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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:35 AM
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Pentagon ordering 100,000 replacement troops to Iraq
"Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has approved a troop rotation plan that would send more than 100,000 fresh troops to Iraq early next year, Pentagon sources said. A formal announcement is expected Thursday.

The plan includes the call-up of some 40,000 National Guard and Reserve troops for one-year tours of duty in Iraq, the sources said.

In addition, several thousand Marines, not originally part of the plan, will be used to make up for the failure of the United States to get enough commitments from other countries to field a third multinational division. There are already divisions led by the Polish and British. ""

CNN
Thursday, November 6, 2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/06/sprj.irq.main/index.html

. . .and on and on it goes, the endless war. :mad:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 08:41 AM
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1. Fresh fodder for the evil PNAC war
and whats Halliburton making this week? How much did Bush's Crpnies gain from all the dead young men and women?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:01 AM
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2. More Cheap Labor To Fight And Die For Cheap Oil And Cheap Products
Edited on Thu Nov-06-03 09:01 AM by mhr
Isn't it good to know that our soldiers are defending the likes of the Wal-Mart heirs worth 87 billion dollars collectively!

The following link explains the connection.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=660209
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:07 AM
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3. Look for the casualty count to really climb
There are already too many guard and reserve units in Iraq now, but when they go to an almost exclusive irregular units, the dead and wounded will mount.

These units are not trained for this, they don't have the equipment of the regular army. In effect we'll be sending in the B team to take our lumps.

On the evening news they said that rummy was putting this plan into action dependent upon more outside troops and Iraqi troops taking over. Isn't that what they want now? for America to get the hell out and Iraq to rule itself?

I don't feel good about this, a big push next spring, a cool spot going hot will throw a big wrench into the works, and we all know how well the neoconvicts plans have worked so far.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:12 AM
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5. The Shiites could very well be waiting for them by then too!
I just read the most chilling article in salon. It is well worth registering with the one day pass to read.


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/05/shiite/index.html

Waiting for the Command to Start Killing Americans

<snip>But things are a whole lot more subtle and complicated than that. A lot of the Shiites, like Ithir, are furious at the Americans and ready to kill. And Shiites make up 60 percent of the country; they're well-organized and have clear leadership and command structures. If they go, the Americans won't be facing the occasional roadside bomb or rocket-propelled grenade. They'll be facing a full-on nationwide insurrection.


.... Bring the Troops Home Now!!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:08 AM
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4. I'm sure the freepers are flocking to the induction station
Even some repub acquaintances of mine agree with me - the situation in Iraq is going to get worse before it gets better. I am very fearful that sending large numbers of Reserve and NG troops to Iraq will be disastrous. At a time when the enemy is becoming more and more sophisticated with their attacks, we are committing our less-trained soldiers to the war. Bush's go-it-alone strategy is a terrible failure, as we knew before it even started. I hope the American people wise up and reject this strategy, before we have losses on scale with Vietnam.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 09:43 AM
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6. Hey, I'm sorry and I really hope I am wrong, here,
but from what I have seen and heard of the "American people" they just don't give a damn. Most act as if there were no war, at all! And many are actually in support of it. I don't get it, but there is some kind of blood-lust among a large section of the country and couple that with a large measure of apathy - and you got 4 more years of Bush and a never ending war for ... what?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:15 AM
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8. You're correct Dhalgren-I met w/ my Fundy familymember last nite
I feel they're reverting to Barbarism with
Wealth. Any holes in their JesusChristis Our
Lordand Savior philosophy are filled w/
the Checkbook.
As long as the Blood and Treasure hold out
StatusQuo will be preserved.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:09 AM
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7. And it's presented to the people as a reduction
U.S. Plans to Reduce Iraq Force Next Year
NYT
Pace told a House Armed Services Committee
hearing Wednesday that the multinational
divisions led by Poland and Britain will be
replaced next year. He did not say who would
replace them.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-US-Iraq-Troops.html?ex=1069086626&ei=1&en=c7b8f6b0bd2c9931

The CNN headline :
Service to honor Chinook crash victims -

(Please read the fine print
to determine what this article is really
all about)

We're getting Doublespeak 24/7 now.
The failure to bring anyone on board
w/ us.

No mention of Spain pulling out.

Turkey was not mentioned once yesterday
on CNN/CNBC/ or CBS.

NBC led w/ abortion last nite. I didn't catch ABC.
Where's the money ($87B?) and how long
will the Reservists jobs be held for them?
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:28 AM
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9. "A conscientious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood"
- Edmund Burke said that about another George who was using local militias, shipping them around the globe, to fight colonial wars.

So that George also found he couldn't conscript cisitzens or get them to enlist voluntarily very well either so he eventually hired mercenaries. Some of the mercenaries found they 'spoke the same language' as some of the fighters for the colonials at Yorktown and switched sides in the midst of a battle.

Interesting stuff these colonial wars.

As a nation founded upon precepts of anti-colonialism we sure live in interesting times.

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Neutrino Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 10:49 AM
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10. Playing "Musical Troops" to deceive the American people--

by sending young, inexperienced troops who can't even read an Iraqi
Street sign into a burning caldron of chaos, so that Bush can
create the illusion via photo op of troops "coming home" to
feed his stupid re-election campaign. Does his Christian conscience
tell him that this will get him in to heaven? He should think
again.

More of Al Franken's lying liars. The Bush Administration has
turned the Republican Party into the first American Fascist
Regime. It will take 10 years to turn it back to a semblance of
America the Beautiful.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-03 11:49 AM
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11. This article makes it sound like they're ordering up so many
French fries at McDonalds or something. Extrapolate the impacts of yet another 100,000 people being shipped to Iraq, with the 140,000 or so that have already served there, and you might come up with several million people who have been affected.

I'll bet, that the majority of those affected are no longer fans of BushCo, and when election time rolls around, a majority of military votes will be for ABB (anyone but Bush). Behind every grey cloud .....
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