Bush can settle CIA leak riddle, Novak says

just that they gave it to a special prosecutor to investigate. What an idiot.

watching Novak's carpet-bombing-esque falling out with the neocons? Seriously... we're talking genuine pleasure here.

the bush administration all twisted up in this mess he was treated as a pariah by his "pals" in the neo-con mainstream. It was all his fault, you see, that the bushies were involved at all. :eyes: Being the egomaniac that Novakula is, he's taken this very personally and is on the offensive again and I'm sure he could tell everyone where a lot of the GOP bodies are buried. Bob is burning his bridges and if he's not careful he might have a "stroke" or some other life threatening event that so often occurs when people cross the BFEE/GOP. I'd be very careful if I were Novakula, either that or start singing like a bird and cut the legs from underneath the bastards before they can act.

In the meantime, as you say, we're enjoying every minute of his transformation from GOP mouthpiece to GOP pariah. :rofl:

Novak putting the blame on his beloved right wing president. Republicans truly do eat their own,
or if they are too big to eat they take bites in vital areas. Ouch!:popcorn:

Is Novak calling Bush a liar, cause I remember Bush saying he wanted to get to the bottom...

He should be lined up against a wall and shot and I am against the death penalty..IOW I don't really want that to happen but that it should if justice were to be served.

but he did not!!! No mystery here.

I figure that most of these guys, be they thug politicians or media whores, know that * is an imbicile. But they like the power that comes their way with the neocon stranglehold on gov't, and as * sinks further and further into the latrine that hold on power is threatened for all of them. There is no desire here to set the record straight, of course, just self-preservation from a GOPiggie.

"extremely bad management of the issue by the White House. Once you give an issue to a special prosecutor, you lose control of it."

Oh so Novak is angry that the WH dropped the ball and didn't protect their courtisans like Novak or Miller. He's not angry that the security of his country was compromised over partisanship smears.

prosecutor.

Because we know Bob Novak and Pigface Rove are blowbuddies from way back...

'way back when, in the '88 or '92 campaign or something. I don't remember what it was, but suddenly wish I could remember.

Novak continues to amaze me. He claims to be a devout converted Catholic, yet everything that he does and says is in exact opposition to the teachings of the Catholic Church. How do these people justify, in their own hearts, their actions - especially when they do real and lasting harm to the poor, the elderly, the young, the sick, etc. ( ex.- 50 billion in cuts to the havenots going through congress right now )? Amazing, the amount of self-deception that this must take. I would have a hard, hard time living with myself.

Most of us are amazed by self deception. They are able to justify anything they want to do. Bush is a prime example along with the rest of the adm.

their sins against Humanity.

Does this mean we get credit for making the Plame affair the issue it is? Well if so, good for us!

prosecutor, you lose control of it."
Funny, Woodward said the same thing.

Checks and balances.

I have a helluva lot more respect for Fitz, than anyone else on the block.

:sarcasm:

or was it condi? or karen? or that stupid scotus appointment?

:spank:

good

or maybe Shaddam Hushane.

woohoo! Passing the buck eh?

woohoo! Passing the buck eh?

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 54 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Columnist Bob Novak, who first published the identity of covert
CIA officer Valerie Plame, says he is confident that
President Bush knows who leaked Plame's name.

Novak said that "I'd be amazed" if the president didn't know the source's identity and that the public should "bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cia_leak_investigation

... everyone in the WH -- he seems to think that's a viable way of getting information.

You're damned real he knows who it is.

Jesus.

What a pile of crap.

more like "olds."

NGU.

So if * knows who commited that crime, does knowing who the criminal is but not "calling the cops" make * an accomplice of that crime? ("Automatic?")

If not then OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE?? :wtf:

:puffpiece:

K & R!!

ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT - Whoever, knowing that an offense has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact; one who knowing a felony to have been committed by another, receives, relieves, comforts, or assists the felon in order to hinder the felon's apprehension, trial, or punishment. U.S.C. 18

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/a007.htm

This is a stunning, public accusation by Novak.

He knows who outed Plame and is hiding it? How do you spell TREASON?

If Bush knows something that has not yet been revealed to Fitpatrick, then that could be extremely serious, yes. But as much as I'd like to see this clown bounced out of office, I would surmise that what Novak meant was that Bush could put an end to the public drama if he chose to.

The front company was exposed-the company who monitored WMDs. It's treason in my book when someone exposes a network trailing WMDs to keep us and the world safer. Now, why would someone do that? I don't believe it's a vendetta against Joe Wilson, as it is continually stated, I believe it's purpose was to destroy a network.

o-b-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-o-n-o-f-j-u-s-t-i-c-e.

Bush is surely guilty of obstruction if this is true.

standing up to these rethugs sure feel goods.. Gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling knowing WE CAN stand up and be counted..

Why is MSM quiet about Novak's comments?

they answer to the same masters as the Bush administration. Whomever that may be.

They were quiet about Jeff Gannon, the fake reporter who was a gay male prostitute. Hell, some media folks came out in support of him. That defies logic.

They were quiet about the Downing Street 'Memo'.

They were/are quiet about the FAKE companies the republicans are using to launder money back into their coffers.


Even with shit storm that's going on now they remain quiet by not doing any real investigating, just superficial reporting.

Lookout dubby, Bob is steaming mad and has his eye on you.
I think Bob needs a little time in the cooler like Judy baby.
Maybe that will jog his memory.
I wouldn't want to be in his shoes calling out the crime family.
Don't fly on any small planes Bob and stay in your house and don't let anyone touch your food, etc, etc.

It was nice knowing you Bob!
:hide:

Novak and Woodward. What do they have in common? Could it be direct access to the President? We know Woodward has that kind of entree. My only question: How likely is it that Novak also has it?

Novak is beginning to feel the impact of the Plame outing in his life. He has lost the respect of many in the political establishment. Is he starting to break? Is Novak's statement a call for help from the person who put him into the predicament in which he finds himself?

Is the real reason Fitzgerald has allowed reporters to limit there testimony and discuss only certain of their relevant sources because the one common source for all of them may be protected by some kind of executive privilege? In short, did Bush out Plame?

Is this why Fitzgerald is going after the top White House aides for perjury charges, but not for being the first to out Plame? Somebody has to have been the first. If it wasn't Libby or Rove, who could it have been? Who would these guys protect? Cheney -- maybe -- but, ever since Woodward spoke up, I have suspected Bush himself. And Bush's statement that he knew Rove was not the culprit would fit into this theory quite well. Of course, this is just conjecture at this point. But, I think we have to consider this possibility quite seriously. In which case, the Wilson/Plame lawsuit will be very interesting. The depositions of Clinton would be eclipsed by the shadow of those of Bush.

I think it is Bush. What a bombshell that would be, huh? Hard for the MSM to ignore that if true.

:wow:

Maybe he knows via his father.

More efficient that way, yes?

Fitz knows what the hell he's doing and I've always felt that it was bunnypants that first leaked Plames name.

It's great to see Libby and turd blossom shaking over this but let's get the REAL bastard! President Bunnypants!

:rolf:

:rofl:

Gee, more "plausible deniability" - what a surprise. Novak didn't say Bush knew - he said, "I'm confident the president knows who the source is.... I'd be amazed if he doesn't." It's pure speculation, not an accusation. Novak's just pissed that the White House crew won't bail him out.

And I love this:

"extremely bad management of the issue by the White House. Once you give an issue to a special prosecutor, you lose control of it."

Um, conflict of interest, Bob? You've probably heard that term at some point in your many years as a "journalist." Do you really think that this would have been swept under the rug if DOJ hadn't appointed a special prosecutor? And do you really think it SHOULD have been?

What a partisan hack.

...NovHack

i believe he may be having a Maalox moment.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20051214/1903472189.htm&ewp=ewp_news_1205cia_leak


WASHINGTON (AP) - Columnist Bob Novak, who first published the identity of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, says he is confident that President Bush knows who leaked Plame's name.

Novak said that ``I'd be amazed'' if the president didn't know the source's identity and that the public should ``bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is.''

Novak's remarks, reported in the Raleigh, N.C., News & Observer, came during a question and answer session Tuesday after a speech sponsored by the John Locke Foundation, a conservative think tank.

or he shouldn't fly in a small plane

A B movie version of All the President's Men. Work in a few scenes in a strip joint where some of the WH operatives meet "secretly" etc.

but now can't wait to hear the next installment

The man who vehemently defended Harris on national television wrote
Sunday: "Republican insiders believe Rep. Katherine Harris, with her
fund-raising in the dumps and her staff constantly in flux, may drop
out of the U.S. Senate race in Florida against first-term Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson."

Novak's words have been repeated on dozens of political blogs and Web
sites as proof that Harris is about to drop out.

While others have speculated that Harris might drop out, none have
had the conservative credentials of Novak, who in August stormed off
the set of a television talk show after trying to defend Harris' chances of winning in 2006.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051213/NEWS/512130429

them - and thus the election - in 2000. Maybe they think she won't be as useful now. Despite what is said about loyalty being rewarded, the fact is, she's a woman and the GOP leadership have little use for am ambitious woman in their inner circle. If she's really past her usefulness, they'll throw her overboard without a moment's hesitation.

These Congressmen/Women voted NAY on Senator McCains introduction into the Defense Appropriations Bill the NonTorture Legislation.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r109:5:./temp/~r10910R950::

NAYS--122

Aderholt, Akin, Baker, Barrett (SC), Barton (TX), Bilirakis, Bishop (UT), Blackburn, Blunt, Boehner, Bonilla, Bonner, Bono, Brady (TX), Brown (SC), Burgess Burton (IN), Buyer, Calvert, Campbell (CA), Cannon, Cantor, Carter, Chabot, Coble, Cole (OK), Conaway, Crenshaw, Cubin, Culberson, Deal (GA), DeLay, Doolittle, Drake, Dreier, Everett, Feeney, Fossella, Foxx, Franks (AZ), Frelinghuysen, Gallegly, Garrett (NJ), Gillmor, Gingrey, Gohmert, Goode, Granger, Graves, Hall, Hart, Hastings (WA), Hayes, Hayworth, Hefley, Hensarling, Herger, Hobson, Hoekstra, Hostettler, Hunter, Istook, Jindal Johnson, Sam King (IA), King (NY), Kingston, LaHood, Lewis (CA), Lewis (KY), Linder, Lucas, Lungren, Daniel, E. Marchant Marshall, McHenry, McKeon, Mica, Miller (FL), Miller, Gary, Musgrave, Myrick, Neugebauer, Ney, Norwood, Nunes, Oxley, Pearce, Pence, Peterson (PA), Poe, Price (GA), Putnam, Radanovich, Rehberg, Renzi, Rogers (AL), Rogers (KY)

That is the talking point the pResident would give as an answer

That is why novak told people that - he wouldn't be "bugged" and if they "bugged" dubya, that is all that would be said.

This isn't novak getting back at anybody - it's avoiding the situation from every aspect!

Harris "doesn't want to be linked with Cunningham at all."

Federal records show that since 2002, owners and employees of two
companies named in Cunningham's indictment _ M-Z-M and A-D-C-S _ have
pumped the money into Harris' campaign.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=4197295&nav=9qrx

Novak predicted end is near for Katherine Harris.

to explain that little remark

Wouldn't be something if it was Junior. I can hear Poppy now, back pedaling on if it should be treason to out a CIA undercover agent.

I wonder if the reporters will make it a point to first quote Bu$h senior on what he said way back when and then ask him if he still feels the same way, if his son is the one that did it.

Also included is Keith's coverage of Democratic Senator Shumer's letter Bush asking him to make a statement one way or the other about Novak's claim that Bush knows the name of the source. BLOCKBUSTER!!! And then there is his citing of Novak's whining about the WH's bad management of the issue and attempts to pass the blame.



Novak on Bush, Schumer on Bush- Dec 14 05
VIDEO (Windows media): http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/novakbushcialeakdec1405.wmv

Thanks to Can-o-fun (liveoaktx here at DU), we have this important piece of history. :toast:

I just murdered my neighbor with a chainsaw.

please don't anybody out there give this issue to a special prosecutor.

it could hinder my effectiveness in coalition building and non-partisanship.

-85%

considered good testimony. Easy to confuse on cross examination. He would have to have Karl tell him what he remembers.

If Fitzgerald believed President Bush knew more information about the case, as Novak has suggested, could he be subpoenad and forced to testify under oath? What are the rules regarding the president?

Himself when he gives them to all GOP's (Gives Out Pardons)

just like Miller, for making that remark. IF INDEED he KNOWS that Bush knows who this leaker is then Nofacts is committing a CRIME, the same Crime that Miller was jailed for.

What puzzles me is that Novak has never really been held accountable for any of his actions or remarks legally. He must have made some deal with Fitz already, got a "Get out of Jail Free Card" of some sort.

Be funny if Fitz has known from the start via Novak and has just been building a case and pitting these creatures against each other, waiting for them to finger Bush to save their own asses..

Don't forget to Decorate Your own Fitzmas Tree HERE:

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YOU can actually DECORATE YOUR OWN FITZMAS TREE, by dragging and dropping Ornaments and dropping them on the FITZMAS TREE - if an Ornament sticks to your "hand" it may be because of the slimy people encased within, just give it another mouse click on the tree to shake it off. The first flash can be found here:

http://www.tbtmradio.com/flash/merryfitzmas.swf

But there are two Flashes that interact with each other - one is the Fitzmas Tree itself, with a box FULL of decorations, the decorations being the Subjects of Indictments, Investigations, etc - something your Right Wing brother-in-law might also be interested in knowing, lots of facts

If you click (click all over the page, lots of surprises on it) on the TITLE's of the Flashes you can go between the Tree itself, and another Flash that will load up with all the Decorations and an explanation of WHO they are, and WHAT they did.. for folks that don't know much about the Plame Outing they can get educated on the Ornaments and then click on back to the Tree and Decorate the Hell out of it

The first link goes to the Fitzmas Tree itself, but like I said, you can click to the other Flash for more info, or a pal can get more info and Trim the Tree after.

You can check out the Ornaments information at this link secondly (but maybe miss some surprises where the Presents are in the first link) HERE:

http://www.tbtmradio.com/flash/merryfitzmasornaments.swf

Ex-FBI translator's case may reveal Plame's crucial CIA role
By Mike Mejia
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Dec 16, 2005, 00:52

For over a year, speculation has run rampant in the U.S. media and in the blogosphere about the CIA leak investigation being conducted by Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.

The thought-provoking questions asked by journalists and bloggers alike are many and varied: Who, in addition to Scooter Libby and Karl Rove, was involved in leaking the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame to the media in order to punish her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, for his refutation of President Bush's Niger uranium claim? What was the role of the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) in peddling Plame's name to the media? Who forged the Niger uranium documents? What secrets lay inside the eight redacted pages of material in Circuit Judge David Tatel's decision to overide his finding of a reporters' federal shield privilege "ere the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security"? Was Plame's role at the CIA as a weapons of mass destruction expert critical, as old CIA hands like Larry Johnson contend, or was she just a paper pusher, as the pro-Bush crowd proclaims?

Although many of these questions about the Fitzgerald investigation have yet to be answered, a pair of little noticed but explosive articles authored by Christopher Deliso of antiwar.com, "Plame, Pakistan a Nuclear Turkey and the Necons" and "Lesser Neocons of L'Affaire Plame", go a long way to solving the mystery of Valerie Plame's mission at the agency and may henceforth reveal what likely lies in those mysterious eight redacted pages of Tatel's.

According to Deliso's two sources, the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet and former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, the outing of Valerie Plame may have severely damaged a CIA operation to monitor a nuclear black market faciliated by the shadowy but well-connected Washington lobby group, the American Turkish Council (ATC). (Those familiar with the Sibel Edmonds case will know the ATC is the very same organization that the former FBI translator heard on wiretaps in connection with various alleged illegal activities, some connected to 9/11.) From Edmonds, Deliso obtained the following admission: "Plame's undercover job involved the organizations , the ATC (American-Turkish Council) and the ATA (American-Turkish Association) . . . the Brewster Jennings network was very active in Turkey and with the Turkish community in the U.S. during the late 1990s, 2000, and 2001 . . . in places like Chicago, Boston, and Paterson, N.J."

Such a stunning statement by the former FBI contract linguist could be dismissed by those not familiar with the whistleblower's well-established credibility were it not for the fact that Edmonds is, at least in part, corroborated by Ambassador Joseph Wilson himself. In his book the Politics of Truth, Wilson recounts on page 240 that he first met Valerie Plame in 1997, at a reception at the home of the Turkish ambassador which Wilson attended to receive an award from -- you guessed it -- the American Turkish Council. Wilson, of course, never explains in his book what brought Valerie Plame to attend this ATC-sponsored event, but since it is public information that Plame was an undercover CIA operative at the time, the simplest explanation is the most likely one: she was there as part of her Brewster Jennings & Associates cover. Although U.S. law prohibits the CIA from conducting espionage operations against U.S. citizens on American soil, nothing would have prohibited Plame from attending such an event in Washington.

Con't-
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/printer_340.shtml

but I would be tickled to know that this is what has caused his fall out. What ever the reason. Hallelujah

Original link http://yellowdogmi.tripod.com/

I want to dedicate this installment to Theodore Roosevelt Heller. Here is his obituary from the Chicago Tribune.
Theodore Roosevelt Heller, 88, loving father of Charles (Joann) Heller; dear brother of the late Sonya (the late Jack) Steinberg. Ted was discharged from the U.S. Army during WWII due to service related injuries, and then forced his way back into the Illinois National Guard insisting no one tells him when to serve his country. Graveside services Tuesday 11 a.m. at Waldheim Jewish Cemetery (Ziditshover section), 1700 S. Harlem Ave., Chicago.

In lieu of flowers, please send acerbic letters to Republicans.

Published in the Chicago Tribune on 10/10/2005

It was the line above that caught my attention. I appreciate the sentiment. Below is the letter that I sent to Robert Novak. Unfortunately I received no reply. If you feel inclined to abuse the blowhards I have included a list of links and phone numbers at the end. Pick a topic and unleash a torrent on the overpaid hacks of the Republican Party.

Mr. Novak,
I read your column from Monday March 21st where you lament the undisciplined defections of the Republican Party on budget issues. You labor the fact that they were not strong enough to gut Medicaid spending. The points that you made are facetious. If we really wanted to control spending we could eliminate wasteful pentagon programs that are not working. The missile shield has failed every major test yet still we fund that instead of providing medical care for the poorest among us. The administration continues to pour money down the rat hole of star wars even though the threat from ICBM's has diminished over the last decade. Any other CEO would have slashed the budget for this boondoggle years ago. Another hypocisy of this administration is the championing of Life. The late hour intercession of the legislative branch in the fight to pull the feeding tube of Mrs. Schiavo has been billed as supporting life. If this administration truly valued life they would value the quality of life. Not just the quality of life for America's most well off. I applaud the republicans who voted there consciouses. They showed that not all of the GOP is out of touch with the values of America's mainstream. Stop your strident whining. Your foe
Terry Reed
PS. I think that you are despicable. I hope that you are incarcerated for your refusal to give up the name in the Valerie Plame case.

P P S. DROP DEAD

Now this may seem like a harsh thing to send to doddering old GOP hack, however what I was hoping for was that he would see that there were blue staters that did not like him. I don’t like him because he is not objective. Below is a list of others and the countries major newspapers. Please let them know how you feel.
http://yellowdogmi.tripod.com/