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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:41 AM
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Florida gets an F in science
December 30, 2005

Gov. Jeb Bush staked out a curious position on a hot-button issue last week: Florida's K-12 science standards need beefing up, he said. But Darwin's theory of evolution should not be part of them.

Had they heard, many scientists probably would have cringed.

Darwin's theory is a pillar of modern biology. And a new state-by-state analysis by an influential education foundation concludes that Florida's standards are among the worst in the nation - with a big reason being its failure to adequately explain evolution.

The report by the Washington,D.C.-based Fordham Institute calls Florida's standards "thin," "naive," "disappointing" - and in some cases, flat wrong.

"The superficiality of the treatment of evolutionary biology alone justifies the grade "F,' " it says. "But there is in any case scant mitigation elsewhere in these documents."

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/30/State/Florida_gets_an_F_in_.shtml


BushCo's dumbing down of America is alive and well in Florida.

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Coyul Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:49 AM
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1. I have been wondering
what those ID supporters are going to think when their kids can't pass a collage science class?
I 'm sure they will try to find a way to blame "Liberals" for it some how.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:19 AM
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12. if they fail, they'll blame it on the 'bias' of the test
for not asking enough ID related questions, which in turn they will blame on the 'liberal' academic environment.

You are absolutely correct.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:43 AM
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15. Who cares God will take care of them not science
:shrug:
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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:07 AM
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2. doesn't look like it's just an ID issue
"Florida has other hurdles to clear to improve science literacy, including a critical shortage in its number of highly qualified science teachers. The state will need 4,500 next year alone, yet all of Florida's universities combined are expected to produce about 200. Many districts will be forced to turn to teachers trained in other fields"
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:28 AM
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6. The main problem is the FCAT
Jeb revamped Florida's education system on the back of a paper napkin and implemented the FCAT. Every student has to take this test for reading and math. You can not graduate without passing it. Plus the amount of money your school gets depends on the school's FCAT score. The result is that the schools teach for the FCAT and not much else. What we are ending up with are kid's who can read and write but don't know how to think. Perfect little bots for Bushco's wars.

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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:28 AM
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11. Amen and that's a fact!
(so to speak)

Schools are drilling grounds spewing out voiceless robots incapable of original thought.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:30 PM
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19. You are so right about the FCAT. In my son's kindergarten class they were
already worried about the first FCAT test which is taken in the 3rd grade. If a student fails the FCAT its mandatory retention. It puts a stranglehold on teaching because all they do is teach to that test beginning in kindergarten.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:45 AM
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16. forced to turn to teachers trained in other fields"
Like theology for instance.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:53 PM
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20. Why would anyone want to go teach in Florida?
They have probably the worst test in the country and the politics are pretty messed up. No wonder they have a shortage of highly qualified Science teachers.
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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:18 AM
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3. A Damn Shame, and a to think that 36 years ago Florida
was an integral part of putting men on the moon.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:32 AM
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7. It's frustrating to think
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 08:33 AM by fujiyama
that the country that did that at one point, now has so little money invested in math and science education.

I know many on this board say that corporations use this as an excuse to export jobs, but the simple fact is that our education standards here are falling...I think many don't want to admit that.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:49 AM
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17. It's time for capable people to leave the US in a mass exodus
and leave these Bible thumping morons to their own devices. Maybe Canada would enjoy a housing boom and population doubling?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:21 AM
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4. Disgraceful
Perhaps many of the good people of Florida want to ruin their kid's education with loopy religious kookery, but surely not all. And yet all have to suffer. What shocking mismanagement. What a scandal.
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:26 AM
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5. Companion story from the St. Pete Times..
...with all sorts of irony in light of the article above. Pinellas County includes St. Petersburg and Clearwater.

St. Petersburg Times, 12/30: Poll: Evolution's not enough

Many Pinellas County parents want public schools to teach "intelligent design," the idea that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent agent, a St. Petersburg Times poll shows.

That sentiment runs contrary to Florida's current policy of teaching evolution, the theory developed by 19th century biologist Charles Darwin and accepted by nearly all scientists as the answer to how humans and other species originated and evolved.

Fifty-eight percent of the parents who said they have been following the national controversy over intelligent design told pollsters it should be taught "just like evolution."

Only 21 percent said intelligent design should not be taught. "Being Christian, I believe there is a higher power," said Jackie Shields of St. Petersburg. "I agree (with) intelligent design more than evolution. It blows my mind to think we evolved over time. There's no such thing."

More
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:22 AM
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10. What is it about "blind faith"?
It is a more romantic idea to embrace blind faith than to adopt principles based on coldhearted analysis.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:28 AM
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13. Only 21%?
Only 21% being against teaching Creationism is far worst than 58% thinking it should be taught alongside 'evolution'.

Why worst?

It means that the religious right has been very successful in appropriating social democratic concepts of 'inclusiveness' and 'diversity' and turning it against those noble goals.

This shit is getting out of hand...



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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:31 PM
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21. That poll is kind of misleading
They only asked those who said they've been following the ID vs science debate (the some or lot responses) whether they thought ID should be taught in the classroom. The 58% "response" represents only 32.5% of the actual total polled. I was disappointed in the St Pete Times for that method of polling. They should have asked the whole group polled that question instead of the ones that had been following the debate.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:40 AM
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8. We were getting an F before Jeb made his idiotic statement
He just made a horrible situation worse. Can you get an F-? (and yes this scientist was paying attention and did cringe and I am sure my biology colleagues did as well).
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:04 AM
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9. So what's the ulterior motive for dumbing down America?
They're already sending all the jobs overseas. Why do they need future generations to be ignorant?
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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:28 AM
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14. Total control of the masses, that's what.
They want people to be uneducated and unable to think for themselves. Corporate media also has a hand in this. The RW'ers and elite want you to accept Fox news and their media as the gospel as your only source of information
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:16 PM
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18. Jeb Bush remains an impediment to Florida's children's education.
Another snip from the St. Pete Times:


snip

Critics say the report exposes a glaring oversight in Bush's education revamp, which has focused mostly on reading and math in early grades. It also adds urgency to a pending review of Florida's science standards, which some observers say could devolve into a culture war showdown over evolution and intelligent design.

Bush's off-the-cuff remarks came in response to reporters' questions after a hurricane-related meeting in South Florida.

Evolution "is a scientific theory and he's not opposed to it being taught in classrooms," Bush spokesman Russell Schweiss later clarified. "But he doesn't think it should be necessarily dictated in the standards."

"Oh, boy," University of South Florida chemistry professor Gerry Meisels said Thursday, when told of Bush's position. Meisels directs the state's Coalition for Science Literacy. "Frankly, the state of Florida will be embarrassed, nationally and internationally, if it takes that position."


snip


And this, on top of the news that Jeb is STILL TRYING to kill the small class-size amendment, discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5713032&mesg_id=5713032

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The Animator Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 12:30 AM
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22. In the words of Mark Twain...
I never let school get in the way of my education.

Parents, don't rely on your schools to teach your child everyrthing he or she needs to know... make sure they know the truth, and for Godsakes teachem' to think for themselves.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 01:21 AM
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23. Bush Dumbing Down America
Everything is being destroyed by these assholes.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 02:12 AM
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24. I think science ed in this whole country rates an F compared
to other countries.
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