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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:29 AM
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US Senate overruled: Visa hike spiked
US Senate overruled: Visa hike spiked

Agencies
Posted online: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 1206 hours IST
Updated: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 at 1509 hours IST

Washington, December 20: A Senate-passed measure to provide additional foreign worker visas in high-tech and specialty fields has been dropped from a budget bill, disappointing technology and manufacturing companies in search of skilled workers.

The Senate plan would have allowed 30,000 more of the popular H1-B visas each year and increased fees for those visas to help trim the budget deficit. Congress capped the six-year H-1B visas at 65,000 per year in 2004. The cap already has been reached for the fiscal year that began on October 1.

The Senate language also would have allowed 90,000 more employment-based green cards that offer permanent residency to skilled workers and added fees for those.

Critics contend the visas give foreigners high-level jobs that should go to American workers, and some Republicans in the House of Representatives opposed the plan, as a backdoor way to boost immigration.
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http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=60213

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 06:40 AM
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1. in search of skilled workers my ass
in search of cheap slave labor is more like it.

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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:15 AM
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2. no kidding! reminds me what * said yesterday; "I hope people
can find jobs" sounding so somber. I was sure he had drifted off his talking points since it seemed to contradict his 'our economy is really humming!' stance
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:42 PM
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10. $8.35 an hour and no benefits
They will hire you in a flash to do most technical work
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:43 AM
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3. dumbing down with a 'Test' education creates the demand for foreign trained
technical workers.. our graduates are only trained to take a failed test, not solve problems or do anything
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 08:53 AM
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5. don't fall for the hype...there are a great number of talented individuals
educated here in the US. I would say the majority of graduates are quite talented. We just hired a few new programmers, all US educated, and they are doing a great job.

Dumb people come in all variations and I have met foreign educated people who can't problem solve either. In fact, I have had many experiences with PhD's from other countries who have proven the old adage...Piled hirer and Deeper....


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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:21 PM
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6. I know a number of skilled nurses....
that can't find a job...why? Hospitals want cheap labour and because there is a 'shortage' they get away with importing and underpaying nurses. The only shortage is one of nurses refusing to work in patient unsafe hospitals.
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Tiberius Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:42 PM
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7. Huh?
Nursing is in very high demand right now.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:34 PM
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8. You would think....
but hospitals want to give health care on the cheap (ie make more profit by cutting labour costs). They do not want to pay nurses for their skill and education (they prefer to have years of experience but pay you starting wages). The other way they cut costs is to pile a greater number of patients on the nurse-which is VERY unsafe for the patients. They put the token ad in the paper. Nurses come in but are never 'qualified' enough or they lowball the salary. They then go back to the staff and say...we tried to higher another Nurse for you, but we have a shortage. In fact, experienced Nurses know to go directly to the head Nurse of a unit to inquire about a job, most HR places are THAT bad. These same heath care corps go to congress and ask to make an exemption to 'import' these cheaper Nurses in. Nurse wages have been depressed totally during the 90's and only started going up the last 4 years. You may start out well but after 10 yrs, your wages flat line.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:56 AM
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4. There are plenty of people here in the u.s. who have tech and
manufacturing skills. However, the skills are in the hands and minds of people over 21 who would prefer to make more than $9 an hour w/o benefits since so many of us have years of experience and knowledge. Oh yeah, and some of us are female.

Perhaps the tech and manufacturing companies need to change their search parameters.

:evilfrown:

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:40 PM
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9. And Dick 'the Grinch' Cheney voted to cut student aid!
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 01:41 PM by progressivebydesign
You can't have it both fucking ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grr:

Are most americans just complete fucking idiots??????????????????????

They all whine about jobs going overseas, about wages stagnating or declining, health care costs, etc., and then they keep electing these heartless bastards who not only try to increase foreign workers, give tax fucking breaks to US companies that send breadwinner jobs overseas, AND they cut even MORE funding to help students with college (since college tuition has skyrocketed in the past 10 years, while wages have declined!!). They keep electing these assholes!! AND.. the fallacy that only high skilled technical jobs are going overseas lately is just that.. a fallacy. Even if you remove the manufacturing jobs, now customer service, telemarketing, and support jobs are going overseas as well. I shouldn't be this fucking angry so close to Christmas... but Dick The Dick Cheney and his cohorts are pissing me off!
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