruise ship murder story a whole lot more
deserving of Congress's investigation....I wonder why they have no interest in that one?
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:00 PM
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3. Tell us about it.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:19 PM
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10. Google "Sun Cruz"....there are 6.6 million references
Now that's cruise ship story that effects every American.
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:34 PM
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20. I found 47,600 references to "sun cruz"
365 to "sun cruz" boulis and 475 to "sun cruz" abramoff.

Your posts are very coy. Why didn't you just come out and say that the Boulis murder should be included as part of the Abramoff investigation.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:34 PM
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19. Abramoff two steps from murder
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:06 PM
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5. How much will this cost us?
I hope the aren't planning on spending 79 million like they did for bill's hummer. I have an idea...
Why don't they study how many babies have died because of poor prenatal care? We could all come up with hundreds of things that need explaining before this crap. How about drunk on a ship and they fell off- We just saved a shit pile of money didn't we?
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:09 PM
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8. 12 disappearances out of about 20 million passengers over two years
We're at risk of depopulation! Definitely worth a Congressional investigation.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 09:42 AM
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59. Your theory is quite probable. Another possibility,
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 09:42 AM by raccoon
pushed off by a spouse or somebody else who wanted them out of the way.

Really, folks, this is a crock.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:07 PM
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6. Maybe they've been abducted by The CIA and flown to foreign prisons?
Dear Abdul Muhammad,

Congratulations!

You've won a free vacation on-board Royal Caribbean's Jewel of the Sea!

Here are your tickets.

Sincerely,

The Central Intelligence Agency
Did I say CIA? I meant to say, "Timeshare Marketing, Inc."
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:09 PM
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7. Any pretty, blonde, American girls missing?
This could drag out for half a year.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:12 PM
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9. I suspect at least some of those disappearances
are voluntary. Check the missing passengers' background (and their debts) before you get "suspicious" of the cruise lines.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:21 PM
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12. and insurance policies..
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 04:21 PM by SoCalDem
A last ditch cruise to salvage a marriage, may not be what it seems :evilgrin:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:30 PM
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17. You must have finished Carl Hiaasen's book 'Skinny Dip'
I recommend you read it if you havn't yet.

Perrone goes overboard for her anniversary in latest Hiaasen novel

At the stroke of eleven on a cool April night, a woman named Joey Perrone went overboard from a luxury deck of the cruise liner M.V. Sun Duchess. Plunging toward the dark Atlantic, Joey was too dumbfounded to panic.

I married an asshole, she thought, knifing headfirst into the waves.

The impact tore off her silk skirt, blouse, panties, wristwatch and sandals, but Joey remained conscious and alert. Of course she did. She had been co-captain of her college swim team, a biographical nugget that her husband obviously had forgotten.

Bobbing in its fizzy wake, Joey watched the gaily lit Sun Duchess continue steaming away at twenty nautical miles per hour. Evidently only one of the other 2,049 passengers was aware of what had happened, and he wasn’t telling anybody.

Bastard, Joey thought.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:39 PM
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21. I actually have the book, but have not read it yet
:)
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:00 PM
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22. Great book. That jerkoff husband gets his comeuppance in the end.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:16 PM
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24. All of Carl Hiaasen's villains get their comeuppance!
:rofl:


I've grown to enjoy Hiaasen's writting style, includding his news and opinion pieces for the Miami Herald.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 06:58 PM
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27. I read it.
I'm hooked on Hiaasien. (Is that spelling right? I know there's a double something in his name, but I thought it was the esses.)
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:20 PM
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11. bwahahahahha
sounds like a good committee to get on - wonder how many "personal" investigative trips they will get, er I mean HAVE to take.....
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:22 PM
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13. Radar Magazine has an article on this subject
... in its Nov/Dec 2005 issue ...



"THE VANISHING"

How did a honey mooning 26-year-old disappear from a Mediterranean cruise? And what of the dozen others who have also vanished?

By Jay Cheshes

http://www.radaronline.com/magazine/table-of-contents.php
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:23 PM
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14. Someone must be shorting cruise line stocks,
I'm thinking.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:25 PM
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15. I truly detest Chris Shays because he called the Katrina survivors liars
at the Katrina hearings last week.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:27 PM
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16. Cruise ships are disappearing?
another cruise-ship disappearance in recent months

Shouldn't that be "another cruise-ship passenger disappearance.. . " Sheesh.

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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:09 PM
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23. Haven't you heard of the Bermuda Triangle?
nt
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:58 PM
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34. Sure I have - what's your point? n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 04:33 PM
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18. Wow, steroids in pro sports, cruise ship safety....
the GOP is tackling all the big issues of the day.

I hope they take on the toilet seat up or down issue next.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:31 PM
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29. less filling or tastes great....
I don't think that one's ever been resolved, either....
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:10 AM
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57. Mr. Chairman, I humbly propose that it may be both
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:19 PM
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25. Organs harvested to keep Cheney alive, most likely.
nt
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 05:32 PM
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26. yes, this does look like organ harvesting... :)
doesn't the international cruise lines take some medical information from passengers in case of accidents they know what blood type to give out, so such a cruise presents a supermarket of persons to the organ thieves. On the other hand I really doubt that; but it's a good angle to work the hysteria with. watch them go... best of all this will no doubt lead to much more strict surveillance of people on ships! maybe everyone who boards will have to get a tracking chip somehow?


I mean, 12 out of 20mil over two years, with some being no doubt people who want to go missing, that's not much... I wonder if they ever found those kids Jeb's child welfare people lost? I guess that doesn't warrant congress, since they're just poor people after all.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:16 PM
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28. I call BS
what's the rate of disappearances in the general population?

how many people set out to go visit grandma and never arrive?

how many people go on vacation to foreign countries and are never heard from again?

12 missing people in two years would be one every two months. Ooooh.... scary.

NOT!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:36 PM
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30. If one of my loved ones disappeared on a cruise ship
(or from anywhere else, for that matter), I'd scream up to the highest authority I could reach.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:50 PM
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31. I'd be upset too
but TWO congressional committees?

TWO?

How many looked into 9-11, or Iraq, or the levee failures, all "accidents" that cost THOUSANDS of American lives? :shrug:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:53 PM
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32. One's enough
I don't know why they're having two.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:58 PM
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33. They're floating cities. Stuff happens.
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 08:00 PM by WinkyDink
That said, there still might be something worth more investigation, such as piracy.

Oh, and that honeymooner? Can you say "Black Widow"? I thought you could.
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Thom Little Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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35. Mystery of the vanishing cruise ship passengers
A public investigation into a string of disappearances aboard luxury cruise ships was opened by the US Congress yesterday.

Spurred to action by the case of George Allen Smith IV, whose disappearance from a cruise ship on July 5 has all the ingredients of an Agatha Christie whodunnit, a congressional committee will hear evidence about at least 12 people who have vanished from liners in the past five years.

“We want to know how often this kind of thing happens,” said Christopher Shays, chairman of the National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations committee looking into cruise ship safety.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1927595,00.html
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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36. Sigh...
“We want to know how often this kind of thing happens,” said Christopher Shays, chairman of the National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations committee looking into cruise ship safety.

Duh, a couple of people a year???? They are probably in Gitmo, try looking there first. :rolleyes:
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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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37. I saw this on the teevee machine
it kind of sounded to me like they were people who didn't like their life for whatever reason and decided to just run off and start a new life. Of course, I could be wrong (it has happened :) )
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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40. And what a better place to start than on a vacation
Almost happened to me a few times....
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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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42. sounds logical to me
you're presumably in a beautiful location, relaxed,...why not just leave the ship and start living on some little island somewhere?
I don't think it's the great vast conspiracy they seem to be making it out to be.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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48. Or make that big decision...
To just walk away from the maddening HELL that your life has become.

Just a hunch.
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bammertheblue Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:58 AM
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56. right
sorry, that's what I meant. I'm a little inarticulate this evening.
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adolfo Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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52. *Self Delete
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 11:25 PM by adolfo
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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38. Good grief!
Something else to scare us with.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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39. Good to know there aren't bigger problems facing this country
that Shays has the kind of freet ime to investigate very rare events.:sarcasm:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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41. And what about college bowl games???
That was HUGH!!!1111
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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44. omg please don't bring that up, i was just starting to forget that
and now i'm all worried again!!
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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43. How does falling overboard sound as an explanation?
you know on a ship at sea there's all that water around - It's not that hard to figure out what happened. The puzzle is did they jump or were they pushed? that's the hard part.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:58 AM
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54. If there's a splash they fell if they sink like a stone....
:hurts:
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handsignals4theblind Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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45. the mysterious disappearance of the Love boat cruise

THis is just the thing that Geraldo and STone Phillips will exploit for one of those magazine light formats that are fed to the public.

From Jean Binnet to the Aruba blonde

I still would love to know what happened to Chandra Levey and the 2 young boys that were killed after stumbling upon a drug smuggling operation connected to the MENA operation.The mother, Linda Ives has been trying to seek justice ever since.illegal codesmilie_remote(':patriot:')

HELLO-- Geraldo or Stone to I have a story for you!:wtf: :patriot:
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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46. Is this the new missing blond girl?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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47. I'd take a good look at Henry A. Kissinger, this is his style
or maybe Negroponte, LOL!!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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49. Thank God for Christopher Shays.
Btw, George Allen Smith IV doesn't sound like he might come from a wealthy family does he? :freak:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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50. The buffet! The buffet!
It's PEOPLE :evilgrin:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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51. We should suggest that W take a cruise instead of going to Crawford
next August. Explain to him that he could get everyone on board screened, and then enjoy some fun in the sun, an open bar, the exercise facilities, and the diving (off the stern while en route).
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:57 AM
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53. I cruise a lot and i see an awful lot of out-of-control drunks who can
hardly stand up. I wonder if a few have just fell overboard in a drunken stupor? And it's amazing how many of these drunks are young women.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 12:58 AM
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55. priorities, priorities
They won't hold hearings to find out if bush lied about a war that has killed 30,000 innocent Iraqi civilians (more or less, you understand) but they will hold hearings to find out about six Americans who disappeared off cruise ships.

Man, that just says it all.




Cher

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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:14 AM
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58. I'm sure that certain congressmen will use this to take a taxpayer...
paid cruise. After all, funds from Abramhoff have dried up and they have to take their families on vacation.
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