Naked 'Bambi' hunts spur outrage

LAS VEGAS, Nevada (Reuters) -- Outraged by a Las Vegas company that claims to offer men a chance to stalk and shoot naked women in the Nevada desert with paintball guns, women's groups and government agencies were scrambling to find a way to shut down such "Bambi" hunts. ...

The company has a Las Vegas business license to sell a $20 video of hunters chasing nude women through the woods as a spoof on hunting videos that feature men hunting deer.

That video was staged, Real Men spokesman David Krekelberg said, but it gave rise to the idea of hosting hunts with paintball guns and charging men $10,000 for such weekend tours.

Krekelberg said the company has so far hosted 18 "Bambi" hunts in undisclosed locations around Las Vegas. In each, a hunter faces off with two women dressed in nothing but sneakers, each of whom receive $1,000 and can earn up to $2,500 if they make it through the hour without being struck by the paintball, he said.
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What's all the fuss about? If they're willing to participate, who cares?

Unless these hunters are using the poor or mentally deficient, I cannot see anything illegal. Morally wrong? Absolutely arguable! A sign of perversion and immaturity? Certainly a possibility. Should it be outlawed? I can find no reason for that!

Letting this sort of thing go on, as long as the participants are willing and able to consent to it as adults is one bizarre slice of the entire pantheon of the happiness which we are allowed to pursue, thanks to our great Constitution.

PB

I think if you had the option of using your college degree(s) or daddy's connections to get a nice office job sitting around and drinking coffee you wouldn't choose instead to doff your clothes and let men with perverse views on women shoot you for cash.
And make no mistake, if the idea of shooting naked women with paintball guns appeals to you, your ideas about women are most likely more than a little unsound.

at this particular moment. Of course, I'm currently convinced that all women are evil.

or between $1000 and $2500 for running around for an afternoon, naked, while having old rich fat guys trying to shoot you with paint...

Well, it's pretty good for a part-time job. I'd certainly do it, if I could get a gig like that. Of course, I'm old and ugly and male, so I doubt I'd be hired...

Doesn't matter what people agree to....being shot at?

But it's just women, I mean if it were children, or old people, or visible minorities it would be outrageous, but it's just women.
Some american men have to get over their macho, misogynistic attitudes.

you must be a man! :grr:

you must be a man! :grr: would you want your daughter doing this???

Paintball is a rip.

Hunting Bambi is a sign of how we can dehumanize people enough so we can use them for our sick pleasures.
It's the "survivor" mentality. The circus that the Christians provided for the Roman masses. The de humanizing of whole races of people so we don't have to care.

I guess some people would rather live in a world were we had respect for each other.

but not have the right to be shot at with a paint ball gun by some idiots?

am I missing something here?

from whether of not one chooses to have a baby or not.

I don't care if some stupid woman wants to be shot at to make a few bucks. However I do mind what it does to society's perception of how women should be treated.

so don't even bring up the abortion issue; this is unrelated. Say gals, let's have men run naked in sneakers and shoot them with paintballs, Na, too icky to contemplate.

It would be their CHOICE. And it would be just as repugnant.

if you'll pay me between $1000 and $2500 for an afternoon...Hell, if you want, for $2500, I'll stand still, and let 10 of you (I don't care what gender the shooters are) shoot me (while I'm naked) with a paint pellet gun all afternoon at close range.

I don't think I'd be "demeaned" by it...and I could use the cash....

Isn't prostitution semi-legal in Vegas?

So they'll let women be sexually penetrated by men for money.

But being shot with paintballs is an outrage?

Female: run around naked and get shot with paintballs. OR get penetrated by strange men and potentially capture an infectious disease?

Of course, the fact that some women have these choices is a sad reflection on our society.

where do you guys get off comparing this or prostitution with "choice" as if that were a winning argument? Think you really have the feminists on the ropes now huh? It is amazing that otherwise, left of center (I assume)men, still think they speak for women better than women do.

spouting support of this crap are "left" or even "dems"...it's disgusting!

btw, thanks for the feminist support, cheswick ^5!

<i>It is amazing that otherwise, left of center (I assume)men, still think they speak for women better than women do.</i>
It's amazing that you think you speak for all women. Those who chose to do this are women, I saw part of the tape. You don't want to do it, don't do it but don't put people who are consistent down.

You got women and men doing humiliating stuff every single day for $$ or fame. it's called choice.
Should we outlaw porn especially the one that humiliates women (99% of it)?

According to the info on that page, if the hunter hits his target, then he gets to "mount" her. And from the language used and the nudge, nudge, wink, wink attitude, they didn't mean on a plaque to hang on the wall.

Plus the original post about this "game" stated that the paint ball hit is quite painful on bare skin... The women interviewed didn't seem to like it much, but they needed the money.

the fundies are right and the end is near.

It's the end of the world as we know it. How about if neo-nazis or skin heads want to "hunt" blacks, jews, hipanics, liberals with paint guns and make films for sale to their dim-witted minions?

Jesus! and God! Zeus, Hera, and Hades!! This is very uplifting!

I would pay a lot to hunt Rush, Ann Coulter, etc. with a paintball gun. We could have a neo-con paint ball hunt! They wouldn't object to being targets, they have already shown they have no shame. It would be a great fund raiser too. I pay $10 grand (hey, I have some home equity I can borrow against), they get $1K, the rest goes to DU.

Looks like they were right, at least partly -

"That video was staged, Real Men spokesman David Krekelberg said, but it gave rise to the idea of hosting hunts with paintball guns and charging men $10,000 for such weekend tours."

if they don't get "balled", only $1000 if they do. Sounds like a great excuse for a 7500 pimp charge and a $1500 bonus payoff if she can talk him into "shooting" her with something other than paint.

and between 1,000 and 2,500 per girl (at least two)...that means up to half of the money goes to the women.

a 50% cost of labor doesn't seem too outrageous to me...especially when you consider other costs (advertising, getting the land, buying and setting up the "obstacles", having a camera crew or two, equipment, legal costs, et cetera.)

I've sat here thru 3 days of coverage on this issue, complete with blurred out takes from the stupid video, the originator of this idea getting interviewed, and even one of the women (as vapid as you'd expect) who participated being interviewed.

Not a hoax.

Eloriel

The whole point of the Web site for the Vegas operation at http://www.huntingforbambi.com/ is to sell the video. The site was down for about 3 days while it was hastily redone after the TV expose.

And the idea is not original. Please see http://www.hunt-naked-women.com - Look carefully for what's NOT there as well as the banner and popup ads.

I believe it's all a hoax.

Where the hell am I?

Where the hell is the skepticism?

Where is the intense thought and analytical process of investigation?

I am so disapointed with DU today and it has nothing to do with error msgs!

The press get's duped every day and now you have been too.

These guys are laughing all the way to the bank!

Damn fools!

Zizzer

with naked men (no undies) and female hunters.

If a woman was willing to pay you for this. Wouldn't you accept the challenge? As an athlete if not for the money. Admitedly, nudity is not a problem for me. Americans are rather unique in the Western cultures with their aversion to nudity. IMO it leads to over-rating physical appearance.

The chance of making $2500 if you out-smart some guy obbsessed with nude women sounds great to me. Bring'em on.

but it's definitely illustrative of the disturbing culture of violence in this country. Seems kind of twisted to me. I wouldn't participate.

I have to admit it certainly portrays women in a dark manner. The idea of one human 'hunting' another, is pretty pathetic to begin with,
but to add to the depravity by using naked women is a bit much for me to take.

I love naked women, but I can think of better ways to treat them, and they don't need tennis shoes either.

How long before they start using live ammunition? I swear, people in this country scare me sometimes.

The concept that somehow hunting people with live ammunition is a natural extension of this is...well, it should be self-evident what it is.

PB

That's what it is. The guy promoting this actually said it's "wimps" who are always complying with their wives and they get a chance to go out and get their agressions out. Yeah, a guy who spends $10,000 doing this has a nagging wife. Right.

This is nothing more than a business supporting the abuse of women. Abuse, not sex. Just because you can find some women to willingly accept abuse, doesn't mean you ought to make it legal.

would you have a problem if it was all done by men? Kind of "The Naked Prey" but with paintball guns?

"Just because you can find some women to willingly accept abuse, doesn't mean you ought to make it legal."

What about B&D/S&M? People there are accepting, even courting, abuse. Should that be illegal too?

and this really burns my toast. I gives paintballers a really bad name. Yet, I have to wonder if this isn't a hoax. On the cnn page it shows a "bambi" in what appears to be shot of the video. The main thing that anyone with half a brain would ask, "where in the f*#@ is her eye protection?" You don't play witout some eyewear or better yet face protection. Imagine the lawsuits if a eye is taken out, or worse it it kills her (which can happen). This smells like a bunch of BS. A topshelf entertainer can make that in a single night and NOT end up with huge black, blue, and yellow bruises that WILL last for at least 2 weeks. Plus, you have to be fucking nuts to do that bare assed. Ever see the video of Johnny "Jackass" Knoxville get shot up for the Rolling Stone cover?
Paintball can be a dangerous sport and needs to be treated with the caution and safety of any other extreme sport.

But this is not about dehumanizing women, or allowing for exploitation. This is simply a worker's safety issue. In the blurbs I've seen about this, it was remarked that the people running this event feel that it would be less like hunting if they wore eye protection or clothing protecting vital areas. Is it less like building if a constrution worker has to wear a hardhat?
These workers have to be reasonably protected agaisnt injury regerdless of the fact that they agreed to do it. This is the issue. It is a dehumanization of people to treat them as prey, but it doesn't, in itself, make it a crime. What does is not adequately protecting your workers. It they can't get the men to hunt them in gear that protects them from injury, well, boo hoo.

eom

then if they appeared on The Bachaelor.

n/m

Where they chased people instead of foxes. They wore clothes though. At any rate, I thought it was preferable to chase down some guy who was getting paid to outrun them than to have all those fools tallyhoing after a poor little fox.

And I see nothing wrong with this except the women should be wearing eye protection.

And if a woman/male wants to earn $1,000 for running around nude, go for it

on CNN. He was truly scary. He said the sorts of men who engage in this hunt are the downtrodden, henpecked types who want to have their fantasy revenge. In other words, he admits that the theme isn't sex, but VIOLENCE, and that men do this to indulge in the fantasy of hurting or killing women.

He was challenged by a representative from a women's organization (Faye Wattleston?) who said that society had problems enough with violence against women without this sort of entertainment. The guy responded, "Oh please! So there's violence against women! What are you women going to whine about next?"

Even scarier was a statement by one of the men interviewed that hunting naked women was simply "every man's fantasy."

As the CNN anchorman said, "EXCUSE ME? Did he say this is EVERY MAN'S fantasy?"

Marketing. "Every man's fantasy" hardly. Probably not even most men's

I too find the idea that a "henpecked" man has $10K to drop on this nonsense ridiculous. If he does, he ought to have the wherewithal to get out of that kind of relationship. That's no more healthy for him than shooting women with paintballs is.

Instead of military service, everyone gets 2 years of shrinkage.

Imagine if all the fear and hostility people feel were managed in a constructive way. How would bushco start a war?

was he not?

CLINTON'S PENIS

Any man who goes on one of these hunts should be required to register as a sex offender because only a sick FUCK of the highest order would find this entertaining.

While I admit to finding this whole concept offensive, what excites people ranges from the mundane to the bizarre. We don't have a right to declareacts between consenting adults illegal unless someone is harmed.

to protect other women from the results of this kind of thinking.

Yes, we could order them to allow the women to wear goggles, for safety. But what grounds other than moral would make it illegal?

to protect all those poor boys from the danger of homo-sexuals!

Thank you Mrs. Santorum!

What else are you going to make illegal? BLow jobs!

Get a life.

Zizzer

"Hunting Sambo"? Or "Hunting Hymie?"

Is that okay with everyone here? If the black or Jewish man agree to participate for 10% or less, that makes it peachy, right? Never mind the message it sends?

I sat with a girlfriend of mine in a hospital room for three days. She had been kidnapped, taken into the hills, had her skull fractured in three places by a bottle, had been battered in her face so badly that her eyes were swollen shut, her face was three times its normal size, and she was virtually unrecognizable.

I'm sorry, but there is just no room in my world for a paintball (or video) game where you can "hunt down" a woman and pretend to kill her.

Unless I disagree or find it degrading or repulsive. At that point the stupid or ignorant women who disagree with ME should be forced by law to stop whatever activity I disagree with.

This includes any video games that I determine to be offensive or demeaning. MY standard will be the world wide standard and will be permenently, although arbitrarily, set in stone....until I change it.


Movie, T.V and all other media will have to be reviewed by ME before shown to any other person on the face of the earth. This is to protect those that don't have the capacity to determine what is acceptable by ME.


As for sex acts, these will be confined to those approved by ME and predetermined to be non-abusive or demeaning, by ME. This is to also include clothing which I have reviewed and found to be demeaning and exploitive to and of women.


That is the only way that these and all women can be free to express their freedom in the use of their bodies.

NO FREE SPEECH FOR FASCISTS.

Libertarians scream freedom, freedom.. but also they stubbornly refuse to have compassion,responsibility and to consider freedom isn't freedom if it is used to manipulate,exploit,abuse or denigrate people.
Freedom is not free when your fellow human being is desperate and hurting.We are responsible for each other's well being and safety because we are all connected to each other in this world.No man is or can ever become an island.

Authoritarians and irresponsible bullies are INCOMPATIBLE with human freedom.Libertarians haven't figured this out yet,because they can't have enough compassion to define abuse without sacrificing some of thier fantasy of absolute freedom .So they can scream freedom all day,blindly and certain people like the jackass selling the nude cruel paintball games loves it..Because libertarian arguments are basically arguments for hierarchy and social darwinism,they are arguments favored by authoritarians and all exploiters of humanity and human will.

This kind of mental simplicity libertarians use is useful to authoritarians and bullies because they seek to hijack the basic definition of freedom and twist it into a self serving re- definition which is basically some form of "survival of the fittest" or an excuse to define 'freedom'as the 'freedom to abuse others.They will rationalize anything no matter how sick under thier black and white banner of freedom and "free choice"..

So if they can convince others that some people have more worth than others do,than it's so easy to rationalize how poor people deserve being poor, and can so easily "choose" to sell themselves.There is a HUGE denial of reality going on with Libertarians and bullies.

By in a selfish way,reading into other's life situations with terms like lazy or drug addicted or stupid serves no one but a bully looking to denigrate people. Rationalizing how people who were/are abused by others are"willing" to do something that is degrading to thier own human sense of value,as thier"choice" is one way libertarians,authoritarians and bullies can AVOID looking at the more intricate and deperessingly real factors bullies are responsible for creating in real people's lives,It's very convienent authoritarians flatly deny the sorts of hierarchy games, abuse and poverty they benifiet from in our culture can truly influence what someone is willing to do,especially when it's some libertarian defining "fre will" for someone else through thier own social darwinist eyes...Libertarians leave the wounds of bullies and exploiters out of the question of free will.

Some people are poor and broken inside enough to be prostitutes ,or get shot at with paintballs in the buff,and this has nothing to do with freedom or "free will" and everything to do with desperation and hurting.

Desperation for food,shelter,hope for thier kids futures,love,security,ect,ect.

Would you be "willing" to whore yourself or get an eye shot out unless you were desperate or warped into accepting abuse on some level?
How many self-loving middle class soccer moms are lining up for this"job",how many millionares' or politicians daughters?

Libertarians masking as progressives or liberals are experts at evading all the other deep and tragic issues in our sick hierarchical ,darwinist culture that work together to warp a person's "free will" into desperation..By avoiding the realities bullies create that hurt people.. like poverty or bullying.These things can acutally undermine someone's actual free will,because they are cocerced or hurting.

Libertarians can rationalize anything as "freedom" because they want to avoid thinking that someone's sense of self worth has been undermined by bullies who think they are free to abuse other people..Libertarian"values" are survival of the fittest and in our country the top 1% of the wealthy are the fittist so get out there sell yourself and compete! Nevermind the game is stacked against the poor go out there like don Quixote ,risk it all and spear that windmill!In America the only freedom you have is the "freedom" to starve and suffer if you won't compete and play the social darwinist game.

libertarian logic is simplistic ,selfish and uncompassionate and does nothing to hold abusers of human will accountable to humanity.

Authoritarian's freedom to degrade use and manipulate others,destroys freedom for everyone but the bully and his cruel ambitions.

While I don't entirely disagree with you, I don't see a coherent plan, I just see complaints.

Taken to extremes, any belief system is screwed up. But you complain that libertarians are cold, unfeeling monsters, so instead you want a government that controls tons of our actions.

You complain that desperation leads people to make bad choices, but fail to recognize we ALL face those same choices every day. Many people get abused at work, at home, by friends and neighbors. They face the same choices these women face and then they make them.

Clearly, it seems, you would outlaw this bambi hunting. What else would you declare illegal? Prostitution? Well, it's mostly illegal already. Stripping? Certainly, that harms women and probably men as well. Working in porn? Perhaps. Police work? After all, it's high risk and low pay. Serving in the military? Even higher risk and even lower pay.

Where do you draw the line with how YOU decide to control our lives?

This is a hoax.

Check out www.snopes.com I'll let you find the article!

Even if this turns into a real "Hunt" so what?

Do you realy think that unfit, unhealthy women will be able to do this? To run for hours from "hunters"? Why would someone pay $10,000 to chase around wasted crack whores? No, if this ever turns into a real thing these will be healthy models making ALOT of money for an afternoons work out and a bruise or two.

On the other hand I know, personaly, three women who would LOVE to do this! Not for the money but for the fun of it.

Now, if you're heading down to the strip to pull a few street walkers of the curb, offer them a dose of whatever they need and a few hundred dollars then yes, you would be abusing these women. But their not...or at least wouldn't be doing that.

$1000 to run around for a few hours and got shot in the ass with a paint ball? Hell, I ain't destitute but $1000 is a $1000 and I'd do it. I'm fat and slow so maybe the "hunters" would catch me quick. On the other hand $2500 to get away...now that's some real ca$h! You'de have to be pretty fit and witty to get away with that.

Sometimes I cannot believe the prudes and the fools who inhabit this board! Fools for believing that this is true just 'cause the papers say it's so and prudes for caring one way or another.

Zizzer

and imho their argument that it is a hoax, is not terribly convincing.

it could be a hoax, or not. either way, the idea raises interesting questions.

if this "bambi hunt" is a terrible thing, then why is it any worse than posing for playboy, working as a stripper/lapdancer or topless waitress, or any number of the other myriad forms of "light prostitution" that have proliferated in our society? is it any worse than prostitution itself, which although illegal in most places, is still rampant?

it's already a common and widespread practice for men to pay women to engage in all kinds of fantasy role-playing. is this one really worse?

A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her body. She has the right to decide whether to have a baby or not, to be a prostitute, to do drugs. She has the right to do any of those things. This is what enrages me so much about some feminists seeking to ban this paintball activity, just like some want to ban prostitution. They use the excuse that it is "for the woman". Well most women like being able to make their own decisions without interference from groups looking out for "their safety". It is morally reprehensible to seek to ban this activity on these grounds. Consensual activities are no business of the government, and you cannot use exploitation as a valid argument, because this activity is, in fact, consensual.

a "Nigger" hunt down here in Alabama. I'll hire the local blacks who are unemployed to run around naked while some good old boys fire paintballs at their heads and penises at 200mph?

Same dif.

A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her body. She has the right to decide whether to have a baby or not, to be a prostitute, and to do drugs. She has the right to do any of those things. This is what enrages me so much about some feminists seeking to ban this paintball activity, just like some want to ban prostitution. They use the excuse that it is "for the woman". Well most women like being able to make their own decisions without interference from groups looking out for "their safety". It is morally reprehensible to seek to ban this activity on these grounds. Consensual activities are no business of the government, and you cannot use exploitation as a valid argument, because this activity is, in fact, consensual.

The "Bambi Hunts" appear to be real. They are very controversial with some members of the community including Mayor Oscar Goodman, who does not shock easily. Fortunately, the women are now allowed to wear goggles.

See this link for more information:
http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1363796&nav=168XGwZv

Hey all you closet serial rapists and killers, impotent assholes and everyday jerkwads come shoot a woman and not go to jail.