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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:57 PM
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Bush least popular US president: survey (JFK #1, Clinton #2, Reagan #3)
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 03:58 PM by sabra

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Bush-least-popular-US-president-survey/2005/12/17/1134703632280.html

Bush least popular US president: survey

President George W Bush ranks as the least popular and most bellicose of the last 10 US presidents, according to a new survey.

Only nine per cent of the 662 people polled picked Bush as their favourite among the last 10 presidents.

John F Kennedy topped that part of the survey with 26 per cent, closely followed by Bill Clinton (25 per cent) and Ronald Reagan (23 per cent).

Bush was also viewed as the most warlike president (43 per cent), the worst for the economy (42 per cent) and the least effective (33 per cent). But he was rated most highly in response to a question on who would do the right thing even if it were unpopular.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 03:59 PM
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1. One problem . . .
"But he was rated most highly in response to a question on who would do the right thing even if it were unpopular."

Assuming he could possibly figure out what the right thing to do would be.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:03 PM
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4. Yes, but he seems to be a champ at doing unpopular things. . .
n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:24 PM
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26. Unfortunately, not one of them has been the right thing.
Merely the rightwing thing.
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:39 PM
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29. Yep
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 09:39 PM by twaddler01
Too rightwing for me...:puke:
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:09 PM
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65. Unpopular because he doesn't listen....
he has his own agenda and is going to force it on the world. Thus, sending this country into the toilet.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:04 PM
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5. That meme is going to be very tough to dislodge.
The corporate media has spent every last second of the last 5 years pounding it home.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:11 PM
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32. Yep, they've played it up as a man true to his convictions. It's not a
matter of him doing the right thing even if it's unpopular, it's him doing his own thing even if it's unpopular. My way or the highway. The man has no convictions or scruples, he's just pig-headed, stubborn, greedy and self-centered.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #32
59. Where does it come form? Just look
at his mom. She rates as the most despicable female in the world in my book.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:22 AM
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63. In style, in evils look and in condescending statements about other less
fortunate, in which junior shows the world in his smirk.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:18 PM
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10. That's only because there wasn't the following alternative:
"Who's the president most likely to do the wrong thing even if it is unpopular?"
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:57 AM
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55. AMEN
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:58 AM
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64. I guess that would be depend one's definition of 'right'.
The 'right' thing for some isn't necessarily the 'right' thing for all. He can be counted on to do the right thing for bushco and the wealthiest among us, even if it's wildly unpopular, both here and abroad.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:15 PM
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68. Bush must be the biggest flip-flopper in political history
In less than 5 years, he's changed his position on just about every major issue out there:

first ignore terrorism, then solely focus on it
against homeland security, then for it
against a 9/11 commission, then for it
against nation building, then for it
for following letter & spirit of the law, then ignoring the letter and spirit of it
for leaning on Saudis to lower oil prices, then strangely silent when oil prices go through the roof
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:00 PM
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2. "But he was rated most highly in response to a question on who would...
do the right thing even if it were unpopular."

WTF?

More like who would do the WRONG thing even if it were unpopular!
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:01 PM
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3. Do the right thing?!
"But he was rated most highly in response to a question on who would do the right thing even if it were unpopular."

:wtf:
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:58 PM
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69. Exactly
when has he ever done the right thing? He would NEVER do the right thing, especially if it was unpopular - and he would only count his Saudi connections,PNAC buddies and the ultra-rightwing among those who decide what is and is not popular.

I think Carter is the one most likely to do the right thing even if it was unpopular and I think Clinton is a close second. Clinton is the one who played brinksmanship with the Republicans over the budget and shut the government down temporarily. I think that counts as an unpopular thing to do, but it was the right one and it worked.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:05 PM
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6. Rush was talking about this today
HA! No he wasn't he wouldn't get anywhere near a story with Clinton more popular than Reagan....oh GOD is that funny.

The book that will be written on W will not be pretty. In 10 years (max) he will have the entire weight of 9/11 BLAME on top of him.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:54 PM
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22. In reality, the book shouldn't be over thirty five pages and that
might be stretching it bit.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:14 PM
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33. It would take more than 35 pages just to cover the Bushisms alone.
http://www.slate.com/id/76886
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:25 AM
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34. You do have a point, then after his bushisms and war crimes
which would be many many pages, then add 32 more.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:16 AM
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40. It will be one of the 5 shortest books ever...
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 03:17 AM by Seabiscuit
along with such titles as: "Famous negroes I've met while yachting with Poppy off Kennebunkport" and "A compendium of Ken Lay's business ethics" and "How I tracked down Osama Bin Laden dead or alive"
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:06 PM
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7. I'd like to see the questions.
If the actual question had been "do what he felt was the right thing", then that last figure would make sense. Certainly no-one could ever accuse this president of going against his principles to pander to the wishes of the American people.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:17 PM
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9. question should have been phrased -
"do what he/his cabal wants despite democracy"
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:41 PM
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13. Given that what he considers his "principles" are things most consider
to be "character defects" such as greed and rage and sneakiness.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:16 AM
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62. Pandering vs. the American people's will and desire.
We, the citizens of this country, are his employer. He sure doesn't act like someone who cares what the boss thinks. MKJ
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:12 PM
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8. Other Polls Have Suggested...
Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt (2), and Clinton, as well as JFK & Reagan.

My vote



1st Best & Most Popular: FDR! Best ever! He held 3 terms. That's 16 years. No President's ever held the popular vote for so long.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt

2nd Runner-Up: JFK. Hands-down.

3rd Runner-Up: Clinton. Best years our country ever had in our current lifetime. The economy was never better, he kept many terrorists from major attacks on our soil, and abroad, was a Rhodes Scholar (as was JFK), and actually spoke with "we the people." He had a brain, *sigh*

Reagan wasn't very bright, and a puppet for the early stages of neo-con, cronyism. We all know where that has led us.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:24 PM
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12. Ummmm
1st Best & Most Popular: FDR! Best ever! He held 3 terms. That's 16 years. No President's ever held the popular vote for so long.


Check your math! Three terms would be 12 years, not 16.
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cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:51 PM
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15. Actually, he did win 4 terms.
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 05:03 PM by dubyadubya3
But he only lived through 2+ months of his 4th term. So, 4 terms for FDR = 12 years and 2+ months.

Truman carried out the rest of FDR's term plus 4 on his own. So, the dem.'s controlled the WH for 20 years! Ike then ruined the party, so to speak.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:00 PM
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18. It's Been A Long, Tiring Day.
Sorry about that.

Yes, 12, not 16. Thanks hyphenate. Are you a prior English Professor? :)

:hi:
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:22 PM
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28. No,
but I should be, I suppose!

:)
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:21 AM
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36. FDR was elected FOUR times - held FOUR terms.
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #8
49. Yeah!
FDR #1 !!!
Best President ever!
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:21 PM
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11. And the W stands for ...
Worst President ever!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:50 PM
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14. Bellicose.
ready or inclined to quarrel, fight, or go to war

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861589869

Not a flattering character trait, to say the least.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 04:56 PM
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16. I would love to see a ranking as to perceived intelligence!
:evilgrin:
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 05:11 PM
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17. While the paper is Australian the poll was
"The survey was conducted by the Chicago-based National Qualitative Centres, a marketing research company, as part of research for a forthcoming book on popular preferences, one of its authors, Ken Berwitz, said."
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cmutt Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:02 PM
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19. Reagan's problem

You want to know what Reagan's problem is? There just isn't enough stuff named after him. I'm sure if they renamed a piece of our currency, a couple of airports, a few highways, and several gov't buildings in his honor, then the public would have a higher opinion of him. Lol..
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:03 PM
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20. Oughta stop those right-wing Carter jokes dead...
Must be grim when you have to besmirch a peacetime POTUS to feel good about your own asshat-in-command.
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 07:22 PM
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21. That last question is a load of shit
This president has so far been incapable of doing the right; but rather inexorably seeks out and manages to do the worst thing.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:03 PM
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23. Quoth Johnny Drama: "VICTORY!"




The Clenis is triumphant again, bested only by an older, more experienced rival.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:08 PM
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24. Oh, but Reagan is the Greatest AMERICAN ever.
Remember?
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:03 PM
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31. Greatest Form of Life Ever...
I thought. Arn't they renaming us the "reagan race?"

...this congress will certainly try.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:15 AM
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35. It's amazing that he beat out Martin Luther King Junior.
Simply amazing.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:17 PM
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25. he wouldn't know the 'right thing'


if it paraded before him nekkid. he hasn't done anything right, by my standards, EVer.
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 08:47 PM
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27. JFK would've had bigger problems with Clinton...
...for the same reasons.

Back in the good ol' days, President's could have a little fling on the side and it was nobody's business if it didn't effect your job performance.

But of course, the right-wing murdered Kennedy too....So I don't know.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:22 AM
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41. Ah, but JFK had class - Marilyn Monroe vs. Monica Lewinsky.
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SquireJons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 06:03 AM
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42. To each his own bimbo
Personally, I prefer brunettes to store bought bleach blonds.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 09:58 PM
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30. This makes no sense. If 9% picked him,
how did he come in last?

If it's the last 10 presidents, and each president got 10% of the vote, they would all tie for first place.

Since Bush got a number very close to 10, and everyone else must have had a higher percent than W, either the votes were very, very, very close or the numbers have to add up to more than 100%.

According to the article, "John F Kennedy topped that part of the survey with 26 per cent, closely followed by Bill Clinton (25 per cent) and Ronald Reagan (23 per cent)," which only leaves 26 percent left to vote between the remaining seven presidents.

:shrug:
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #30
70. self-delete
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 05:08 PM by CAcyclist
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 01:55 AM
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37. He's reaching his proper level of mediocrity!
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:20 AM
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38. Bush "... would do the right thing...."
:wtf:

In what alternate universe is this? :shrug:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:02 AM
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39. You've misread the Australian slang
In Australian slang, "right" means "wrong".

So, when the Sydney Herald reports about Americans trusting Bush to "do the right thing", they actually mean that Americans trust Bush to "do the wrong thing".

--p!
Unfair dinkum!
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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 08:05 PM
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44. It's not that anyone is bashing Bush, but rather that...
everyone is bashing the most dangerous enemy American and freedom has ever had -- which is George W. Bush.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:01 AM
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56. Did someone commit a sin or something?
--That is Bush-bashing.--
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:01 PM
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45. So Bush is 4th or 5th HIGHEST
interesting choice of words.

"BTW, note that there were only 4 Democrats in the last 10 President, with 6
Republicans. Think about how that would skew the vote."

Oh that? THat is a question of WHO counted the Votes I'd think.. we're talking about ELECTED and not SELECTED, and for that matter Bush ain't even President, never was, never will be..

The reason that the dumbass Reagan clocks like that is SHEER media spin for DECADES.. I know, I was there and I watched them use the media to create an incredible bullshit factor..

He was sick and retarded and everyone knew it.

Do YOU call your wife MOMMY?
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:35 PM
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48. Try this math
9% ranked him best, 93% put him somewhere lower. If enough of the 93% feel that he is #10, and the remaining 6 are randomly dispersed above him, there is no contradiction in saying that Bush was ranked worst overall, but achieved a #1 ranking from 9% of the people. The overall ranking is different from the number of #1 rankings that each received.

Reminds me of the poll in which 49% said Bush was a uniter, while 49% said he was a divider. So which is he? Is he somewhere in between because half said he was a uniter and half said he was a divider?


BTW, Bush believes he is a uniter, because everyone knows he can't divide.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:33 AM
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58. more than 1 answer possible
Respondents were probably asked to list 2 or 3 prefs.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:51 PM
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66. The above poster misunderstood the statistics behind the poll
It's not relevant to add up the percentages of respondents.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:06 PM
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71. Different methodology
Easily explained - the question asks you to rank each president from 1 to 10 - they are assigned weighted scores - presto, math explained.
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Barkley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:12 PM
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47. Take away the $ and name and let Bush start life where Clinton did
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 09:40 PM by Barkley
and Bush would never become president... of ANYTHING!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:46 PM
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50. Gerald Ford is tap dancing right now.
"I'm not last! I'm not last!"
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SweetCrunchyGranola Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:49 PM
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51. Now that's funny!
I bet he's strolling arm-in-arm with Dewey. :D
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:57 PM
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52. Did I miss something? Why would he walking with a dead man?
I mean, he tripped on a couple of occaisions, but I'm thinking that he's not about to drag a corpse around the golf course with him.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:50 AM
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53. Yesterday FOX News Boston said Bush is the best companion in a
"survivor" type of situation in an isloated island according a poll...I didn't know which poll they were talking about...The TV anchors seemed to be truly joyful about that poll result...
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:16 AM
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57. I don't agree
if you had to eat him the overpowering stench and taste of bullshit would leave you starving, and he wouldn't be good for much else, maybe Bait..
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:09 AM
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60. No doors, no pretzels, no bikes on a desert island...
at least * would have less accidents!
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:50 AM
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54. I would like to know what this 23% liked about Reagan.
Besides...single handedly ending the Cold War.:eyes:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:11 AM
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61. the gang of four


THE CHIMPANZEE



THE PRINCESS



THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN




THE EVIL DARK PSYCHOPATH
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 03:07 PM
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67. Quick, put his face on Mount Rushmore.
My father was horrified to discover that the San Jose airport has been renamed George Bush, or something like that. One or the other. Father, son. Either way, in the SF bay area, this is pretty odd.
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hundred6 Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 05:15 PM
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72. if you want to piss off a conservative...
just remind them that clinton left office with a higher job approval rating than reagan.

gets'em every time!!

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