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greenleaf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:42 AM
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Uranium suspected in Iraq merc's death
United Press International

Uranium suspected in Iraq merc's death

BAGHDAD, Dec. 29 (UPI) -- The death of a Peruvian security guard who had worked in Iraq may have been caused by exposure to depleted uranium.

Wilder Gutierrez Rubio, 38, died a few hours after arriving in Lima, Peru, on Dec. 6. Days before, he had been diagnosed with severe leukemia at Ibn Sina Hospital in Baghdad and immediately flown back to his home country,

/snip/

<http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20051228-094157-5463r>

How many places around the globe that are now contaminated by this substance?

*Bosnia
*Yugoslavia
*Iraq
*Afghanistan
*Panama(?)
*Granada(?)

Any others?
:smoke:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:34 AM
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1. Two suspect sources plus pure speculation
the Moonie UPI and WSWS.org

BAGHDAD, Dec. 29 (UPI) -- The death of a Peruvian security guard who had worked in Iraq may have been caused by exposure to depleted uranium.

Wilder Gutierrez Rubio, 38, died a few hours after arriving in Lima, Peru, on Dec. 6. Days before, he had been diagnosed with severe leukemia at Ibn Sina Hospital in Baghdad and immediately flown back to his home country, World Socialist Web Site.Org reported Wednesday.

WSWS.org said Gutierrez was part of a 200-man Peruvian contingent sent to Iraq in early October to provide security for Baghdad's Green Zone. It is widely suspected in Peru that Gutierrez's leukemia was the result of exposure to high levels of uranium in Iraq, the site said.

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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:36 AM
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2. Probably Kuwait can be added to the list.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:53 AM
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3. PhD cancer researcher lectures on depleted uranium hazards



Dr. Fasy is an Associate Clinical Professor of Pathology at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City. He has longstanding interests in carcinogenesis and environmental toxicology. In the past two years, he has lectured at conferences and university campuses on the toxic effects of inhaling uranium oxide dusts derived from depleted uranium weapons.

By the early 1900s, uranium was well recognized to be a kidney toxin. By the mid-1940s, uranium was known to be a neurotoxin. By the early 1970s, uranium was recognized to be a carcinogen based on mortality studies of uranium workers and on experiments with dogs and monkeys. The first evidence that uranyl ions bind to DNA was reported in 1949 and by the early 1990s, uranium was shown to be a mutagen. Also, in the early 1990s, uranium was shown to be a teratogen, that is, an inducer of birth defects. The toxic effects of uranium on the kidney and on the nervous system typically occur within days of exposure and radiation probably plays little or no role in mediating these effects. In contrast, the carcinogenic effects of uranium have a delayed onset. The teratogenic effects of uranium might be due to exposure of one parent prior to conception as well as to exposure of the mother to uranium early in pregnancy.

Now let us briefly consider the routes of exposure to uranium. In the context of the dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons, this means exposure to uranium oxides. By far the most dangerous route of exposure to uranium oxides is the inhalational or respiratory route. Absorption of uranium oxides through the gastrointestinal tract, the skin and the conjunctivae is possible but quite limited.

<snip>

Following impact with hard targets, uranium metal undergoes combustion releasing large quantities of very small uranium oxide dust particles into the environment.

These dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons are drastically different from the natural uranium that is normally present in rocks and soil.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4124449


And don't think that the DU contamination will be limited to Iraq and the Middle East. Check out this NASA web site and see how dust particles get mixed in the air and basically blown all around the world. Notice that in this NASA GIF animation (see link below) the general direction of the dust particles from the Middle East is to move Westwards to North Africa and from there you can see great swaths of dust migrating from the Sahara across the Atlantic to the Caribbean, Central America and the Southern US.


June 26, 2001 -- People may think of the ground under their feet as being stationary, but the soil and dust of the world is constantly on the move, blown aloft by the wind -- sometimes across entire oceans!

Now, anyone with access to the World Wide Web can watch airborne dust migrate around the globe simply by pointing their browser to the aerosol homepage for NASA's Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer, or "TOMS" for short. Although the primary function of TOMS is to monitor the ozone layer, it also measures aerosols -- that is, airborne dust, smoke, and other particulates. NASA scientists use these data to create daily maps and movies that they post online.

Our planet's atmosphere provides a transcontinental highway for dust that's been stirred up from dry soils by strong winds. Because dust particles are so small -- often less than 0.002 mm across -- they can remain aloft for days as they ride global rivers of air. Larger sand grains don't get airborne as often or for as long, but they can be pushed along the ground by the wind or washed away by water erosion.

This constant reshuffling of the world's sand and dust ties the continents together and serves as a reminder that, in the natural world, there are no political boundaries. Airborne microbes and pollen in Florida or Brazil might have come from Africa. Mineral dust in the soils of India could have blown over from Iran.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast26jun_1.htm

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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:54 AM
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8. EXCELLENT information!
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 10:55 AM by MrMonk
Those articles should be linked from all DU threads discussing . . . DU.

There's been an ongoing argument between posters who claim raditation that presents the greatest risk and those who know that the illnesses and deformaties must be due to chemical toxicity. The Faris article explains that the chemical hazards are immediate and varied.
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greenleaf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:40 AM
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12. Most succinct
exposition of the action and dangers of depleted uranium I've read.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:27 PM
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18. UN and WHO predict huge increases in worldwide birth defects & cancer
over the coming decades due to wind blown dust polluted by DU from U.S. weapons used in Europe, middle east, and SE asia.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:30 PM
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21. One good thing
The U-238 atom has the greatest mass of any found in nature. It tends to sink like a stone in air, so it is much less likely to spread as airborne dust than other materials (of course with a 4.5B-year half life, it can take its sweet time...)
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:18 AM
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4. Add the USA to the list (EOM)
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:12 AM
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7. Where else besides Vieques ?
I remember something about the Pacific North West, aI think. Also somewhere in Florida, maybe?
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greenleaf Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:17 AM
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11.  Vieques
where is that, is that the bomb range in Puerto Rico?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:42 AM
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13. There was a thread here at Democratic Underground
that told about destroyed Abrams tanks being transported across the USA via rail. I believe we bring them all back stateside. Part of the Abram's layered armor includes depleted uranium, and the military's precaution against contamination by DU dust consisted of wrapping the tanks in giant sheets of Saran Wrap. Resulting from this and other reckless failures to take minimum precautions, DU dust has been scattered across the continent.

Here's the thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=172766">Radioactive Tank No. 9 Comes Limping Home

Further, it is reasonable to suppose that our military has been firing DU projectiles here during training. Logic strongly suggests that resulting DU dust dispersal has been similar to that we have seen in wartime operations overseas.



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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:24 AM
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5. oh hell
give the rw fear-mongers a few days and they'll have folks believing it was due to HIDDEN WMD ! ! !
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:33 AM
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6. Kuwait, Chechnya n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:58 AM
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9. A lot of people around here don't really understand depleted uranium.
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 11:05 AM by TheWraith
To repeat: Depleted uranium isn't radioactive in the way that it's traditionally thought of. All that it emits is alpha particles, an extremely short range radiation which cannot even penetrate human skin. DU's risk is by heavy metal poisoning, carcinogenic properties, and possibly slow lung damage for people who are in the area when the uranium gets vaporized, and thus inhale it.

Depleted uranium does NOT emit gamma or x-rays, and as such CANNOT cause radiation sickness or burns, nor is it something which would be capable of affecting someone quickly.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:05 AM
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10. I agree with you to a point...
but it appears as if it's not the "exposure" per say that is causing the illness, it's the inhalation of the powered oxide that is causing the problems.

Handling it is very different from inhaling it.

I can handle coal without a problem but inhaling it's dust will kill me over time.

as posted above:
"Now let us briefly consider the routes of exposure to uranium. In the context of the dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons, this means exposure to uranium oxides. By far the most dangerous route of exposure to uranium oxides is the inhalation al or respiratory route. Absorption of uranium oxides through the gastrointestinal tract, the skin and the conjunctivae is possible but quite limited."

Makes sense to me.

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:45 AM
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14. Seconded
it's a toxic heavy metal, not a dangerous radioactive emitter.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 08:34 AM
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23. yes, but...
by just calling it toxic, not dangerous, you imply that there is a degree of safety that is possible. I know of many things during the course of my day that if i inhaled them or handled them wrongly, they could be toxic. I work at a photo lab, so i know something about silver and heavy metal, and toxic chemicals. I wouldn't want to get within a mile of DU. Also, given the shipping restrictions on Photo chemicals and the fines i've seen for improper disposal, it looks like not too many people recognize the seriousness of this 3.5 million year halflife isotope. Least of all the gov't. Don't fall for it, just because it's not "emitting" radiation, doesn't mean it can't KILL you in very unexpected ways.



...little stickers for public restrooms...
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 12:37 PM
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15. heavy metal poisoning
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 12:38 PM by kineneb
think mercury, arsenic, etc. It is the amount of exposure that causes the damage.
Living near a SuperFund mercury site has taught me that simple fact. Don't eat the bottom-feeding fish and you will not have problems. Depleted uranium is more insidious because the exposure is topical/inhaled and thus harder to avoid.

edited for spelling and lack of coffee
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:33 PM
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19. Gulf war vets were subjected to high mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde
levels in the large numbers of vaccines they were given.

Plus they apparently were subjected to experimental biological warfare agents that included
an HIV gene implanted in a mycoplasma carrier that has been found to infect large numbers of
Gulf War veterans, by Dr. Garth Nicholson's research at his treatment center in Calif. where
he is treating many of those infected during the war.
His daughter was one of those infected during the war.
The agent results in neurological conditions resembeling ALS.

) Dr. Garth Nicholson, Institute for Molecular Medicine, Huntington Beach, Calif., www.immed.org
& Michael Guthrie, R.Ph. ImmuneSupport.com 07 18 2001 Mycoplasmas – The Missing Link in Fatiguing Illnesses, www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm?ID=3066; & New Treatments for Chronic Infections Found in Fibromyalgia Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Gulf War Illnesses, www.immed.org/reports/autoimmune_illness/rep1.html ; & Prof. Garth L. Nicolson, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and Other Fatigue Conditions, www.immed.org/illness/fatigue_illness_research.html; & Dr. G. Nicholson, Institute for Molecular Medicine, New Treatments for Chronic Infections Found in Fibromyalgia Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, and Gulf War Illnesses, www.immed.org/reports/autoimmune_illness/rep1.html
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 10:23 AM
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27. exactly...
and do we as citizens have a way of detecting DU in our air/area?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:16 PM
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16. Alpha particles might not technically penetrate human skin,
but some medical authorities believe that when the minute uranium oxide particles are drawn into the lungs through respiration the radioativity can them bombard and damage the softer lung tissues and/or get absorbed into the bloodstream where they will irradiate and cause damage to the cells in bone marrow and internal organs etc. For this internal exposure, even Apha particles can be dangerous, not to mention whatever other harm the DU might cause through chemical/heavy metal poisoning etc.

From the website of the Uranium Medical Research Centre www.umrc.net (founded by Dr Asaf Durakovic, a Professor at Georgetown University and a former Chief of Nuclear Medicine for a Veterans' Administration medical facility in Wilmington Delaware - until he was fired by the VA for refusing to stop his resarch on the effects of DU on his patients, i.e. the gulf war veterans):


Fiction: Alpha particles can't penetrate clothes and skin.

Fact: This statement ignores the most prevalent and dangerous pathway for uranium to get into the human body. Inhaled uranium can remain in the lungs and bones for years where it continues to emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Each alpha particle can traverse up to several hundred cells causing somatic and genetic alterations. Multiply this by billions of such particles and a huge amount of cellular damage becomes possible. The majority (50-70%) of the airborne DU particles sampled during the testing of 105 mm DU projectiles were in the respirable range and capable of reaching the non-ciliated bronchial tree. Studies also indicate that the half-time in the lungs is up to 5 years.

Soluble DU compounds have rapid access to the bloodstream with consequent toxic effects on the target organs and the bone where it is incorporated. Mass spectrometry results of deceased Canadian veteran, Captain Terry Riordon, confirmed that depleted uranium was present in his bone. From there it can compromise the immune system and affect the stem cells that travel throughout the body thereby affecting many other organs. Soldiers inside a tank or armoured vehicle can inhale tens of milligrams of DU after the shell goes through the tank. Compare this to the maximum allowable yearly dose in the U.S. for inhaled uranium is 1.2 milligrams per year.

http://www.umrc.net/facts_and_fictions.aspx


Also regarding the issue of DU not producting beta and gamma radiation, if I understand the following paper by Dr. Leonard Dietz correctly two of the daughter elements produced by the decay of U 238 (which makes up about 99% of the depleted uranium) namely Thorium-234 which decays into protactinium-234, which in turn decays into Uranium 234 do produce beta and gamma radiation.


Contamination of Persian Gulf War Veterans and Others by Depleted Uranium

by Leonard A. Dietz

<snip>

Only the first three isotopes in the uranium decay series or chain headed by U-238 are important in determining the radioactivity of DU (Ref. 12). Uranium-238 decays into thorium-234 (Th-234), which decays into protactinium-234 (Pa-234), which decays into U-234, etc. down the decay chain. The 246,000 year half life of U-234 is too long for it to decay much during our lifetimes and produce significant numbers of decay progeny.

The U-238 decay chain is broken during the chemical reduction of uranium hexafluoride into DU metal and is broken again during the melting and processing of the metal into a penetrator. To determine the maximum time it takes to regain equilibrium in the partial decay chain, we assume a solid sample of uranium that initially contains only the U-238 isotope, i.e. no decay progeny. Using Bateman's equations, (Ref. 13), we calculate the growth of Th-234 and Pa-234 activities as a function of elapsed time in weeks. The results are given in Table II.

Table II. Radioactivity (disintegrations/second) in 1 gram of
U-238 with no decay progeny initially present.

Half lives used:
U-238 = 4.47e9 years
Th-234 = 24.10 days
Pa-234 = 1.17 minutes, 6.69 hours (two decay states)
U-234 = 2.46e5 years (Ref. 14).
Scientific notation is used, i.e. 2.46e5 = 246000.

Weeks U-238 ---> Th-234 ---> Pa-234 ---> U-234
------------------------------------------------------------
0 12,430 0 0 0.000
1 12,430 2,270 2,150 0.000
5 12,430 7,890 7,840 0.001
10 12,430 10,770 10,750 0.004
15 12,430 11,830 11,820 0.007
20 12,430 12,210 12,210 0.010
25 12,430 12,350 12,350 0.013
30 12,430 12,400 12,400 0.017

After 25 weeks, Th-234 and Pa-234 have reached 99.4% of the decay rate of U-238 and for practical purposes have reached secular equilibrium with U-238, their parent isotope. Secular equilibrium means that the decay progeny of U-238 are being replaced at the same rate they are decaying; after 25 weeks all three isotopes are decaying at approximately the same rate. This is a maximum time; in reality, equilibrium will be reached much faster, since these two isotopes can never be separated totally from U-238. The isotope U-238 emits alpha particles and also emits some gamma rays. Its decay progeny Th-234 and Pa-234 each emit beta particles and gamma rays. An alpha particle is a fast helium atom with its two electrons removed, a beta particle is a high-speed electron and a gamma ray is like an X-ray.

From this analysis we conclude that in a solid sample of DU, six months at most after manufacture of a DU penetrator, or DU armor for a tank, or DU particles in a person's body, substantial additional radiation in the form of beta particles and gamma rays always will be present. In fact, most of the penetrating gamma radiation and all of the penetrating beta radiation from DU comes, not from uranium, but from the decay progeny of U-238 (Ref. 15) (my emphasis /jc). In a year, only one-thousandth of a gram (1 milligram or mg) of DU generates more than a billion alpha particles, beta particles and gamma rays. The U.S. Army has investigated the generation of DU aerosols in armored vehicles hit by DU cannon rounds. Their investigators report "...that personnel inside DU struck vehicles could receive a dose in the `tens of milligrams' range due to inhalation" (Ref. 16). This exposure results in an acute dose of uranium.

Gamma rays become absorbed in body tissue as follows. If their energy exceeds 40 keV, part of the gamma-ray energy is transferred to an atomic electron, setting it in high-speed motion (1 keV = 1000 electron volts energy). The remaining energy is carried off by a new gamma ray. This process, called the Compton effect, repeats until the gamma ray has an energy below about 40 keV where the photoelectric effect dominates and the remaining energy can be transferred to a photoelectron. For example, using Gofman's method, (Ref. 17) one can calculate that an 850 keV gamma ray absorbed in body tissue will produce a packet of high-speed Compton electrons and a fast photoelectron that on average can traverse 137 body cells. By contrast, according to Gofman, X-rays commonly used in medical diagnosis have a peak energy of 90 keV and an average energy of 30 keV (Ref. 17) A 30 keV X-ray in body tissue can be converted into a photoelectron of this energy, which on average can traverse only 1.7 cells. Ionization along the tracks of high-speed electrons in tissue can cause damage to genetic material in the nuclei of cells. Thus, a high energy gamma ray from Pa-234 is much more penetrating than a typical medical X-ray and can damage far more living cells. The many 2.29 MeV beta particles emitted by Pa-234 are extremely penetrating in body tissue (1 MeV = 1 million electron volts energy). Referring to the experimental data given by Gofman (Ref. 17), each one of these beta particles can traverse more than 500 body cells.

http://www.wise-uranium.org/dgvd.html#PATHDU



Estimate of radiation dose from a depleted uranium oxide particle

If the above estimates of radiation dose (170 rem/yr) received by lung tissue surrounding the depleted uranium oxide particle is correct, then it is 34 times the maximum dose that radiation workers are permitted to recieve and 100 times higher than the maximum acceptable dose for the general population. For a 5 micrometer dia. depleted uranium oxide particle (8 times the volume), the estimated dose is 1,360 rem, or 272 times the maximum permissible dose to a radiation worker. Until these doses can be related to a cancer risk factor, they must be viewed as qualitative indicators of danger, as red flags.

www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/Dietz-L/Dietz-du-3.html

From Dietz's obituary published at www.umrc.net

After the war, he graduated from the University of Michigan in 1949 with a BS in physics, and received an MS in physics in 1950. He then joined GE and worked in the general engineering laboratory in Schenectady until 1955, when he transferred to Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory where he worked for 28 years. He was an experimental research physicist in mass spectrometry and was responsible for developing advanced mass spectrometer instrumentation and new analytical techniques for isotope ratio analysis of uranium and plutonium. His extensive published research in ion detection resulted in ion pulse-counting detectors for mass spectrometry. He was manager of a technical group that included the mass spectrometer component. Dr. Dietz was active in a local Boy Scout troop while his sons were growing up and was a volunteer fireman for 14 years. He was treasurer of Jones Boarding Home, a local non-profit corporation that took care of mentally disadvantaged adults, and was active in the First Unitarian Society of Schenectady and the Unitarian Universalist Society of Albany, and was president of the Albany Memorial Society. After the 1991 Persian Gulf War, he provided physics support on airborne uranium particles from depleted uranium munitions to TV, radio and print journalists, to Congress, and to environmentalists and researchers who were investigating the spread and health risks of these radioactive particles. A generous and loving husband and father, Dr. Dietz is survived by his wife of 55 years, Betty; his children, Thomas, Kristin and Allen; two grandchildren, Max and Iris.

http://www.umrc.net/dietz.aspx



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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:13 PM
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20. This doesn't make sense
"The 246,000 year half life of U-234 is too long for it to decay much during our lifetimes and produce significant numbers of decay progeny."

Yet the half life of U-238, it states later on, is 4.47e9, or 4.5 billion years -- over 18,000 times as long -- so 1/18000 as many decay progeny. :shrug:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 04:04 AM
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22. See if this explanation makes sense.
I think this seeming contradiction relates to the relative concentrations of U 238 vs U 234 in the sample.

In the example given by Dr. Dietz, he shows 1 gram of material initially comprised 100 % of U 238 which, although it might have a half life measured in the billions of years, still has 12,430 disintigrations/second caused by the radioactive decay process. Each disintegration means an atom of uranium has been transformed into an atom of thorium. The number of thorium atoms created might still be relatively small in relation to the number of uranium atoms in the sample, but because of it's short half life the number of thorium disintegrations occuring to create protactinium (the next step in the chain) is still relatively high.

Even though the quantity of protactinium atoms might also be, relatively speaking, quite small in comparison to the number of atoms of U 238, because it, like thorium, also has a short half life, so the number of protactinum disintigrations/sec will still be relatively high (as shown in the chart in Dr. Dietz's paper). And of course, each time there is a disintegration there is also radiation emitted in the form of alpha particles for the U 238 decay and mainly beta (along with some gamma) radiation for the Thorium and Protactinium decay.

Now when the protactinium decays to U 234 the process slows down, because there are only relatively few atoms of U 234 existing in the sample material (created from the decay of the protactinium) in comparison to the number of U 238 atoms. When you have relatively few atoms (of the U 234) combined with a very long half life it means there are going to be very few disintegrations occurring at this stage to produce further daughter elements from the U 234, and therefore lower levels of radiation being emitted by the U 234 decay process.

Check out the chart in Table II of Dr. Dietz's report showing the disintigrations/sec for the U 238 and the daughter elements and you can see how there are very few disintigrations/sec for the U 234 compared to the other elements. Presumably that's because there is a relatively small number of U 234 atoms present and they have a very long half life. The U 238 might have a long half life as well, but it has way more atoms present in the sample so it has a relatively higher number of disintigrations/sec. The thorium and protactinium atoms might also be present in relatively small numbers, but they have a short half life and therefore they also experience a relatively high number of disintigrations/sec.

This is my take on it, but I am no science whiz or egghead (just high school level physics and chemistry) and stand to be corrected if my interpretation is incorrect.

Doing some googling I found a couple other authorities who support Dr. Dietz's contentions that any sample of U 238 will undergo some radioactive decay and within about 6 months or so the radioactivity from the first two daughter elements will noticeably add to the radiation initially present from the U 238.


Gulf War Veterans and Depleted Uranium
Prepared for the Hague Peace Conference, May 1999
By Dr. Rosalie Bertell, Ph.D., G.N.S.H.

<snip>

Each atomic transformation produces another radioactive chemical: first, uranium 238 produces thorium 234, (which has a half life of 24.1 days), then the thorium 234 decays to protactinium 234 (which has a half life of 6.75 hours), and then protactinium decays to uranium 234 (which has a half life of 2.47E+5 or 247,000 years). The first two decay radioisotopes together with the U 238 count for almost all of the radioactivity in the depleted uranium. Even after an industrial process which separates out the
uranium 238 has taken place, it will continue to produce these other radionuclides. Within 3 to 6 months they will all be present in equilibrium balance. Therefore one must consider the array of radionuclides, not just uranium 238, when trying to understand what happened when veterans inhaled depleted uranium in the Gulf War.

http://www.grip.org/bdg/pdf/g1664.pdf



Uranium-238
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

<snip>

While uranium-238 is minimally radioactive, its decay products - Thorium 234 and Protactinium 234 - are beta particle emitters with half-lives about 20 days and one minute respectively (Pa 234 decays to Uranium 234, which has a half-life of hundreds of millennia, and this isotope does not build to equilibrium concentration for a very long time). When the two first isotopes in the decay chain reach their (tiny) equilibrium concentrations, a sample of initially pure uranium-238 will emit three times the radiation due to uranium-238 itself, and most of this will be beta radiation. After all the beta radiation is almost over, the by-product of uranium-238 would be (Pb) lead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 11:48 AM
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29. yes
thanks...makes complete sense. :thumbsup:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 08:45 AM
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25. a few folks around here think it's harmless as well
we need much more education about this dirty bomb.

peace
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:49 PM
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17. I really doubt DU could cause rapid onset severe lukemia
It just isn't radioactive enough to do something like that.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 08:40 AM
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24. have you studied this stuff?
or are you a doctor? Maybe this soldier was moving a complement of DU weapons and one broke... maybe he was immediately downwind of a HUGE explosion.... maybe he drank some coffee that was dosed with the stuff... MAYBE THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T TELLING US EVERYTHING... again, even if the radiation isn't "emitted", comsumption in larger quantities (air, food, water...) will KILL in unexpected ways. Ways that maybe aren't easily identifiable as DU exposure. MUCH MORE study needs to be done, and until then these weapons need to be BANNED.



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ArmchairMeme Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 10:02 AM
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26. * Legacy
When asked by reporters how history would report on Bush he said, "It won't matter we'll all be dead!"

He must have know about this then.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 10:39 AM
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28. DU exposure does occur over time
& The effects may still be growing in the vets from the 1st Gulf War, 14 years ago

My Uncle just got Luekemia-- very sudden for him
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