Klayman gets the Cheney Energy papers....

and guess - just guess - what's in them?

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at: www.JudicialWatch.org.

The Saudi Arabian and United Arab Emirates (UAE) documents likewise feature a map of each country’s oilfields, pipelines, refineries and tanker terminals. There are supporting charts with details of the major oil and gas development projects in each country that provide information on the projects, costs, capacity, oil company and status or completion date.

Did The Thug Cabal have plans beyond Iraq? Looks like they had a whole shopping list, if you ask me.

-as

exactly one year before the Boy-King said, "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out." And exactly two years before we fucking tried to take Saddam out. Hmmm....

Cheney is done, stick a fork in him.

IMAGINE PRESIDENT KERRY!!
1971 Peace Rally where Lennon introduced Kerry

This is only part of the picture.

Great find, Stranger :hi:

Why hasn't the media picked it up? No Buzzflash...no peek. Peaks my cynicism

just HOW BIG does everyone think this is, and will it get covered by the cable stations? Seems to me this is a huge problem (yet another) for Bushco...

Even Klayman said he thought Jan 2004 (after the ct of appeals affirmed the DC ruling that Cheney had to turn the docs over).

Whoa.....

A shopping list indeed.......

So cheney's "Energy Papers" contain Iraqi oil fields!

I bet those Soldier's Loved Ones who died in Iraq would love to know that!! :grr:

reading this? Very sad.

The People who were Protesting the Attack on Iraq and not the known liar; bush!

We must search these docs carefully and press the press to follow up!

More drips....

can you imagine what was said in those meetings ?

Evil, Greedy scumbags.....i cant imagine a young soldier sacrificing his life for this gang of crooks. It looks like it wasnt "Saddam was a bad guy" or "mass graves" or "spreading democracy"

:puke:

Now the questioning begins: who provided these maps and oil infrastructure info to Cheney?

Who was on the guest list for secret meetings?

Who on said list is no working to pump oil out of Iraq?

How are the foreign interests who may have had an interest in Iraqi oil being treated pre and post-war?

And finally: where do we go from here?

available in Oil and Gas Journal, etc
http://membres.lycos.fr/middle_east/Radoicic-1986-01.htm
http://geology.cr.usgs.gov/energy/WorldEnergy/OF97-470B/arabGmap.html

And bidders for some lease blocks (maybe all?) are also routinely discussed in these sorts of publications, but _WHO_ was at the damn meetings, and _WHY_ were they discussing Iraqi fields... Those are interesting and as yet unanswered questions.

Isn't that correct?

I mean, these papers are more than just a collection of maps. These maps are supposed to have notes and correspondence germaine to them. Wasn't that what the fight was all about? Executive priviledge versus public dissemination?

I am just asking. The potentials of this revelation have me salivating. The maps help the case of us guys in the white hats. The notes are the ace up the sleeve.

This shit is getting ridiculous!

A couple of examples:
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/watch/Policywatch/policywatch1997/283.htm

http://www.converger.com/eiacab/iraq.htm
As of June 1997, there reportedly were almost 60 foreign oil companies from a wide variety of countries that were in discussions with the Iraqi government (see table at the end of this report). U.S. firms which have held talks on Iraqi field development include: Amoco, Arco, Chevron, Coastal, Conoco, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, and Texaco. Iraq plans to offer new fields to foreign oil companies through production sharing contracts (PSC), joint ventures, and service contracts. Initially, Iraq plans to offer up to 25 new fields to foreign companies. Ten of these fields, with a production potential of 2.7 MMBD, are slated for development under PSCs with foreign companies. Four of these fields are located in southern Iraq and, with a combined production potential of 2.1 MMBD, represent the cornerstone of Iraq's post-sanction development plans. These four "giant" southern fields are Majnoon, West Qurna, Nahr Umar, and Halfaya.

PS. Cheney is a criminal. He still hasn't released the attendees or minutes for these task force meetings.

I think I have seen this "part of the show" before. <watergate>

Helen Thomas is right - worst pResident in history.

We have GOT to send this out to the talking heads. BUSTED BIGTIME!!

:bounce:

Sue

That is the sound of this whole fiasco blowing up in their faces.

Interesting isn't it how a National Energy Assement would have maps of Iraqi, and Saudi oil fields.

Hehehehehehehehehehehe

:hurts: oh yes it does. I bet Cheney blows an O-ring tommorow.

Jeremy

these maps are like a PNAC travel brochure...

I advise everyone to not only save this JW page to their hard drives, but download and save these documents too! Just in case!!!


these devils are en route back to hell, and JW just found a shortcut :evilgrin:

I still expect to see the pipeline plans...to Enron's Dabhol plant in India.

keep looking, Mr. Klayman

...the major media outlets pick up on it.

This is just one more test of how willing the media whores are to cover Bush's ass.

contact the media with a very friendly ahem
nudge... :donut: feed them too while at it
remember a well fed (aka annoyed) media will
actually work for you... AFTER a lot of
presure.

Now if we can get moveon.org involved... if
you get my drift.

Ah burn the midnight oil writing a letter to my
"friendly" paid and bought for media.

Times a wastin'! :evilgrin:

Get those faxes, phones, letters, and flyers moving!!
Somebody please call Rush. I have a busy schedule tomorrow and can't hang on the phone that long.

So what becomes Public will be Klayman's choice.

DUers always keep one eye open!

:tinfoilhat:

He may just use it to get leverage, but.....what is already released is pretty damning....

There seems to be a movement afoot to impeach Cheney. Foreign suitors of Iraqi oilfields? in march of 2001 ?, that sounds incriminating, to the extreme.

If this is going to take off, i would expect major stories in the NY Times, and USA Today in the next 48 hours.

I believe that the Sierra Club was also a plaintiff in this case and will have access to the same records. I do not think that the Sierra Club has any desire to protect Bush or Cheney.

to all of us!

:kick:

media outlet and talking head in the universe!?!

Holy moly.

Bev

A total Clinton witch hunt operation.......

http://www.judicialwatch.org/cases.shtml

- Judicial Watch Notice of Suit to Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban - On behalf of its client, a victim of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, JW serves its court-approved Notice of its lawsuit against the above named defendants. See the Notice in English and Arabic. Click here for a copy of the complaint (English, Arabic) - (Jul 17, 2003)

Note to Tony and * - Pay attention, your evidence of WMD was shite, and the Saddie 9-11 tie is also manufactured bull. Please leave now.

...And it looks like there are oil fields marked on Cheney's map that aren't on the actual map of Iraqi oil fields from the same time period I found.

Here's the actual March 2001 one:
http://www.reliefweb.int/w/map.nsf/0/50B6CEC6E1C76DBB85256CCB006CB008?Opendocument

Another thing I'm finding odd are those 'Block 1', 'Block 2', etc... areas parceled out in Western Iraq where there aren't any oilfields (yet). Do those look like exploration claims 'for rent' or something?

What I'm thinking looking at this is that it isn't a map of Iraq's oil fields. It's a map of what they WANT to do in Iraq regarding their oil industry. In other words, a plan, not a description.

I'm going to peruse the Saudi Arabia and UAE ones, and see if I can compare that with maps of the actual oil industries as they were in 2001.

You'll see various companies and the blocks to which they correspond.

Could those unidentified markings be water? another of Iraq's resources.

I'm still trying to figure out a screen shot, so I'll be back later.

by various concerns.

Good point! Water is not real abundant in the mideast, but Iraq is well supplied.

So many presents for us today!!!

never mind

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml

-as

get this information and give it to as many people as possible. The bloggers, the news websites, email the mass media... this has got to get to everyone as fast as possible.

This is HUGE!

DTH

I saw it on Tom Tomorrow's blog, and when I noticed no one had posted it here yet, I did.

-as

http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/contactinfo.htm

Thanks!

I am also remembering a URL for an e-mail blaster that would mail all of Congress, or all of the media, though. Does that ring any bells to anyone? If that is on MWO, I can't find it.

DTH

however, it lists everyone individually: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

http://www.globalfreepress.com

though I can't find the media e-mail-blaster yet, being distracted by great new stuff there.

But I don't think BPilgrim would take the blaster off the site.

I was looking to scam the code a while back and it was gone.....maybe he hid it someplace else. OOOPs I guess he didn't...never mind.

RC

3 times....No wonder Chenney did not want to release these papers. Oh my god, I have been so worried that I was getting my hopes up, and the negative attacks would suddenly stop, and all the hub bub would go away. Not anymore....this is biggggggggg. It will not stay under wraps. He is really going down!!!!!!

B-)

No wonder they didn't want us to see them.

Holy yoicks.

I dont think Junior could get 10% of the vote with Sneering Dick on the ticket.

Velcro, velcro , velcro

These people are gonna pay BIGTIME.

Wow, this is definately a surprise.....not what was in them, but the fact that they were actuallu released.

DOes it say anything about California?

"Holy Lawsuits Batman!"


:hi:

at PBS.org. Klayman was interviewed either last week or the week before and he said it was coming soon.

Yippee! This is great timing. The more we have coming at Bushco* at once, the less able they will be to get their talking points in order. I hope.

Thanks americanstranger and CatWoman, this needs to stay right on top.

Edited to add:
http://www.pbs.org/now/printable/transcript_klayman_print.html

<snip>KLAYMAN: Very soon. You'll start seeing these documents coming out in the latter part of this year.

And they may show no wrongdoing by the Bush administration. We've never presumed that there were… there were illegal acts. But we need to have full disclosure. Because energy policy is so much tied to the war in terrorism that it's even a matter of national security that the American people know what's going on.<snip>

The link he makes between energy policy and terrorism is interesting.

Wonders never cease.

.

I saw Klayman on NOW and forgot about it until you mentioned it. Information overload to the max since this resident was crowned.

Al Qeuda operating on a regular 2 year basis? so we should expect another soon (as i read it) since this info is soon to be revealed?

hmm, energy policy/al queda links.

dp

....I'm curious as to whether or not Mr Baxter was present at those meetings???.....I was hoping that the Caspin Sea Basin would be mentioned, now I discover that the schematic for the oil facilities and pipelines were essentially ready to be downloaded w/GPS coordinates....Certainly casts a new shadow on the 911 Investigation....

I don't know whether Cliff Baxter attended any of Cheney's energy task force meetings. However, there were concerns about Enron's accounting schemes surfacing inside Enron and Arthur Andersen at that time, among a few insiders.

I can tell you a few things that happened at the time of March 2001 though. Be sure to note, toward the end, who WASN'T meeting with Cheney and his energy task force.

This is all documented stuff.

MARCH 2001

-March 2001 - Sherron Watkins later testified before the House of Representatives: "I had also heard from one of Mr. Baxter's close friends that he had a conversation with Mr. Skilling in March of 2001. Mr. Baxter's recollection of the meeting was that he told Mr. Skilling 'we are headed for a train wreck, and it is your job to get out in front of the train and try to stop it.'

- March 2001 - Peabody Energy chairman Irl Engelhardt and other energy executives meet with two Cheney task-force members, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham and Bush economic adviser Larry Lindsey. Cheney's group also hears from officials from the nuclear-energy industry-whose trade association, the Nuclear Energy Institute, will contribute $100,000 to the Bush event on 21 May 2001. Both coal and nuclear power will get major endorsements in the task-force report. Peabody Energy is a coal behemoth whose holding company and top officer have given nearly $200,000 to the President and his party since Bush took office, including $25,000 for the May gala.

- March - "I would love to meet with Ken," writes Florida Governor Jeb Bush in an email reply to Bill Bryant, a lobbyist for a Tallahassee law firm representing Ken Lay. Lay had asked to set up a meeting with the governor, and Bryant e-mailed Bush to say that Lay "has asked if it would be possible to visit you in Tallahassee in the near future. The topic would be the energy deregulation bill pending in Congress and Enron's plan for a national media campaign promoting the benefits of a competitive electric energy market. When the bill now pending in Congress becomes law, a competitive wholesale market will soon follow. Mr. Lay would like to discuss this with you and explain how it would affect Florida." Instead of an actual meeting, a 30-minute phone call between Lay and Bush will be set up April 17. Governnor Bush will deny any memory of the phone call on 7 Feb 2002.

- March 1 - Haley Barbour, former RND chairman, writes a memo to Cheney, on behalf of the coal industry, suggesting the president must provide a sound energy policy by not taking action against carbon dioxide. "A moment of truth is arriving. The question is whether environmental policy still prevails over energy policy with Bush-Cheney, as it did with Clinton-Gore," Barbour wrote. Among Barbour's 50 lobbying clients are the Electric Reliability Coordinating Council, an industry coalition. The lobbying group - which paid Barbour's firm a half-million dollars last year - was set up by power-generation companies including FirstEnergy, Duke Energy and the Tennessee Valley Authority. FirstEnergy was a top contributor to the Bush campaign.

- March 4 - Tests in recent days confirm the world's largest oil find in three decades in the Kashagan field in the Caspian Sea. Kashagan is a single reservoir at least 25 miles across, and two-and-a-half times the size of the nearby Tengiz field.

- March 7 - Enron officials meet a second time with Cheney to discuss energy policy.

- March 13 - Bush, in a policy reversal, declares that his administration will not seek to regulate power plants' emissions of carbon dioxide, citing an Energy Department study that regulating these emissions could result in higher electricity prices.

- March 15 - United States Secretary of Energy Abraham testifies before Congress that power blackouts in California this summer are "inevitable." However, he does not argue for any federal government action to avert this outcome.

- March 19 - The second set of rolling blackouts hits California, affecting southern California for first time.

- March 20 - An official from the American Petroleum Institute sends an e-mail to Joseph Kelliher, a Department of Energy policy adviser, proposing language for a presidential directive governing energy regulations. API calls it "a suggested executive order to ensure that energy implications are considered and acted on in rulemakings and other executive actions." Bush will issue Executive Order 13211 on 18 May 2001, using nearly identical language to that supplied by API.

- March 22 -A low-level Energy Department staffer calls Grenpeace and and gives the environmental organization 24 hours to provide any input it has on energy policy. Greenpeace decides not to scramble to meet the tight deadline. "If they were serious about getting input," says Greenpeace spokesman Gary Skulnik, "that was certainly not the way to go about it."

- March 26 - Sen. Dianne Feinstein sends the second of three letters to Bush requesting a meeting to discuss California's dire energy situation. These requests are denied.

- March 29 - Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham meets with Enron executives Joe Hartsoe and Linda Robertson.

It's all starting to come apart at the seems, no???

:shrug::evilgrin::shrug:

:bounce: :nuke: :bounce: :bounce: :nuke: :bounce: :bounce: :nuke: :bounce: :bounce: :nuke: :bounce: :bounce: :nuke: :bounce: :bounce: :nuke: :bounce:

If this doesn't bring them down nothing will.

Coward - Liar - Incompetent CEO - Did I say liar?

Again, I want to state upfront that I'm not defending them--ok?

Wouldn't it be plausible that the energy papers would need to contain info about the state of Middle Eastern oil given our huge dependence on it? Is it possible that the media will dismiss this as a partisian attack on Unca Dick?

Laura

Isn't there some sort of ban/embargo on doing business with Iraq? If there is, why have these plans?

Is there any way these slimeballs can spin this so as to make any outrage look like tinhat kooks. I for one have always thought that the reason Cheney et al were fighting the release of these documents was because they contained references to the PNAC plan for conquering Iraq.

If this proves to be the case then it's firing squad time. But, I am just a little sceptical about these viscious battards' number of lives.

Then why did they work so hard and for so long to conceal them?

Let them explain why there was an attempt to hide these.

no callers ahead of me, and will be plugging DU, american stranger for posting this great thread...

Washington Insiders, always know things in advance, for last couple of weeks, may have known this was coming......

Tweety and other whores are turning on the administration, but not Junior, they seem to be focusing on Sneering Dick. I think the Uranium flap and future investigations, may be partially pursued with the objective of getting Dick to resign.

I think Junior is un-electable
with absolute certitude, unless the Sneering Dick resigns.

thanks for the quote, too! :hi:

"Energy Papers" earlier and I've been listening all night!

I could have missed it, though!

You were great! :toast:

:bounce:

sorry I forgot to thank stranger, but Mike threw me off saying they talked about it already. hmmm...i might have to download the entire show to find out, but I hate to listen to my voice. i can always turn off the last 5 minutes...

On the Foreign Contracts pdf, there's only one page, and, alphabetically, it doesn't go up to the US. That's the page I want to see.

where is PAGE 2 ?!? I want to know what US suitors there were back in 2001.

Couple this stuff with 9-11 and it's good night, Adolf!

Thank you very much. I already copied and pasted everything. Let me know how to do a screen shot. I want to save this on a CD. Thanks.

Then just paste into your photo editor.

I had forgotten that I need to use the shift key to press "print screen". Screen shots don't work for pdf, at least it didn't for me. I got the others, though.

I'll be saving these on a CD.

When you have the pdf file up on your screen, click on the key "PrtScSysRq" on your keyboard. then open a graphic program, and paste (Ctrl V).

I agree with the above poster...this is a wish list.....

All the text files seem to be focused on what the opportunities may be, could be, if only, if only WE WERE OCCUPYING.......

them to come up from that dark smelly place and write an honest report for once!

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wow...just wow

Are there more drips for this flood???

:shrug:

I give this a 25% chance of being substantial.

Jeebus, it would be great though.

"Mr. Vice President, can you please explain why you were interested in Iraq's oil fields in 2001?"

This important post by americanstranger is number Nine one one

A sign, ok..now I know I need my tinfoil hat :silly:

And you, tbhpolitoon are very observant!!

THAT COULD TOTALLY EFFECT THE RECALL. I bet they have them under lock and chain and those WMD weve been looking for.

He was at 909 when posting this story. He's made two replies since his initial post, so now he has 911.

A couple other posters mentioned the 911 tie-in. Klayman has a client who has been trying to spill some beans for awhile. They had a press conf. on CSPAN right around the time Rowley was testifying.

"In a memo written 91 days before Sept. 11, Special Agent Robert G. Wright Jr. warned that Americans would die as a result of the FBI's failure to investigate terrorists living in this country. "

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/30/161204.shtml

(Sorry about the newmax source; here is the google search if anyone wants a better source).

http://tinyurl.com/hatl

I am a little dense.

The purpose of the suit was to get to the bottom of "alleged" price fixing on energy to drive the price of energy up...to increase the profits of the energy companies. And they did this by making it appear like there was a shortage of energy......demand was high (it was COLD that winter), and the prices skyrocketed.

and the allegation is that Cheney assisted the energy companies in this illegal charade.

and there were meetings...that JW wanted to get the details of. Hell, Congress did, but Cheney said NOPE, and they said, "oh, okay."

So.......DRAW me a (pipe)line between the energy crisis of 2000/2001 AND these maps, please.

I think we got something pretty unexpected, but far more damning. Instead of documenting plans for a fake energy crisis they show Cheney et al. divvying up foriegn countries before 911, before the Iraq invasion, before anything. It's a wish list of the neocons and oil companies.

... Those compassionate conservatives knew that the world's oil is fast running out and the place to be if you want to get richer quicker is right in the middle of the oil.

These documents demonstrate the BFEE had a plan for doing something BIG with the world's major oil deposits. The Iraqi map denotes "Operational Refineries," meaning the little oily turds wanted to know where the juice is getting activated.

Still, even while intentionally starving California utilities and gouging consumers, ENRON was going to be going down the business crapper without, literally, a lock on big income in the short term. Controlling the Middle East and Caspian basin oil and gas would do for starters.

So, Bush turned his back on 9-11, making possible the set of conditions needed to move in the Marines and the Third Infantry Division ASAFP. For Bushler, that was 9-11. Tony the Poodle had to talk him out of it and go for Osama FIRST.

This should get the whole bloody lot impeached, tried, convicted, and for the lucky ones, imprisoned for life. The others? I'd turn them over to the Iraqi and Afghani courts.

well, said energy crisis was manufactured. the deregulation was going to lower prices thru competitoin, I believe that the conspiracy was revieled here in el paso tx, a satalite company of the oil pipeline here was charging 2,800% more than before deregulation. aparently the pipeline is broken up in sections and each little fiefdom along the way gets its share. then several key generators were shut down for schedualed repairs during the peak demand season. and there were transmission problems never encountered before. basiclly CA was bankrupted then the Fascists point their fingers at davis and blame him for CA's problem, start a recall so a republican is incumbent in the CA presidential race.............as for the maps, it looks to me these were for our future energy supplies and policies, consider where they were found...part of the 'Big Empire' picture.

Or the energy company fleecing spree in California?

I don't get it actually. Are these maps all that they got from the FOIA lawsuit? If not, why aren't they giving us the rest of the info? If it is all that they have, I don't get how it shows anything in particular relative to the US. Does it indicate that the US was going to somehow be involved with those oilfields?

Not yet anyway. Any national level discussion of the US's energy needs, usage and requirements would have to include its sources of oil. The oil in many parts of the world is running out and the US requires huge quantities of it to continue to be the world's most powerful nation, economically and militarily (the armed forces run on gasoline too).

So it's not a problem per se to have maps of SA, AE and Iraq in there. What seems to me to be more of a problem is why there aren't Afghani maps? (Scrubbed? or just not found in the pile of paper yet)

I'm waiting for more to come out before I get too excited about this. If it turns out, as some have suggested here, that they were apportioning Saudi land to US Companies with the intention of taking the land forcefully, then we'll have a smoking gun. They may, however, just have been having US companies bid on lots of land that the Saudis would open up for exploration, for instance.

I'm going to sread the word around that these exist, but I'm not going to shoot my wad prematurely on this one.



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for the gas from Kazikstan (and the other Soviet states) to run through. But still a good question. I frankly don't believe ANY of what they find will result in anything damning since they've had so g-damned long to scrub everything. It's all just smoke I am sure.

the timing though? Today of all days when they didn't even expent these papers until jan 04. Is this to try to keep W from going down with the rest of them. Cause it is not just gonna be cheney. Someone help me out here.

How complete this info is... redacted, sanitized, etc.

Klayman's involvement makes me vewy vewy suspicious.

:kick:

that i don't think this means squat without knowing exactly who was in the meetings, and where the dam*ed map of afghanistan is with the pipeline to enron's power plant in india. unless there are truly some plans revealed by these maps and lists, and something that really shows that aggressive efforts would be necessary to secure those plans, i'm going to say that cheney was using this entire thing as a distraction to prove "there's nothing there." more frigging "look over here!" slight-of-hand-stuff from the administration. who rifled through these "papers" before they were released? and if there are more papers, what is on them? and WHO WERE THE PEOPLE AT THE MEETINGS???

Down down down...

:bounce: :bounce:

I just hope they don't have anything in store as a historical distraction. It's too late but will they accept that?

I always felt this Iraq invasion was planned before the 2000 election!!
The desperado's had to rob Gore of his Presidency so they could get in to the Whitehouse and go after the oil in Iraq.
I fu**ing knew it!!
I hope this little fu*k burns in hell along with his piece of shit VP!!

Maybe in order to know where to send troops to secure Iraqi oilfields? All they needed was something to make the US people go along with whatever they wanted. Could that have been 911?

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Oil plot maps and Iraqi oil concessions, dating back to 1997?

I demand my representatives enter dual articles of impeachment, Bush first and then Cheney! Crime? Treason and Fraud, conduct And international agencies start proceedings for the criminal war crime trials of the century. The hell that this war wasn't about oil! Our soliders are being killed for an old-fashion oil resource grab (kinda like that 1955 Suez War that found the US on the 'wrong' side) and all benefiting Cheney buddies and other oil industrial cartel members, the oil-garchy.

All oligarchies, wherein a few men domineer, do what they list. --Burton.

Write to your representatives ...

Also kudos to Judicial Watch on this coup ... wonder if they have the balls to 'Bring it on!"

I absolutely believe that these people have a long term agenda and must work frenetically in spurts at certain times. We just had a spurt. I absolutely believe they wanted oil in Iraq and could care less about what Hussein did or could do. They used our soldiers not in defense of we, the citizens, but as corporate soldiers for oil.

But, these maps have to have text or testimony with them or they'll be ' 'splainin' 'em away '. Their realase could also be a trap.