Agency First Acted on Its Own to Broaden Spying Files Show (NYT NSA Story)

I am not sure if this qualifies as LBN but I thought I would try it here first.

might deleteriously affect the war on terror.

Cheney's been gone a couple of years now, but they don't want Al Qaeda to know.

I hope BushCo isn't setting the "excuse" that the big, bad NSA went rogue and got poor ol Georgie-poo in twouble.

they're going to pin it on the NSA...a rogue 'intelligence operation' ala Ollie North? Surely with all the ad-people they employ they could come up with something fresher?

We posted pretty much the same thing simultaneously. :)

:toast:

...because the RW neocon cabal will repeat this until the scandal has withered to dust.

That's just GREAT! Fucking bastards.

Damn....these assholes get away with EVERYTHING.

Junior all ready admitted to spying on Americans. He has attempted to rationalize and
justify it every day, since the Times broke the story.

Now, they've declassified a few select documents that pin this all on the NSA?

It's so absurd. It's just a cover up and a lie. We all know it.

But it doesn't fucking matter. One more scandal wiped away by the neocon lying bastages.

I can't frickin believe this.

...because the NSA "expanded its domestic surveillance powers, apparently without any specific presidential directive."

Is that what this story is about?

It's the NSA's fault? They acted alone without the pResident?

I will remember to mark it on my calendar.

The criminals?

without oversight of any kind?

this sounds like an effort to take bush outside something that's about to blow open. But bush already admitted to ordering the NSA to do the wiretaps. If he didn't order the NSA to do the wiretaps, then who did, or does this agency operate without any oversight at all, doing as it pleases, answerable to no one - not even the president?

A yahoo news story about the book yesterday contained this sentence:
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"The book said the NSA does not need approval from the White House, the Justice Department or anyone else in the Bush administration before it begins eavesdropping on a specific phone line in the United States."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=38125&mesg_id=38125
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What?

Bush all ready admitted that he ordered the wiretaps on Americans.

That's a done deal.

Now, they're issuing bullshit that blames the NSA. I'm sure they have more chapters of
this bunk, that will be revealed soon. I bet they have an NSA official (or two or three)
who will come forward and say that they acted on their own.

Yes. We know perfectly well that the pResident all ready admitted to wrong doing. He even said that he would keep doing it.

It doesn't fricking matter.

The story now is that the NSA acted alone, without the authority of the pResident. America will
forget about what Bush said and we'll never hear him admit that he ordered the wiretaps. Those
words don't exist anymore.

It's a new story now.

They assume we're stupid and that we can't remember what Junior said yesterday.

Oh well. Another scandal that will fizzle into nothing.

F*&*&*&*&*&&#&&#&##^ B*&^^*^*&^!!!!!1

snip:

President Bush has acknowledged he authorized the NSA to eavesdrop — without warrants — on international calls and e-mails of Americans and others inside the United States with suspected ties to al-Qaida or its affiliates.

The NSA needs approval from the very top to conduct such an op. I used to work there, and they are no different than any other huge government agency - the standard "order of the day" is CYA. No one, absolutely no one, cowboys it without approval from above - this goes to the very top: cheney in chief.

"The book said the NSA does not need approval from the White House, the Justice Department or anyone else in the Bush administration before it begins eavesdropping on a specific phone line in the United States."

However, did they not see how crazy a little-dictator Boosh has become? The JD will FIND someone in the NYT to pin this all on, even though it was Boosh who told the NYT to sit on the story. No wonder there is talk of invading Iran! Shit meet fan.

I'll wait a few hours and then the NYTimes story will be out. Then we will see
if it is a blame-shifter, or even more dirt.

Glad to see Karl's back on the job.

The New York Times' Eric Lichtblau is writing a major story that editors are considering for the front page of Wednesday's editions of the paper with new developments on the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance, RAW STORY can reveal.

Just weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, the National Security Agency expanded its domestic surveillance powers, apparently without any specific presidential directive, according to declassified documents released to the Times Tuesday.

The Times has drawn fire from both the right and left for their revelation that President Bush authorized the wiretapping of international phone calls made from within the United States. The paper held the story for a year, and withheld some information from their report at the request of the administration, agreeing that some of the facts might deleteriously affect the war on terror.

The Times story, released on the eve of the Patriot Act's reauthorization, may have singlehandedly blocked the controversial measure from being renewed.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/NYT_sources_Times_plans_new_splash_0103.html


Hmm...........................:shrug:

?????? :wtf:

Need to check!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2018906

bush giving verbal instructions to spy but only putting it on paper at a later date?

Is this the new meme?

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006; A03

Even before the White House formally authorized a secret program to spy on U.S. citizens without obtaining warrants, such eavesdropping was occurring and some of the information was being shared with the FBI, declassified correspondence and interviews with congressional and intelligence officials indicate.

On Oct. 1, 2001, three weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, who was running the National Security Agency at the time, told the House intelligence committee that the agency was broadening its surveillance authorities, according to a newly released letter sent to him that month by Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.). Pelosi, the ranking Democrat on the committee, raised concerns in the letter, which was declassified with several redactions and made public yesterday by her staff.

"I am concerned whether and to what extent the National Security Agency has received specific presidential authorization for the operations you are conducting," Pelosi wrote on Oct. 11, 2001. The substance of Hayden's response one week later, on Oct. 17, 2001, was redacted.

The secret NSA program, developed in the immediate aftermath of the attacks on Washington and New York as a way to find any hidden al Qaeda operatives still in the United States, was authorized in October 2001, a senior administration official said.

more…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/03/AR2006010301460.html

No my fault Chimp shouted
They did it
My job to clear bush in crawford
Me not CEO
They dont answer to me
They bad boys
Me found out
Me do something
Me go join them do bad stuff
But they did it first
So see me not guilty
They break law first I didnt
I just follow along
See me smart President
Me hardworking President fight cedar tree get injured too like soldier in Iraq

WOW this guys big nutcase, me becoming more stupid everyday, braincells dying burning up from all this blatant spins. Too much garbage shove down throat. Choking bad. Going cuckoo living in this bush reality. This one big nightmare. Need wake up. Dreams getting worse day by day.

I wonder if this general is going to wind up falling on his sword ...

Nero was playing the fiddle while Rome burn

Bush fighting bushes, shrubes and Cedar tree while America burn

That general will order soldiers to fall on his sword while he proclaim his greatest to the whole world.

Soon he might need to draft you to fall on his sword too.

Found it posted on AMERICAblog.

Agency First Acted on Its Own to Broaden Spying, Files Show

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
and SCOTT SHANE
Published: January 4, 2006

WASHINGTON, Jan. 3 - The National Security Agency acted on its own authority, without a formal directive from President Bush, to expand its domestic surveillance operations in the weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to declassified documents released Tuesday.

The N.S.A. operation prompted questions from a leading Democrat, Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who said in an Oct. 11, 2001, letter to a top intelligence official that she was concerned about the agency's legal authority to expand its domestic operations, the documents showed.

Ms. Pelosi's letter, which was declassified at her request, showed much earlier concerns among lawmakers about the agency's domestic surveillance operations than had been previously known. Similar objections were expressed by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West Virginia, in a secret letter to Vice President Dick Cheney nearly two years later.

The letter from Ms. Pelosi, the House minority leader, also suggested that the security agency, whose mission is to eavesdrop on foreign communications, moved immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks to identify terror suspects at home by loosening restrictions on domestic eavesdropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/politics/04nsa.html?ei=5094&en=7709e127186eb686&hp=&ex=1136350800&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1136350883-K4w0wW99f1j/+QAWc1MhQQ

AMERICAblogs comments at http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/01/nsa-started-domestic-spying-before.html

I checked and everything, obviously not very well.

Anyway, K/R. Big stuff.

good luck with that. they are soooo predictable.