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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:55 AM
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Venezuela gives Exxon ultimatum
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 09:56 AM by cal04
Venezuela has given the world's biggest oil company, ExxonMobil, until the end of this year to enter a joint venture with the state. Failure to do so will almost certainly result in Exxon losing its oil field concessions in the country.

Venezuela's socialist government has now signed new agreements with almost all foreign petroleum companies. After months of pressure from left- wing leader Hugo Chavez most foreign oil firms working there have caved in.

They have agreed to hand over a controlling stake of their oil interests to the Venezuelan state. This means that Venezuela, which has the world's largest petroleum reserves, now calls the shots in what the foreign guests can and cannot do. In addition, the companies which have signed the new contracts - such as Chevron, BP, Shell and Total - will in future be presented with much higher tax bills by the government.

Foreign unease

But Venezuela says it is only fair that the foreigners are made to pay up as they have got away lightly in the past. Much of the oil revenue in Venezuela goes into social projects in shanty towns and poor rural areas. But the US oil giant, ExxonMobil, is digging in its heels and is so far refusing to agree to the terms of the new deal. Exxon risks losing Venezuelan operations if it fails to comply.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4544390.stm
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=47493
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:57 AM
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1. Give Them Hell, Chavez!
Show the Democrats here how a real leader of, by and for the people looks, sounds, and acts!
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:58 AM
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2. Kick them out!
Show them that the people are in control, not ExxonMobile. They've got enough money and reserves elsewhere they can stew a bit and then beg to be allowed back in.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 09:59 AM
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3. Wow
Way to go Venezuela. That's how you deal with these bastards.
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:49 AM
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15. AGREED
Venezuela has a real leader. Our politicians in this country could sure learn a lot from Chavez.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:01 AM
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4. The Exxon Exxecutives
Need the money for themselves,they can't worry their beautiful minds about people in shanty towns.Don't they know wealthy exxecs got that way by exxploitng poor people and stealing their resources?
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:06 AM
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5. I guess push is coming to shove.......
We'll just add this to the list of pesky "details" the chimp has to attend to.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:06 AM
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6. I call bullshit!
on this line from the story "Venezuela's socialist government . . ."

Last I checked, Venezuela was still participating the in the capitalist marketplace.

If, however, we can call them "Socialists," well, that's just one step from creeping commnism.

ExxonMobil thinks they can wait out Chavez until a crony capitalist retakes the leadership. That, or help him have an "accident." (nudge-nudge/wink-wink)
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:13 AM
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7. Some don't exactly see a bit of socialism as a bad thing.
Just FYI. :)

First Cuba, now Venezuela, Brazil, and most recently Bolivia have shifted to the left. To bad for Dubya there's no Operation Condor to bail the US out this time around.

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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:25 AM
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10. I don't have a problem w/ it
at all, but when it's used in the MSM, it's code for the mouthbreathers. It means "dangerous." It means "anti-American." It means "needs invading."
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:20 AM
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8. Wouldn't it be great if they are so arrogant that they refuse to go
along and end up without any access to Venezuelas oil? LMFAO :rofl:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:23 AM
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9. Would you give an inch to this man?
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 10:50 AM by gulfcoastliberal


Fuck you, Mister Raymond.

Myabe he's hoping the CIA rubs out Mr. Chavez, engaging in prayer sessions with radical Mullah Pat Robertson.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:30 AM
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11. "Venezuela's socialist government"
Just what makes Venezuela a socialist government? Talk about out and out LIES. Venesuela is even more Democratic than the USA currently is...
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:38 AM
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13. See my tagline n/t
That's what Chavez talks about.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:48 AM
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14. Venezuela has a socialist government, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Socialism and "democracy" are fully compatible. Indeed, Venezuela could amend its constitution to become a socialist state, in which social rights are enhanced, and that would be a democratic choice.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:57 AM
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20. why don't they say "the United States corporate government"
or at least "capitalist government" as well as the united states "right-wing leader"

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 10:38 AM
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12. Why can't *we* do that?
:wow:
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:39 AM
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18. Damn right. But nooo -- we give them free rein to our natural resources,
as if THEY own them. Well, they do.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:24 AM
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16. No doubt Bush is in the background of this refusal, promising
Exxon/Mobil that if they continue their defiance of Chavez, the U.S. will either assassinate Chavez in a coup (remember how the CIA put Pinochet in power in Chile?) or simply conquer Venezuela.

Now of course we see the evil genius in the Big Oil/Big Automotive scheme that destroyed U.S. public transport -- especially electric-powered transport -- after World War II: by making the United States helplessly, hopelessly survival-dependent on the internal combustion engine and on petroleum (diesel-powered buses make up the vast majority of U.S. mass transit), the public is now forced to choose between supporting fascism (here again proven to be the ultimate expression of capitalism) or -- very literally -- facing starvation.

Which which may just be the final proof the U.S. has passed the point at which it can liberate itself from its oppressors.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:32 AM
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17. Venezuela now part of the Axis of Evil
CHAVEZ, DICTATOR, WMD, TERROR, 9/11, CASTRO
CHAVEZ, DICTATOR, WMD, TERROR, 9/11, CASTRO
CHAVEZ, DICTATOR, WMD, TERROR, 9/11, CASTRO
CHAVEZ, DICTATOR, WMD, TERROR, 9/11, CASTRO
CHAVEZ, DICTATOR, WMD, TERROR, 9/11, CASTRO
Hey, don't look behind the curtain!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:05 PM
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26. LOL, you beat me to it. "They have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"
They're destroying our profits!! Save our profits! Fight for freedom of oil executives (and me) to make trillions unchecked! Spread democracy to the peepul of Venezuela who can't have the wonderful freedom to be under the thumb of the oil companies!
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 11:45 AM
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19. More evidence that Bush is a Uniter. Uniting all of SA against US.

Now the majority of South America leans socialist, like most of the rest of the world, at least those not controlled by American interests.

One must wonder "who's next"? How about us? Will the sheeple ever stop drinking the coolaid long enough to realize what's really in their interest?
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VirginiaDem Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:18 PM
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21. Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves?
Don't the Saudis have the the largest by far? What am I missing here?
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:00 PM
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22. Ah-hemmmmm....
This means that Venezuela, which has the world's largest petroleum reserves, now calls the shots in what the foreign guests can and cannot do.


Should read, "world's fifth largest..."
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Flanker Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:07 PM
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29. Depends on what standards you use
Traditional reserves are the 5th or something largest at 77 Billion barrels, If you include extra-heavy oil they stand as the biggest in the world at 250 Billion, that is why foreign companies are there to provide the tecnology needed to tap the extra heavy reserves efficiently. The goverment's goal is 5 million barrels a day up from 3 today.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:19 PM
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23. Folks, I'd say it's Showdown at the O-K Corral.
Look at the timing Chavez gave them: till the end of the year. That's only about 1 week away. That's not a long time to make up their minds.

Prediction: they'll go along with it. They'll complain and moan. But without their revenue source, they're sunk. Last year, Chavez hit them with some pretty high taxes. I think around 17%. The oil companies bitched and complained, but they paid.

So I think they will go for it. But at the same time, they will be plotting his assassination. Don Rumsfailed is getting a phone call, right about now.:smoke:

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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:32 PM
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24. Iran, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia
So much oil wealth, so few legions with which to invade.

Kinda like the plot from Syriana, isn't it.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:02 PM
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25. "Folks, we have added Venezuela to the Axis of Eevil"
"There's TERRER there! We will be sending troops in to free the Venezuelan peepul from the clutches of the brutal dictator, Hugo Chavez!"
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:12 PM
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27. A kick to the top. Viva La Chavez.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 02:36 PM
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28. I wish OUR leaders were that tough with fat cats.
*sigh*
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 03:39 PM
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30. I don't believe those low-lifes, Exxon, have paid
Edited on Tue Dec-20-05 03:46 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
the $5 billion punitive damages for the Exxon Valdez oil spill yet in Prince William Sound. Ongoing appeals since 1999, I believe.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 04:04 PM
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31. Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
:rofl:
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 04:59 PM
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32. chavez kicks ass!
Nobody is perfect but it sure seems like he is honestly trying to get a fair shake for the poor people of his country whos natural resorces have been exployted by countries like ours for so long.

Hope Exxon looses everything. Would serve them right.
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