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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:42 PM
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Welfare Overhaul Likely to Be Dropped
Welfare Overhaul Likely to Be Dropped

By ANDREW TAYLOR
The Associated Press
Thursday, December 15, 2005; 9:34 PM

WASHINGTON -- A plan to require welfare recipients to work 40 hours a week for their benefits hit
deep and probably decisive opposition from Senate moderates Thursday in negotiations on a GOP plan
to shave federal benefit programs such as Medicaid, Medicare and student loan subsidies.

The five-year, $40 billion-plus deficit reduction bill is a major plank in the GOP's platform but
its passage remains uncertain as negotiations stayed in limbo over physicians' Medicare fees,
whether to kill a program that compensates companies hurt by trading partners who "dump" their
exports and drilling for oil in an Alaska wildlife refuge.
<snip>
An official House-Senate negotiation session was slated for Friday on the parallel-track budget bill,
even as informal talks produced a series of tentative understandings on several disputed issues.

Senate GOP moderates appeared poised to carry the day on several of them. A House-sponsored
welfare-overhaul bill was unlikely to be included in the final measure after Sen. Olympia J. Snowe,
R-Maine, complained that it would provide far too little child care subsidies for parents facing an
increase in work requirements.
<snip>

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501953.html
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:45 PM
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1. Yeah, W's idea of making single mothers work with less childcare
Seemed a little too much for any Christian to swallow.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:49 PM
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2. I think childcare should in itself count as a full time job
no problem then.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:05 PM
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3. you'd think it would, but these old men
seem to consider the production and training of the next generation of citizens and workers to be a silly, self indulgent hobby of silly, self indulgent little women, not worthy of any support at all.

Above all, they seem to feel that women can put the kids into bureau drawers, go to work, and then take them out and play with them when they get home.

It's a truly bizarre view of the real work of the human race, and we need to end it. Women with children are already working, damned hard, and on call 24/7. If it looks like they're doing a bad job, then education is the key, not withdrawal of support.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:18 PM
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4. The little ones seem to be the victim of W's almighty $
as well as their mothers.
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napsi Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:15 AM
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5. I don't see a problem
with people being required to do something for the public assistance they receive. A person who feels responsible is likely to act responsible. Flame away.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:24 AM
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6. Bush feels "responsible"
but doesn't act "responsible." So much for that argument.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:30 AM
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7. The problem is lack of daycare
There are still places where there is no affordable daycare, and some women are forced to leave their children alone or with someone they are not sure about.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:47 AM
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8. How will these responsible people
pay for childcare?
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:00 AM
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9. Get reality
A woman who is forced to work for minimum wage as a price for having housing, but then who is denied babysitting care for her childcare, is nothing but a slave for the Non-Christian GOP employers.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:03 AM
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14. What minimum wage?
She works for the welfare check. Period. That's subsistence for slave labor. Please be clear on that.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:30 AM
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16. Rick Santorum said , ""Making people struggle a little bit
is not necessarily the worst thing," back in 2003 when funding cuts for childcare for working welfare moms was being considered. Yeah, Rick, make those kids suffer a little by being left home alone. That'll teach 'em to be born to poor single moms.

:mad:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:42 AM
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13. Cheap forced labor = corporate welfare!
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 02:42 AM by stickdog
Do you want to work 40 hours a week at a shit job while taking care of 3 kids by yourself without daycare just to get the government to kick in enough to so your family can eat two decent meals a day?

Do you think that's conducive to successfully raising a family? I guess there's always night school, right?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:35 AM
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17. You're so right. People who are on public assistance lack responsibility.
It's because after the aliens abducted them, the implants made them that way.

If a person fell off the dock because she wasn't looking where she was going, would you let her drown because she didn't have enough personal responsibility? How about if she walked off the end of the dock with two small children? Oh I know -- throw the life jackets in the water and make her swim for them. That will teach her.

Most public assistance recipients want to take care of themselves and families. TANF in fact already stipulates work components for certain recipients. If someone is able to work 40 hours a week for TANF benefits it would be a much better investment for all of us to get that person a job in the private workforce. The reason that doesn't happen is that most public assistance recipients have multiple barriers to employment (child care, transportation, remedial education needs, to name a few.) "Personal responsibility" doesn't mean squat if you're an 8 year old with a mother who left middle school to give birth and lives in an area far from the jobs. You can say that the mother acted irresponsibly, but restricting her access to public assistance affects the innocent child.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:28 PM
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20. I agree.
Anyone receiving welfare should be willing to contribute in some way. To make that feasible, though, more childcare money is going to have to made available.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 01:27 AM
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10. Nice to see some Repugs recognize life after birth
Stress "some."

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:27 AM
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11. Kudos to Olympia Snowe. It takes a woman to point out the obvious...
... like affordable and available childcare. I'm glad she's a Repub -- we need the moderates to rediscover their hearts and brains; we need allies in this struggle for human decency and humane laws.

I have no problem with "workfare" as such, but one of the biggest holes in the system is the way childcare keeps ending up as an extra and not an absolute necessity.

Women with children who have to work (and face it, that's most of us by now) are damned if we do and damned if we don't, and that goes double for anyone needing public assistance.

Hekate
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:59 AM
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15. yes, and good for all that oppose this Dragonian measure!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 02:36 AM
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12. Cheap forced labor = corporate welfare.
Welfare "overhaul" indeed!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:01 PM
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18. How is it a "benefit" if you have to work to get it?
I thought that was called a "wage".
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 12:43 PM
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19. and let's make it difficult for them to obtain birth control pills too


so they can have even more babies that they can't find childcare for.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:28 PM
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21. Oh yeah -- I forgot to add that one. nt
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:36 PM
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23. how they love to box us in, huh

they like it when we have nowhere to turn.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:33 PM
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22. it won't be long and those tax cuts will start looking like the target for
all moderates.
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