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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:08 PM
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"Son finds body in rubble" 4 months later he returns to find her body
I cannot say how totally angry I am.
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-12/1135926775299960.xml
He had watched mother die on roof
Friday, December 30, 2005
By Walt Philbin
Staff writer
A Lower 9th Ward man who saw his mother die on the roof of their home as Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters rose in their neighborhood, returned Thursday and found their house collapsed and her skeletal remains in the rubble, police said.

The body was tentatively identified by police as Joyce Green, after her son found her remains in the debris outside their home about 3:30 p.m. in the 1600 block of Tennessee Street, said officer Juan Barnes, a police spokesman.


Her son, whose name wasn't released by police, told police he and another relative had taken refuge on the roof of the home with his mother after the Industrial Canal levee broke, police said. He told police his mother died before he and the other relative were rescued and evacuated from New Orleans.

After returning to New Orleans, the son told police that he went to the home Thursday and found his mother's remains. The grieving son said he recognized her body from the clothes she was wearing at the time she died. An autopsy will be done at the coroner's office at St. Gabriel to obtain a positive identification, Barnes said.

There is even a picture on the front webpage of http://www.nola.com/
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:12 PM
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1. She died while Bush ate cake. n/t
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:42 PM
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5. And "played" a guitar n/t
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 07:13 AM
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28. and "yucked it up" with the "money" people
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:15 PM
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2. A picture of what?
All I saw was a man holding a camera out the sunroof
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:17 PM
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3. If you hit refresh it cycles through varied pictures
one is of people loading a body bag. I couldn't find the picture by itself, hit refresh a couple times and it will come up. Sorry, didn't realize they cycled the heading picture through.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:39 PM
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11. this?
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 09:42 PM by Timefortruth


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:10 PM
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14. Yes, thank you for searching them out
I was at a library and didn't have time when I found and posted originally. Thank you.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 02:05 AM
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27. Those pictures need to be broadcast around the world
It's been four months since Katrina and they're still finding bodies?
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:37 PM
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4. yes I'm angry too
there is probably not a day that goes by that I don't think about Katrina and the victims. But what you still hear from this monster adm. and the media is sept 11 for the simple reason to perpetuate the continues lies.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:44 PM
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6. they didnt check any house that had less than 5 feet of water in it
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 06:55 PM
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7. Yup. Heck of a job. Security at home and freedom on the march...
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:41 PM
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8. finding the body outside- this is completely unacceptable
is this the neighborhood they were going to raze? and is this why?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 07:59 PM
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9. Everyone who survived the tsunami lived. Every one of them.
I heard that on the TV so it must be true. If the wave didn't kill you, you're still around.

But we let our own people die on their rooftops.

How many does that make now? Do we know the amended count of the dead?
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 04:27 PM
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36. We will never get a true count of the dead. Not in NO or Iraq.
The truth will always be something to hide or to twist when the Bu$h administration is involved. Not something to confront. And deal with in a constructive manner. We are not a country who really cares about our fellow human beings on this planet while we are being led by the Bu$h junta. Yes, some of us as individuals do. But as long as we are led by these senseless murderers, (the Bu$h`s) we will not as a whole be able to account for the dead the most powerful country in the world leaves around to rot.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:13 PM
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10. too busy sucking up the nobid Haliburton jobs
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:42 PM
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12. I saw him on the local news tonight!!!
He was very upset and yelling. Said he had called the authorities over and over. He told them the exact address where she could be found. Yet when he gets to that address 4 months later, her body is there...Nobody could have properly searched that property.

My home only had an exterior search. I haven't seen many that had interior searches.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:09 PM
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18. I am totally convinced that there were no searches conducted...
too many stories of people coming back to find bodies in plain view. No searches meant lower body counts. Lower body count makes gov. screw up look less dishonorable. This is shameful and totally intolerable. Freedom's on the march while Americans drowned, rotted, and were left without even a proper and honorable burial. This says so much about what and who we truly value.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:43 PM
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13. Notice the difference between the 9/11 cleanup and NOLA
They found every fucking bone fragment in the WTC disaster.

This is bullshit. Someone should be slapped right to hell for this.

This only makes me hate Bush all that much more than I already hate his crime laden, impeachable ass.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:14 PM
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20. AMEN gregorian! I've written about this numerous times here.
how people who support this administration can't see this is beyond me. but then again, people who support this administration only see what fits into their view of the godly man that * is....

It is truly sickening and telling, all at the same time.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:29 PM
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22. They've been conditioned to be that way.
I've been watching, and doing my own impromtu sociology. Cousins, nephews, aunts and uncles.

It's who they come in contact with. Although it's not obvious. And then there are mysterious factors. But it's a sickness. Especially when it involves ignoring or not seeing someone elses suffering.


No common sense. This is such an outrage I can only think of what Bush would do if this were Dear Barbara.

It's no different than the money we paid in taxes that could have fed THE WORLD. But it went into white phosphorus and depleted uranium and Humvees.

There's a hell waiting for these people.
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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:46 PM
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24. There is a hot burning hell waiting for those who looked the other way
while our american brothers and sisters suffered. There's also a special place there for those who focused on some looters instead of the cries of the hungry and thirsty, and for those who blamed victims for not leaving when they actually couldn't.

As I was traveling home from a holiday visit in south GA, I am sickened by the number of * stickers I still see proudly displayed on cars traveling I-75. It's a culture. It's a status symbol. It's a wink and nod said without words that "we're better than "those" people. And no matter what, we stick together." It's about disregarding reality because it just doesn't fit into what you were brainwashed to believe. And, even if you now know the truth, it's about the collective inability to deal with it, therefore, you continue ahead on the road that leads to certain destruction.

I fear and pray for us. This culture is willing to do whatever possible to maintain the myth. And as we see in the headlines, our very civil liberties are already the victims.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 03:33 PM
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32. I wonder if they will be having the GOP convention in New Orleans?
Pushing and shoving in order to get the date as close to the anniversary of the disaster as possible (as they did with last year's convention in New York City)? And all eager to build a big spectacular memorial with the victims' names on it so they can stoke up the memory of the event every time they need a boost in the polls?

I guess not.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 06:04 PM
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33. After 9/11 they asked people to bring in the paper towels
they used to wipe dust from the windows, because that dust might contain human remains and funerary rites would need to be observed (I remember hearing that on the nightly news and it stuck with me.) So in New York paper towels were buried with respect and on the Gulf coast bodies were left to rot down to the bones. Hard to believe it's the same country and only four years later.

Of course, the New York victims were mostly properous and those in New Orleans and on the Gulf were generally not. I'm sure that has nothing to do with the disparity. :sarcasm:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 03:12 PM
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35. NY was terrorism. LA/MS was nature
sort of like newscasters being happy that the reason the plane crashed was because a wing fell off, not because someone bombed it? NewYorkers were killed by The Enemy. Mississippians and Louisianians were killed by nature. :sarcasm: as well as the money thing. Cynical New Year
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:11 PM
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38. I mis- read your subject line- but
it was appropriate-

NY was terrorism- La/Ms was torture.

Deadly, calculated, in-human torture. I am so ashamed of the suffering that was not only allowed, but excused, explained away, and continues to destroy and fester for the folks left at the mercy of its 'most compassionate nation in the world'-

Individual people did the best they could- (many did, at least) but the government fucked this up BIG TIME to our eternal shame, disgrace, and i predict, regret.

Being betrayed is not something that goes away easily or quietly.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 09:56 PM
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39. I'm in agreement with you also.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:01 PM
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37. so right Greg
but it was to the advantage of this political empire to claim as many deaths as possible on 9/11 because it fueled the desire for hate and revenge.

Downplaying and denying the devistating death toll on NOLA is 'damage control'- and i too hate that this not only happened, but is not being faced by the american people, and that the loud outraged voices aren't coming from the same mouths that decried the deaths of 9/11.
But that means blaming us- not some invented 'cabal' of foreign evil people "who want to harm us, who don't have any respect for human life" as bush would say- Where is his respect for his own citizens?
Where is the rule of law for those of us living in this 'democracy'??? Where is his compassion?

Empty words? Actions speak the truth, where words often decieve.

hope youre doing well-
blu
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:24 PM
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15. What an outrage!!
How many more of these stories are there? That American citizens are left to rot after a disaster, while our President hands out no-bid contracts and suspends a law that would ensure a fair wage for those who would rebuild the devastated area, is unconscienable!!

If only we had a free press, they would at least be shamed into restarting the search for bodies and would be prevented from profiting from this disaster.

I can't believe what has become of this country. I will never forget the sight of bodies floating down flooded streets in the US, while Condi shopped and Bush ate cake, and Cheney was shopping for a mansion, and Rumsfeld went to a baseball game. Brownie was concerned with looking like a fashion king, and Chertoff 'didn't know there people needing help' despite the fact that the whole world knew.

I won't forget either, that Bush's aides were afraid to tell him the bad news, so people died because the bully in the WH would have thrown a temper tantrum if anyone had told him to get off his rear end and do something. Why didn't Congress call an emergency session and take over, since he either couldn't or wouldn't (wouldn't is my guess) try to save the lives of American citizens?

There are still thousands missing, many of them children. But all he can talk about is 'freedom and security' I feel sick when I hear him claim he's spying on the American people because 'it's my job to protect the American people'. I don't know how reporters can listen to that without saying 'cut the crap, we watched you turn the other way when thousands of American people were dying.' But there's no outrage, or if there is, it's not being allowed to be heard.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:17 PM
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21. It is, indeed, an outrage...
America's darkest days, when we abandon our own to drown, starve, and die in the flood waters of a hurricane. Meanwhile, some are more concerned with tax cuts, waging war, and keeping gays from marrying. What a totally fucked up country we are. May God help us.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 06:25 PM
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34. Had to stop recovering bodies because it would make * look bad
Just like they had to stop counting the votes in Florida and stop counting the bodies in Iraq. Whatever it takes to make the WORST PRESIDENT EVER look good.

Impeach, and then send him to the Hague for crimes against humanity. Send the complicit, know-nothing television news people with him.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:34 PM
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16. This CNN article has more detail >>>>
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:14 PM
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19. Thanks for the article, it's from 2 months ago, even gives address
you can't come over the bridge without seeing her on the roof, he says. They returned and couldn't find her then, glad they found her now so they can at least have some sort of closure. The baby's body is still missing. This is just wrong. I know that originally the focus had to be on saving the living, but this is 4 months later, they had the address in article 2 months ago. One big thing the Katrina aftermath has shown me is how reliant we must be on our communities. And how little we can rely on the government.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:36 PM
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17. The coroner's office will probably lose the remains.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:38 PM
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23. WHY are these stories not above the fold
Or at least front page EVERYWHERE?!?! :mad:
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 12:19 AM
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25. It would make Bush look bad and we can't have that!
If there are more people dead from Hurricane Katrina, it takes away his 9/11 weapon to justify his miserable war.

But from talking to real people, even with the media protecting him, it doesn't matter. Those images for days, of people begging for help with no help coming, the sight of the destruction, children dying for want of water and old people dying before our eyes in their wheel-chairs, have had a serious affect on people. Even those who voted for him. You can't erase those images, and it has made people, who before may have believed his 'I'm looking out for the American people garbage', realize he doesn't care one bit about them.

That's why, imo, no matter what he does, no matter how many times he says '9/11' or 'terror' or 'we're fighting for our freedoms', the polls don't change much anymore. He just sounds idiotic and phony. To many of us, that was always obvious, but he's lost the support even of Republicans. No decent person can forget those sad, horrible days.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 01:40 AM
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26. I beg to differ
"You can't erase those images..."

The images are being erased because the images, the follow-up stories are not MSM every day. The less the aftermath hell of Katrina is NOT on page 1,2 or 3, means the less there is reason to give credence to the lives of those still in great need and how they are faring. Print no news about it in the mainstream, treat it all as an aside, the more likely people will be "shocked" in the coming days, the next year and two that things are still as bad or worse for those who survived Katrina.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 07:30 AM
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29. The NG was doing such a great job....
After they refused to let the families back in....cover-up.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 09:52 AM
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30. Message to lurking freeptard trolls
who may be saying, "Well, the flood waters receded for the last time months ago, so why didn't this man take responsibility and go to see if his mother's body was there?"

THE AUTHORITIES FORBADE PEOPLE TO RETURN TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS IN SECTIONS LIKE THIS. FORBADE. AS IN, YOU COULD GET ARRESTED. AS IN, YOU MIGHT GET SHOT BY POLICE (GIVEN THE RECENT HYSTERICAL BEHAVIOR OF THE TRAUMATIZED N.O. POLICE.)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 10:35 AM
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31. what a fuckin outrage.
four months -- and HE has to go back and find the body -- amazing.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 10:00 PM
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40. this is the world created by capitalism, corporations and republicans
their political lackeys
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