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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:11 AM
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'Critical danger' warning on fish


Seafloor before (top) and after (bottom) the trawlers have been


4 January 2006, 18:33 GMT

Deep sea fish species in the northern Atlantic are on the brink of extinction, new research suggests.

Canadian scientists studied five deep water species including hake and eel.

Writing in the journal Nature, they say that some populations have plummeted by 98% in a generation, meeting the definition of 'critically endangered'.

Scientists and conservation bodies are pressing for a global moratorium on deep-sea fishing which they regard as particularly destructive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4581428.stm

Time to wake up folks. If we destroy our stocks of deep sea fish, we are in big trouble.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:19 AM
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1. A resource for sustainable seafood....
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sugapablo Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:37 AM
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2. Oh, you d*mb @ss m0ther f*ckers!
How stupid are these @ss holes?!?!?!?

Dragging up the sea floor? That's not fishing, that's the fish-world equivilent of a nuclear blast!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:40 AM
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3. Commercial fishermen have been ripping up the sea floor
for a long time. Then they can't seem to figure out why their nets come up empty?

At least in Florida, they've instituted a net fishing ban for coastal waters. It's made a huge difference around here.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:41 AM
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10. linkees to florida fishing stuff?
i've wondered about this for a long while. brevard county is my "hometown." wild central florida coast. wild as in, The fucking Wilderness. when i was growing up, everything was larger than life NATURE. i go back now and the changes are ASTOUNDING. i ask my friends if they've noticed it in the past 20 years. it's become normal to them. it's a part of life they talk about, but have a hard time getting passionate about because (maybe?) because they are 'soaking in it.' we were poor people then, and BIG corrupt money ruled then and rules now. 'we' floridians don't 'own' the state and never really did. all we can do is sit on our patios, smoke, bitch...and hopefully move to western NC before it all comes crashing down.

i'd love to read more about this. florida's a laboratory of RAPID TRANSFORMATION. maybe we could learn from positive experiences. i wonder if there are there any cases where good old floridians have been able to win against JEB or the mafia or developers or the Rotarians? there has to be something. the Miami Circle? the protected fishing area around Merrit Island that sprang back?

is the net ban all the way around the pennensula? b/c dead zones in the gulf (from tampa to ft myers) has been a big deal for a while. the east coast is ripped up from hurricanes. before the hurricanes there was an uncharacteristic cooling on the east coast that beat up the eco-system. from my perspective, if you still live on the beach and don't have that mountain place you are totally screwed. i don't mean to cast negativity on the issue, b/c i don't really see it that way. florida could go totally underwater for a month, re-emerge and all the nature would re-emerge better for the soaking. it happens somewhere in florida every year. it's like a crap shoot. my grandmother used to say, "follow the animals. if the animals leave, get your ass out of there."
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:44 AM
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12. No doubt I always try to order Grouper around here when it is banned for
out of season, love the sea food though and sunshine, but not the hurricanes.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:17 PM
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18. it must be the seals' fault!
quick, kill more! MORE!!!
Then we can hide shamelessly behind the First Nations!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:24 PM
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20. Or the whales
Let's a kill a few of them while we're at it. They're overpopulated you know. :sarcasm:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:25 AM
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4. Republicans are very strong supporters of bottom trawlers.
Alaskan fishermen have been fighting the federal government for over a decade trying to get rid of bottom trawling. It is the Republicans in congress especially Ted Stevens and Don Young from Alaska that insist on keeping them in place. In fact I believe they even own stock in some. Normal trolling or longlineing do not do anywhere near the damage as bottom trawling does. Even Mid water trawling is not so destructive but bottom trawling destroys huge swaths of the ocean floor. Why should one boat make millions and millions of dollars while thousands of little boats get put out of business and all the little peripheral businesses as well just so a very few people can become enormously wealthy at the expense of all mankind?
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 09:43 AM
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5. Why am I not surprised?
Perhaps they think destroying the planet will help the Rapture happen faster.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:46 AM
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13. They do think that.
Seriously.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:16 PM
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22. of course, the Republican agenda is to destroy all life on earth
this should come as no surprise. Sink these damn trawlers is what should happen.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:13 AM
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6. we prefer to die in our sleep
KnR.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:25 AM
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7. This is about more than just seafood
I can hear it already; "well I don't like seafood, so who the hell cares? There are so many other more important issues out there". The bigger issue is this; destroy a significant part of an ecosystem, and pretty soon the ecosystem itself ceases to exist. Still don't care because you don't like fish sticks? well, how much do you like to breathe? The ocean's flora provides 65% of our oxygen, and the "emerald necklace"- the worlds rainforests-provides most of the rest. Massive "dead zones' are spreading across the worlds oceans; they are vast areas that up until recently were teeming with life...and now NOTHING lives there. The world's rainforests will be entirely logged out and will cease to exist by 2050. Where will our oxygen come from then?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:43 AM
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11. Just think of the profits to be made selling everyone oxygen tanks.
:sarcasm:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:03 PM
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16. The world is our cesspool.
What is so hard to understand that things like the hated spotted owl are not just obstacles but are barometers of the environment's ability to recycle our wastes? I think I am in a dream--or going nuts.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:34 AM
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8. You guys have apparently forgotten...
Jeeezus is gonna come and none of our little problems.... global warming, overfishing, pollution... will be over.

Every time I wonder how those dumbshits can do the things they do, I remember James Watt.. Raygun's Sec of Interior... saying "my responsibility is to follow the scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns." (He claims he never said "When the last tree is cut, Jesus will come.")

Or St. Ronald himself..."a tree's a tree. how many more do you need to look at?"
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:39 AM
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9. IGNORANCE IS BLISS....especially when the meaning of Bliss is missing
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:47 AM
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14. I bet there aren't any trees in hell. Perhaps he's finally happy. RIP nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 11:49 AM
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15. and even if JC doesn't come -- Pascal's wager
it's just in your self-interest to shut up and die.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:18 PM
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19. "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." Raygun, 1981
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:15 PM
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17. Soylent green . . . . nt
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:49 PM
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21. BFEE and menhaden, the most important fish in the sea
Yup, the evil Bushies were behind killing the seas even back in the 1950's! Malcolm Glazer has since bought the company from the Bushies.

The Most Important Fish in the Sea
You've never heard of them, but your life may depend on them
http://newark.rutgers.edu/~hbf/menhaden.htm
Not one of these fish is destined for a supermarket, canning factory, or restaurant. Menhaden are oily and foul and packed with tiny bones. No one eats them. Yet they are the most important fish caught along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts, exceeding the tonnage of all other species combined. These kibble of the sea fetch only about 10 cents a pound at the dock, but they can be ground up, dried, and formed into another kind of kibble for land animals, a high-protein feed for chickens, pigs, and cattle. Pop some barbecued wings into your mouth, and at least part of what you're eating was once menhaden.

Humans eat menhaden in other forms too. Menhaden are a key dietary component for a wide variety of fish, including bass, mackerel, cod, bonito, swordfish, bluefish, and tuna. The 19th-century ichthyologist G. Brown Goode exaggerated only slightly when declaring that people who dine on Atlantic saltwater fish are eating "nothing but menhaden."

And that is one problem with the intensive fishing of menhaden, which has escalated in recent decades. This vital biolink in a food chain that extends from tiny plankton to the dinner tables of many Americans appears to be threatened. The population of menhaden has been so depleted in estuaries and bays up and down the Eastern Seaboard that even marine biologists who look kindly on commercial fishing are alarmed. "Menhaden are an incredibly important link for the entire Atlantic coast," says Jim Uphoff, the stock assessment coordinator for the Fisheries Service of the Maryland Department of Natural Resources. "And you have a crashing menhaden population with the potential to cause a major ecosystem problem." Menhaden have an even more important role that extends beyond the food chain: They are filter feeders that consume phytoplankton, thus controlling the growth of algae in coastal waters. As the population of menhaden declines, algal blooms have proliferated, transforming some inshore waters into dead zones.

<SNIP>

These days Omega Protein enjoys a near monopoly fishing for menhaden. As the fish population declined and operational costs increased, many companies went bankrupt or were bought out by bigger, more industrialized corporations. Omega Protein's parent was Zapata, a Houston-based corporation cofounded by former president George Bush in 1953. Omega Protein went independent in 1998, after completing the consolidation of the menhaden industry by taking over its large Atlantic competitor, American Protein of Virginia, and its Gulf competitor, Gulf Protein of Louisiana.

http://newark.rutgers.edu/~hbf/menhaden.htm

Save the Menhaden
http://blog.nrdcactionfund.org/archives/2005/07/save_the_menhad.html
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:22 PM
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23. Stephen Hawkins says its too late. Colonize space or die.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:28 PM
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24. Fortunately, I'll be the later before we have to do the former.
I really don't want to live on Mars. I'd like to visit, though.

Repeat after me: The Mayans where right. These are the end days. The fork in the road. The ultimate end or a new beginning. We decide.




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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:31 PM
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25. Those Mayans. I have no clues about Mayan culture. But
you seem to be saying, they were gloomy prognasticators, no?
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:50 PM
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27. They saw this period as the end of the cycle
Other native cultures view it as a new beginning. Or perhaps a choice. We are certainly coming to a fork in the road, though. We don't have much time to continue on the way we are without meeting a rather dire outcome. I believe we can change, evolve. I hope we can because if we don't things don't look good. The planet can only take so much of this.



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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:49 PM
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26. you need a burgeoning ecosystem for the first centuries or so of
terraforming; it's not like you can just clap your hands and presto, you have enough oxygen and resources. The Biosphere project keeps imploding, and it shows just how irreplacable--and irreproducible--Earth's original biosphere is.
Besides, if we FUBAR one planet, we'll in all likelihood do it again; we humans have got to get out of FUBAR-causing mindsets.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 04:55 PM
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28. Fishermen will be out of their jobs if they keep this up...
Ya this is another sad nail in the global warming disaster...
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 05:18 PM
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29. oh those Canadian scientists must be lying just like they do over the seal
hunt.

/SARCASM.
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