This is HUGH!! -Ex-UK envoy to Uzbekistan goes public on TORTURE!!!

I don't know if this was already posted today as a headline but here you go. Also this started today in one of many blogs including DU see here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5711124&mesg_id=5711124

this is a link where you can follow the information.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/telegrams/feed/

Peace.

Freedom is not long for him.

It's about as subtle as a main battle tank.

Remember Rachael Correy. Here is another hero.

that is the question - do the MSM journalists protect their own when they are brave enough to publish such things?

If enough people in the know release information about illegal actions (govt accepting intel it knows was obtained through torture) then the tide of public opinion can be turned and those who ignore the laws of the land can be brought to justice.

If not - then we are truly screwed.

...I doubt the American or the English (U.K.) News-wires would dare publish this.

"disgraced author CLAIMS...'

or

"unproven claims by discredited author..."

or

"disgruntled..."

there remains some hope of some papers reporting bloggers defying the UK law but no TV news channel has run it yet. No online mentions on MSM either.

...and Amnesty International-USA, If they don't already know about these letters, I'm sure they would be interested.

Also, the poor guy's website (Craig Murray) is down, I doubt that's an accident.

archived in other blogs also check this link: http://www.chris-floyd.com/telegrams/feed/ to watch it blaze around the net.


Give Mommy a Kiss....."

...by MI6 and will probably spend the next few months sleeping naked on the concrete floor of some 4x8 foot Prison cell, that's what I'm saying.

inflame the story.

Like the headline says this is HUGH..

Follow the story as it makes it's way around the Internets and by Friday afternoon this will be in the MSM. It only took a matter of hours for it to go from the blogosphere to the Independent in the UK.

Peace.


Give Mommy a Kiss....."

During the hourly headlines.

then this is HUGHER than HUGH.

...Headline update. I listen to all the national NPR Newscasts (except for "Day2Day" which conflicts with "Talk of the Nation") and have yet to hear it on one of those shows, maybe "Weekend Edition -- Saturday" will have it tomorrow.

When we we all wake up and realize these obvious facts?

The citizens of the US don't care!



They don't care that their government has tortured innocent people.

They don't care that their "war on terror" has slaughtered thousands of innocent children.

They don't care if their president and his cronies lied about the intelligence.

They don't care if their president has ordered illegal surveillance of US citizens.

They don't care the Bush ignored repeated warnings about Bin Laden.

They don't care if their right to vote has been corrupted.

They don't care that the 9-11 commission recommendations have not been implemented.

They don't care that the White House leaked the name of an undercover CIA operative.

They don't care that Bush vowed to fire anyone implicated in that heinous act yet keeps Rove at the helm.

They don't care that the House of Representatives illegally holds voting open and twists arms until the get the outcome they desire.

They don't care that taxpayer dollars have been spent buying propoganda from alleged journalists.

They don't care that the NY Times behaves like a wholly owned subsidiary of BushCo.

They don't care that their parents and grand-parents can't afford their medication while big pharma grows fatter and fatter.

They don't care that there is no opposition party in the US.

They don't care that bloated bodies of US citizens littered NOLA because Brownie was too interested in his pet's grooming to prepare the response to Katrina.

They don't care that Cheney has personally grown exceedingly wealthy as a direct result of the war on Iraq.

They don't care if their government holds innocent brown people in Gitmo for years without trail.

They don't care if oil companies have the most obscenely huge profits ever recorded in the history of the world.

What do they care about?

"How much is a gallon of gas, can gays get married, and which candidate would I prefer to have a beer with."

This is "huge"? Sorry, I've heard that before. I am afraid that there will be more terrorist attacks on US soil and more civilians being killed before the people of the United States are forced to take a long look at what their government has been doing.

that's not very nice to rant like that in somebody else's thread... especially when someone has gone to the trouble to leak documents that they want spread.

What are you talking about "somebody else's thread"? The thread isn't private. It's open to contributions from members of DU of which I am one.

The left in the US is chasing a brass ring on a carousel, with the next big revelation always just ahead. The revelations comes and not a damn thing changes. Period.

things do change...all the time. You seem to prefer to bang your head against the wall. Perception is reality...and we all have days when our perception is ugly, and hope is gone. I prefer on those days to allow others to 'spread the truth'...as 'spreading my dis-ease' seems neither productive, nor something I choose to do. To make any difference out there...I have to make a difference right here...where I live. Doing what I can...which is not much...but it's better than nothing. If I feel it's a waste of my time to bother... I don't.

The people of the United States of America DO NOT CARE! about anything I cited.

Show me evidence to the contrary.



I think you're the one banging your head against a wall and refusing to see the truth. It's the 'tiny ripples of hope" that keep people complacent and resistant to action.

life sucks and then you die...better?

The people of the United States suck.

That's the point you're missing. You have to accept it before you can "hope" to change it.

I've lost count.

I believe many are meant to play the role of the New Jersey Generals. The are the dive takers, the 'loyal' opposition. Its sickening how this game is being played.

Truth sucks, doesn't it.

It doesn't take away anything from this thread or what the poster listed.

what a gnat would shit of a difference?

Please re-check your syntax - I think I understand what you're trying to say, but that sentence is pretty botched.

I do see your view because I too feel frustrated, but I know
in my heart when the good hearted galvanize good things will
happen.

You don't do anything!!

"Let's write some terse letters to the editor, by God!"

"Let's sign an online petition, darn it!"

"Let's all phone a talk radio show!"

"Let's express our outrage in an online forum!"

"Quick! DU this CNN online poll! That'll show 'em we mean business!"


The good-hearted are on the verge of being completely destroyed.

The Congress is IN ON IT- complicit, silent and
corrupt.
I'm with you Toucano and will go you one further.
People get the government they deserve.
At this point, the ONLY thing that could even faintly
save this country is firing EVERYONE, and let's face it-
it aint gonna happen.
BHN

I don't even know if firing everyone would help because who would replace them?

The problem is with the PEOPLE of the United States who tolerate their rotten government. Like the German people of the 1930's, they have been manipulated and transformed into something monstrous. The outcome will be similar. Of course, the part of the US that remains rational and good-hearted will suffer equally if not more.

Witness the tacit approval of the illegal spying on US citizens. 64% of the people say, "It's okay. They're not spying on me, they're spying on those brown people with strange names who threaten our society." Reminds me of, "It's okay. Hitler's only rounding up the Jews, and they're the big threat to our society."

Sizeable minorities of Americans still believe Saddam Hussein had "strong links to al Qaeda," a Harris Interactive poll shows, though the number has fallen substantially this year.

About 22% of U.S. adults believe Mr. Hussein helped plan 9/11, the poll shows, and 26% believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded. Another 24% believe several of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis, according to the online poll of 1,961 adults.

However, all of these beliefs have declined since February of this year, when 64% of those polled believed Mr. Hussein had strong links to al Qaeda and 46% said Mr. Hussein helped plan 9/11. At that time, more than a third said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and 44% said several of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis.

Currently, 56% of adults believe Iraqis are better off now than they were under Mr. Hussein, down from 76% in February. Nearly half of those polled say they believe Iraq, under Mr. Hussein, was a threat to U.S. security, down from 61% in February.

See the full results of the Harris poll:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB113579153636833083-Xd1XL6NfsXVhzTL0_JKthJ9Wiic_20061229.html

The Media in this country tell them not to care. The majority of the people in the US hardly watch the news, and if they do the media does not cover these stories. The real news has disappeared in this country. The CNN we get in the states is completely different than what is broadcast Internationally for example.

People look to the media outlets to see if something is important. People look to the media to see what they should be feeling, what they should be thinking. The media in this country does it's best to support this EVIL Bush administration by not focusing on everything you mentioned, downplaying it, or playing it off as "politics" The media has the bullhorn and the spotlight to expose injustices and to keep the government accountable. They are simply another arm of the government now.

Many Americans care about their own daily existence. Will they be able to afford the rent or mortgage payment next month. Gas is important too since in this country you have to have a car to do almost anything. it's all spread out, you can't just walk down the street and go to the store, or movies or whatever in most cases.

Even if there were more attacks on American soil, it would change NOTHING. It would make things much much much worse for the rest of the world. You think it's bad now, just wait if there is another strike , heaven forbid. The media in the country would whip up this nation into a frenzy that Americans would be clamoring for nuking the rest of the planet. The media would do the same thing it did on 911.....they would completely omit any discussion that had to do with why we were attacked. It would be another "they hate us for our freedoms" mantra...going unchallenged.

I fear that people will only wake up when the media decides to wake them up. Or we will wake up and it will all be too late.

People know the truth. They rationalize the brutal policies because of their own fear and selfishness. Even in countries where the media was completely and blatantly state dominated, the people knew the truth and fought to change their bad governments. Not in the United States.

Those cars you say are so absolutely necessary have radios that are tuned to Rush Limbaugh because he makes his doomed, fatted calf listeners believe they can someday be as obscenely wealthy as he is. All they have to do is stick to the same selfish policies he advocates. They know it's wrong, yet the choose, CHOOSE to belive it. Just as the German people chose to believe the lies that blamed all their problems (which were real) on the Jews. "I'm not happy because of welfare recipients!" "I'm bald because the those jerks in congress funded inner-city basketball!" "My wife left me because of the death tax!" "If more single inner-city mothers were sent to work in low paying jobs, I'd be thinner and my teeth would be whiter." Blame all your troubles on someone else, right?

Poverty is also no excuse. The people of El Salvador, Nicaragua, Ecuador, and Venezuela are among the poorest in the world and they are managing to change their governments and improve the conditions of the people. Well, in truth, in some cases it would be more accurate to say "struggling" to change their governments. The US isn't even doing that, with the exception of a few pockets of activists who lack leadership, cohesion, and vision.

I disagree with our prediction about the consequences of another 9-11. This is the government that promised to make the people safer. Another attack (heaven forbid) would actually make the fat selfish ignorant pigs who support the Bush regime question their own judgment, what they've been told, what they believe.

Just like a junkie or an alcoholic, the first step is recognizing you have a problem. The people of the United States must hit rock bottom to recognize they have a problem and then, like the aforementioned junkie, they must recognize that they have only themselves to blame. And that they are the only ones who can change it.

I don't look for either to happen anytime soon.

Trust me. It's the people of the United States' fault because they couldn't give a shit what their government does. AND THEY NEVER REALLY HAVE!!!

hope is slim

Frankly, I have lost count of the atrocities that have come
to light, and frankly I have no hope of anything coming of any of it.
I believe the neocons could eat live kittens on national
TV and NOTHING would come of it.
Sorry, but I do.
In case you haven't noticed- the foxes are guarding the hen house.
BHN

britain is skunked and so is America...
Europe will be calling Bush a war criminal soon...

NOTHING- absolutely NOTHING.
As it has been with EVERY criminal act committed by
these abberations of humanity that has come to light.

Seriously, I believe they could rape dogs on national
TV and NOTHING would come of it.

BHN

They love the shock and awe of it all.
It turns them on.

This is my friend perversity at its finest!!!

...and stop saying "nothing will come of anything anytime that anyone does to anybody ever."

That's just not true.

History bears this out...it simply is not true.

Patience. Patience. And will.

And truth to power.

Although this quote is ascribed to Edmund Burke, he did not himself say this...however that does not detract from its intrinsic truth:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Get to your feet. That would be a miracle right there.

Become involved. Another miracle!

Know that nothing happens instantly.

But ANYTHING is possible.

Do no go gentle into that black night.

Rage, rage against the dying of liberty's light.

Sometimes cynicism is counterproductive. I do feel there is enough people to change our current situation. And after speaking to a few older folks I began to realize how significant we are. After all, they were WWII Vets. They have been there and they are waiting for us to do our duty by fighting back. They didn't sacrifice their lives so that we could just sit around and complain that nothing ever gets done.

Everyone needs to keep their chin up, no matter what!

stand up for me" - not quoted exactly how moral goes but something like that.

I would rather go down standing up for myself and other people/moral rights, than go down doing nothing.

And now it is time or the comon man to stand on his own
two feet and represent himself and his loved one.

From my blog LiveHive where you can read the entire text of the memos.

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LiveHive - Breaking the Silence: Bloggers Post the UK/US/Uzbekistan Torture Memos

Braving arrest, bloggers have broken the UK’s unholy law of silence with the truth about torture.

If there is no longer a free Western mainstream investigative press willing to publish truth to power, there is no shortage of brave and intrepid souls that carry the illuminating torch of freedom of speech via the Internet.

Bloggers are mass publishing the leaked UK/US/Uzbekistan Torture Memos.

These memos are evidence and memorandum of record outlining the rendition and torture of prisoners of the US, in Uzbekistan, all with the willing cooperation of the UK PM.

And these documents are heart-stopping. Read and have your breath and blindness taken away.

The memos are the correspondences of Craig Murray.

Craig Murray was the United Kingdom's ambassador to Uzbekistan.

That is Murray was the ambassador (according to BlairWatch.co.uk) until his complaints and protest at the use of intelligence gained by torture got too much for Jack Straw and the Foreign Office.

At which time Straw went "all Rovian on Murray" and set about attempting to unsuccessfully smear him in the press.

Unfortunately, Straw was able to successfully remove Murray him from office.

Yet the bloody ink of these memos stain the Bush/Blair unholy marriage indelibly.

Below find the chilling text of the memos...it's like the US and the UK were playing at making the movie "Hostel" their realpolitik inspiration. Stain upon bloody stain.

Men boiled alive...so that they would say what the US needed a "terrorist" to say...manufacturing "Orange Alerts"...stealing elections with lies and fear.

Read the memos. Then listen closely.

Can you now hear the screams of the tortured?

Can you now hear the howls from Downing Street and the White House of "Out, out damn spot!"

Can you now keep YOUR silence any longer?

READ THE UK / US / UZBEKISTAN TORTURE MEMOS

and let him know that Conyers needs to be aware of this if he isn't already..

Hope he picks up on it :)

Good work, thanks

It's when the courage and hope fail, when we stop talking about what really ratters, that we lose everything, including ourselves.

:yourock: :patriot:

EDITED TO ADD: Please read my post downthread and go to the links in it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2012136&mesg_id=2013611

Almost no one in the US public realizes that with the passage last week of the Graham-Levin-Kyl amendment, another rider on the Defense budget which TOTALLY UNDERMINES THE SUPPOSED ANTI-TORTURE LEGISLATION SO LOUDLY CHAMPIONED BY MCCAIN, it will become "legal" to use testimony obtained by torture. (I am assuming Bush will enjoy signing this one into "law" - no wonder he and Cheney pretended to "cave" on resisting the anti-torture legislation - they got what they wanted through this almost-secret back-door. And McCain knew all about it.) In addition, victims would be forbidden to ever sue or even tell about their being tortured, and they could be held for YEARS without access to US courts. This supposedly applies just to Gitmo, but of course, people could be sent there. And with rendition and secret prisons, the supposed ban against torture is moot anyway.

We must EXPOSE what they have done in the Graham-Levin-Kyl amendment. It is obviously unconstitutional and it must and will be fought.

"president" Islam Karimov is far and away the worst human rights abuser in the world.

Of course, the US has a base there and has given him lots of money- but even the Bush administration has its limits, and last I heard, the US got kicked out over some refugee issues.

is and was at the time they started things up with him, and sending workers and military to his country. This man is beyond all doubt the most fiendish character you're likely to hear about, ever, and they couldn't have loved him more. The only thing which soured them, caused them to think they had to make a public distancing from the man was his slaughter of demonstrators last year, drawing even more public attention to himself.




Victoria Clark, Douglas Feith, Rumsfeld

You got that right, Judi!

This is horrible and embarrassing.

up

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/



also remember to check this link out for updates of the story spreading around the globe:

http://www.chris-floyd.com/telegrams/feed/

about the torturing of people by governments.

15. At the Khuderbegainov trial I met an old man from Andizhan. Two of his children had been tortured in front of him until he signed a confession on the family’s links with Bin Laden. Tears were streaming down his face. I have no doubt they had as much connection with Bin Laden as I do. This is the standard of the Uzbek intelligence services.

http://chris-floyd.com/telegrams/feed/index.php#15

Scum. Bush has turned us all into scum. He must be impeached.

So I asked how many verdicts of not-guilty were there among these trials- the answer was nil. No one had ever been found not-guilty in any of the trials recorded. I raised this with the Uzbek foreign minister and he said to me “you see our system is perfect” “You have a very bad system – in your country innocent people get accused. In our country the innocent are never accused, only the guilty are accused. That’s why they are all convicted.” This of course left me greatly reassured. - Craig Murray
http://chris-floyd.com/telegrams/feed/index.php#15

http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=1004


Bush Refers to Butcher Karimov as a “Friend”


On Tuesday, President Bush was finally asked to explain his silence about the brutal massacres ordered by Uzbek dictator — and White House ally — Islam Karimov. His response was remarkable:

VAN DE HEI: Two questions about the consistency of a U.S. foreign policy that’s built on the foundation of spreading democracy and ending tyranny. One, how come you have not spoken out about the violent crackdown in Uzbekistan? …

THE PRESIDENT: …In terms of Uzbekistan — thanks for bringing it up — we’ve called for the International Red Cross to go into the Andijon region to determine what went on, and we expect all our friends — — as well as those who aren’t our friends, to honor human rights and protect minority rights.

This is the administration’s boiler plate response these days. As the New York Times points out, the White House claims it wants an investigation of the massacres, yet is “also making it clear that it intended to continue cooperating with Uzbekistan on counterterrorism.”

But referring to Karimov as a friend? Now that’s beyond the pale.

President Bush, here’s a tip: friends don’t let friends gun down hundreds of their own citizens “like rabbits” (in the words of one survivor), boil their prisoners alive, initiate police state round-ups of political activists, or run an oppressive dictatorship.

And here’s one more: any friend of a thug like Karimov is no friend of democracy.

(Posted by Nico June 2, 2005 1:50 pm)
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I never did understand the lack of outrage when we learned bush's brilliant plan to topple that evildoer Saddam included jumping into bed with a NEW evildoer. A bit hypocritical of bush, but then when ISN'T he?

I knew right away that he was selling out our nation when he marganlized our European allies because they refused to fall for his inane 'you're with us or against us' mantra and then happily proceeded to pour taxpayer money into Uzbekistan.

If bush is anything, he's consistent. He and his cronies know how to spot crimminal elements who are more than happy to make a profit on the backs of the average citizen & dnever worry about the consequences of their actions because someone else will be left to deal with the fallout.


Btw, I believe Uzbekistan finally DID cut ties with bush & ordered the American bases closed. I guess Karimov didn't want the bad publicity that follows bush around or to be involved with such an utterly incompetent group as the bush admin. have proven themselves to be.

laughing just to keep from crying, this could be Cheney's most shining quote:

"The U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq will be studied for years for their brilliance.” -Dick Cheney 10/29/04

That is so true, but perhaps not the way he meant.

Former British envoy releases 'torture' documents on web

Story is gaining more and more traction

So very humane of them. :grr:

As pissed of as I am at * and his ilk I would NEVER even consider throwing BOILING WATER on them or anyone!!!!!!!!!!

That is the work of sadists. They need to be rounded up and put in jail for life. I would do a happy dance if they all went to jail.

They are at this site, and reveal quite a bit more has happened to these prisoners than having boiling water thrown on them.

This page is horrendously sadly graphic:

HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH:

Deaths Reveal "Horror" of Uzbek Prisons

(New York, August 10, 2002) Two suspicious deaths with apparent signs of torture highlight Uzbekistan's brutal ongoing crackdown against independent Muslims, Human Rights Watch said today. The bodies of Muzafar Avazov and Husnidin Alimov, both religious prisoners at Jaslyk Prison, were returned to family members for burial in Tashkent Thursday.

Individuals who had seen one of the bodies told Human Rights Watch that it showed clear signs of torture. The authorities reportedly restricted viewing of the second body. Both men had been imprisoned at Jaslyk Prison, well-known for its harsh conditions and ill-treatment and torture of religious prisoners.

Human Rights Watch has learned that the body of Muzafar Avazov, a 35-year old father of four, showed signs of burns on the legs, buttocks, lower back and arms. Sixty to seventy percent of the body was burnt, according to official sources. Doctors who saw the body reported that such burns could only have been caused by immersing Avazov in boiling water. Those who saw the body also reported that there was a large, bloody wound on the back of the head, heavy bruising on the forehead and side of the neck, and that his hands had no fingernails.
(snip/...)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm

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Just thank the man _Bush has called our nation's "friend."

that would sure be sweet--
for Americans formerly entrusted to perform dirty deeds such as GITMO Torture,
tribunal executions,MIHOP 911, Electronic Ballot Fraud, Chimp AWOL/coke dealing coverup,
and etc., ---> the list would fill 50 pages.

ALL WE NEED IS ONE OR TWO and the Empire Dreams crumble ! ! ! !
........................then the World will get together and it's seeya PNAC.

"If we meet no gods, it is because we harbor none."

R. W. Emerson

From the documents:

Letter #2
Confidential
Fm Tashkent
To FCO

18 March 2003

SUBJECT: US FOREIGN POLICY
SUMMARY

1. As seen from Tashkent, US policy is not much focussed on democracy or freedom. It is about oil, gas and hegemony. In Uzbekistan the US pursues those ends through supporting a ruthless dictatorship. We must not close our eyes to uncomfortable truth.

DETAIL

2. Last year the US gave half a billion dollars in aid to Uzbekistan, about a quarter of it military aid. Bush and Powell repeatedly hail Karimov as a friend and ally. Yet this regime has at least seven thousand prisoners of conscience; it is a one party state without freedom of speech, without freedom of media, without freedom of movement, without freedom of assembly, without freedom of religion. It practices, systematically, the most hideous tortures on thousands. Most of the population live in conditions precisely analogous with medieval serfdom.

(more)
http://www.perfect.co.uk/2005/12/documents-the-government-doesnt-want-you-to-see

Anyone see a Rumsfeld/Hussein moment here? "Friend and ally?" Only when he does our nefarious bidding. Just like Saddam, who was propped up by Reagan/Bush for strategic reasons and tolerated until he became a liability. Then removed because he was "a bad man." How long until Karimov becomes a "bad man" to be removed by American lives.

I just put up a podcast of a very fresh radio interview (today) with Craig Murray.

Podcast is here - http://www.chris-floyd.com/loudblog/index.php?id=13

see detail of leaked documents here - http://chris-floyd.com/telegrams/feed/

I am posting this pic here because it's relevant to your comment

UPI
Indpendent
Timesonline
Aljezeera - sorry if it is spelled wrong.
Rawstory - twice

And probably a few others that I have missed.

TESTIMONY OBTAINED BY TORTURE as well as many other outrages totally undermining the supposed anti-torture legislation so loudly pushed by McCain. There is a reason why Bush and Cheney seemed to cave on opposing the anti-torture legislation - they got what they wanted through the back door, almost secretly, in this outrageous legislation, which is like the McCain Amendment, part of the Defense budget bill.

It's illegal to use testimony obtained by torture in most places, but Congress just approved this explicitly.

Read more here - be sure to go though what is posted in the replies as well. This thread was posted before the passage of the bill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5665289
thread title (12/22 GD): US BILL up this week would ALLOW TORTURE for evidence, long-term holding

UPDATE: now that the Graham-Levin-Kyl pro-torture amendment has passed, its contents almost entirely kept from the US public media, what's next? This The Nation article tells us that the fight is not over:



A must-read. The infamous passage of the Graham-Levin-Kyl outrage is NOT the end.

And of whom were you thinking? Hugh Grant? Hugh Heffner? Some other Hugh?

Sorry. I've just noticed lately a lot of people misspelling huge with followup messages like "as the headline says, this is HUGH" and nobody correcting it. I am starting to get the feeling I'm the only person on this board who knows how to spell huge.

But then, maybe you're spellcheck does not know what your doing.

The transposition of you're and your is intentional.

I started a thread and ask what HUGH and SERIES means for you in GD

You won't believe the responses you will get.



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sorry. I've just noticed lately a lot of people misspelling huge with followup messages like "as the headline says, this is HUGH" and nobody correcting it. I am starting to get the feeling I'm the only person on this board who knows how to spell huge.

But then, maybe you're spellcheck does not know what your doing.



BTW my spell check has the word(s) separated.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

See here: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Moran

Freepers or those who post to Free Republic.com usually have a spelling problem and misspell words like 'huge' (hugh), serious (series is usually followed by 1s and ! as it can only be assumed that freepers don't understand the shift key function), moron (moran)on a regular basis. Apparently their forum lacks a spell check.

these words are often coming from freepers, trolls or other right wing radicals whose spelling and English comprehension skills are wanting. DUers adopt them to spread the knowledge of how illiterate the right wingers really are.

Among them, as you will notice, are "HUGH" which is, of course, "huge," "series" for "serious," and "morans" for "morons." Also, right wingers tend to use the exclamation mark on a continual basis to show their emotion, but they will often remove their finger from the shift key during their typing, resulting in "1s" in the lineup: !!!!111!!!! is an example.

If you see an obvious word consistently being misspelled or otherwise used in an incorrect way, you need only to suspect that it is a way of making fun of posters from "the other side."

However--taking all this into account, you will find most DUers helpful, and never be afraid to ask about something if you don't know about it and remain curious. Someone will answer your question.

Sorry, couldn't resist. :evilgrin:

ain't it?

peace

Nobody cares. Yawn.

I'm sorry, but as long as the American public is 'scared' of 'them' they will turn a blind eye to all of this (and they have)

At this point, it's all just Trivia.

At best, these revelations can be kept at the ready if and only IF a true weakness emerges. But, as long as the public believes we are at 'war' they can pretty much get away with anything they want under the guise of 'saving American lives' and people will buy it.

It doesn't mean WE stop paying attention, but please stop with the "This one's gonna bring him down" - It's counterproductive. We need to be realistic. Honestly, if the last 'big one' (illegal wiretapping) didn't nail him - NOTHING at all will. I am officially disgusted with my fellow americans and really believe they deserve whatever bad things are coming to them.

What the American people feel about this is irrelevant
given the fact that our representatives might as well be
smoking crack as far as REPRESENTING US.
Without a Congress who are willing to
protect us and uphold the law, we might as well
be a colony of ants living under a rock while the elephants
stampede above us.
Face it- we have no representatives-
they are all beholden to corporate masters and
we are SCREWED.
BHN

grassroots front, U.S. Family Network, that was originally funded by "Russian oil and gas executives." And Delay was getting the IMF to provide funding.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2014067

Then you've got Yukos and all those interesting connections. UpInArms had a post about it a while back. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1831079&mesg_id=1831640

There's an awful lot of smoke. I wonder if there's a fire.

Well not this one. The one above.

phrenzy actually gets it!

Completely well said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/31/international/europe/31britain.html

Diplomat Says Britain Used Data Gotten by Torture

By ALAN COWELL
Published: December 31, 2005

LONDON, Dec. 30 - Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, has published documents on the Internet that he says prove that the British knowingly received information obtained through torture. Mr. Murray, who was forced to quit the Foreign Office last year after publicly condemning the Uzbek authorities, criticized the British and American governments in reports from Uzbekistan that he posted on the site, www.craigmurray.org.uk.

On the site is a diplomatic cable Mr. Murray says he wrote, dated July 2004. It states that Britain received "intelligence obtained under torture from the Uzbek intelligence services, via the U.S."

"We should stop," the document goes on to say. "It is bad information anyway. Tortured dupes are forced to sign up to confessions showing what the Uzbek government wants the U.S. and UK to believe, that they and we are fighting the same war against terror."

Mr. Murray also said in one document that at a meeting in London on March 8, 2003, "I was told specifically that it was perfectly legal for us to obtain and to use intelligence from the Uzbek torture chambers."

Interview and lowdown on the Murray Case - from yesterday.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/loudblog/index.php?id=13

And adds some nails in the Bush coffin being built.

And the fact that the US has been flying suspects there for torture - using extraordinary rendition is absolutely appalling.

I also have a recent video documentary online from Channel 4 on Extraordinary Rendition that was not broadcast in the US. You need Flash 8 to watch it but it's truly horrific.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/rend/

If you watch it - please comment on it... I may make this a thread on it's own. It was a lot of work converting it and I think it should be seen more.

Andrew Gilligan : Megan - we should stop calling it a war for one thing. You can't wage war on an abstraction and this isn't a problem that's solvable through military means because terrorists have no fixed assets which you can attack. Terrorism is an idea and the only way we can defeat it is intellectually and by causing those extremists to cast out those ideas. Terrorism thrives from repression. Terrorists can argue that we are no better than they are (falsely).

By SUE LEEMAN, Associated Press Writer 18 minutes ago

LONDON - A former British ambassador has published government documents he says prove that Britain knowingly received intelligence extracted under torture from prisoners in Uzbekistan.

Craig Murray, who was removed as ambassador to Uzbekistan after going public about his concerns, defied a Foreign Office ban to publish the internal memos on his Web site Friday. The documents include memos to Foreign Office chiefs in which Murray expressed his concern over the use of "torture material."

In one memo, Murray said he was told by Foreign Office legal adviser Sir Michael Wood that it was not illegal to use information acquired by torture, except in legal proceedings. Intelligence officer Matthew Kydd had also told him the intelligence services sometimes found such material "very useful indeed, with a direct bearing on the war on terror," he said.

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Hard-line President Islam Karimov had ordered the U.S. troops to leave in July after Washington joined international condemnation of a bloody government crackdown in the eastern city of Andijan that human rights groups say killed hundreds of civilians.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051231/ap_on_re_eu/britain_torture_claims;_ylt=ApxlJ2bNMGp9yYdBsMh6Q6dvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

http://tinyurl.com/aoo45

Good to see the Mainstream media beginning to take notice.

like http://tinyurl.com to shorten URL's like what you find at Yahoo. For some reason, URL's with semicolons don't work.

"There's more than one way to do it."