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Thom Little Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:29 AM
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Federal appeals court upholds Kentucky Ten Commandments display
A federal appeals panel ruled Tuesday that a courthouse in central Kentucky can keep its display of the Ten Commandments because other historical documents also are included.

The ruling by a three-judge panel for the U.S. 6th Circuit Court upholds a lower court decision that found the display at the Mercer County courthouse in Harrodsburg is constitutionally acceptable.

The panel said the Commandments are viewed alongside nine other documents, including the Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. The font size is no different for any of them, the judges noted, and there was no attempt to put the religious document at a higher level.

"When placed on a level with other documents having such unquestioned civil, legal and political influence, the Commandments' own historical significance becomes more pronounced," Circuit Judge Richard Suhrheinrich wrote for the panel.


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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:44 AM
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1. good
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:52 AM
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2. 'historical documents'
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:21 AM
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6. Agreed
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:25 AM
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9. Why so
Anyone not a Christian that has to go before that court can not expect fair and impartial treatment. It is so stated on the front of their building...
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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:52 AM
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10. in what way is that stated?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:00 PM
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16. In this way:
1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

3. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:07 PM
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17. Thats what I think
How can a xtian mantra, displayed alongside historical American documents, give ANY non-xtian a good feeling about the court they are walking into? The 10 commandments are bogus anyway, with only a few that actually apply to the rule of law!! Dont kill, steal or bear false witness.....
Now if they had a display of "The 3 Commandments" THAT I could agree with.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 06:55 AM
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3. The ten commandments have no relevancy
to the history of our legal system. Therefore they are out of place.
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goondogger Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:07 AM
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4. C'mon
Since when is relevancy relevant? /sarcasm

The decalogue is inherently religious and has no bearing on our current civil/criminal code. The fact that there is some overlap does not equate to any causal relationship.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 07:20 AM
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5. I wonder if they will allow quotes
at that courthouse of any of the founding fathers saying that the United States was not founded on the Christian religion?
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:58 AM
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11. My thought too.....it's only historical because it's religious
Or do they prosecute adultery and flipping off one's pops in Kentucky?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 08:17 AM
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7. Damn them
Another brick removed from the wall.

Every brick that's removed, no matter how small, weakens the whole structure. Every step toward a theocracy, no matter how small, is a step toward a theocracy. The fundies understand that perfectly well.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 08:34 AM
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8. another nail in the coffin of religious freedom
I wonder if we could set up the Maha Bharat on the walls along with the 10 Commandments...it predates them by several thousand years...much more historical and just as "relevant"
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:00 AM
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12. Usually, a display is with symbols of other RELIGIONS, not civil docs.
Instead of equating a manger and a menorah in a display, it equates the ten commandments and the dec of independence----which is historically laughable and seems only an attempt to make the t.c. what it is not, a document stating the ideals and aspirations of americans as opposed ot God's Say-so in a specific religious tradition.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:45 PM
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19. Exactly! That's the usual analysis in determining whether there's
an establishment of religion - is one religion being touted above another. This is just weird but in the past couple years there's almost an assumption that it's christianity vs the constitution, as opposed to christianity vs other people's religions.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:54 AM
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13. What the hell, the 10 commandments
aren't followed anymore anyway. We commit adultry, covet asses, especially well toned Hollywood asses, disrespect our parents, lie like dogs, worship the buck instead of one god, murder,steal,bear false witness,work on sunday,worship graven images,invoke the name of god in vain.
It isn't working, it IS history.
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:37 AM
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14. Seems they're breaking the 3rd one
"Thou shalt not use my name in vain" thing.

I firmly believe that when God handed the tablets to Moses, he didn't mean it to be a Federal building ornament or a historical document. I guess He wanted us to follow it. Just my guess. O8)
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:56 AM
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15. Amen, brother. n/t
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 12:27 PM
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18. Why are these 10 "commandments" so important to fundies anyway?
For example, don't pay attention to other gods. jesus, was that written and worried about a long, long, long time ago.
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