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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:36 PM
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White House calls snooping lawsuits "frivolous"

http://www.kait8.com/Global/story.asp?S=4374347&nav=0jsh

White House calls snooping lawsuits "frivolous"

WHITE HOUSE The White House is dismissing as "frivolous" a pair of lawsuits challenging President Bush's domestic eavesdropping program.

Press Secretary Scott McClellan says the suits will do nothing to enhance civil liberties or protect the American people.

The A-C-L-U and the Center for Constitutional Rights say that in approving wiretaps without a warrant, the president went well beyond what the Constitution or the law allow.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:37 PM
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1. If they have nothing to hide....
What's to worry about? heh
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:38 PM
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3. Ouch!
A line right out of thier playbook. Nice one!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 01:52 PM
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49. They're hiding Samuel Alito's DOJ Office of Legal Counsel to WH
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 01:59 PM by EVDebs
during Reagan yrs, which would have provided advice on the constitutionality of such projects as Ollie North's Rex 84 'suspension of the Constitution', Operation Garden Plot and Operation Cable Splicer, all allowing for the rounding up and detention of 'dissenters' into concentration camps in America.

That's an awful lot to keep hidden and is surely NOT FRIVOLOUS !

BTW, daddy Bush Poppy 41 was the Veep in charge of these operations during the Reagan years so maybe there's also a lot of CYA going on at the same time.

This site lists the Executive Orders allowing for the suspension of the Constitution
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/fema.html

Although Wm French Smith opposed the Rex84 plan, we do not know Alito's stance....do we ?

Enjoy !
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:38 PM
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2. as Gore just said--this is 'disrespectul' of the American people.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:39 PM
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7. on cnn NOW--frivulous
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:40 PM
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10. short but too the point--thanks for the segment Wolf
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:39 PM
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4. It's only the Constiution at stake. And the privacy of millions of people
The ACLU lawyers must have been filled with frivolity as they wrote the briefs.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:39 PM
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5. Wrong. Wrong. and wrong again.
The lawsuits ARE NOT FRIVOLOUS

The lawsuits WILL ENHANCE CIVIL LIBERTIES

The lawsuits WILL PROTECT THE FREEDOMS OF ALL AMERICANS
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:41 PM
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12. And yet again...
The opposite of what they say is true. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 06:17 PM
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24. What boggles my mind
Is how they think illegal snooping ENHANCES civil liberties any. But yes, since they say the opposite of what's true, their blatherings are more or less what I expected. Worst administration ever.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 06:24 PM
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25. They can't explain
Talking points don't explain. They can only talk in sound-bite-speak. They can only stay the course, mission accomplished and terra! terra!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 07:33 PM
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32. Yes, you're right...
I just wish the hard-core Bush worshippers would see that they don't explain, they just babble. Chimp's strategy for winning the unwinnable war on Terra? Stay the course. Show resolve. That's not strategy, that's snake oil.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 07:55 PM
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33. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance
baffle them with bullshit.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:39 PM
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6. Indeed, they would like to frame the lawsuits as being "frivolous".
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:39 PM
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8. Frivolous my ASS!!
These assklowns aren't too insulting are they? Frivoluos? Using the Constitution as toilet paper is frivolous? Fucking fascists arrogant MFers!! These people are spitting in all our faces with contempt. This is what happens when a criminal gang gets control of country. No respect for the law and absolutely no respect for anyone besides their own supporters.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:40 PM
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11. I support your views Blutodog.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:43 PM
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43. good rant, I agree blutodog. Let's get 'em
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:40 PM
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9. OMG!!! frivolous OMG!!! are they for REAL!!!
They are absolutely full of shit!!!

They have been eavesdropping on Tax Paying AMERICANS!!!
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:41 PM
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13. now, now, don't be so hard on them -
it's hard work having to comply with that pesky constitution and bill of rights... :sarcasm:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:41 PM
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14. Yeah, and Watergate was a third-rate break in. n/t
n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:45 PM
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18. it is a headline from Jonesboro AK--but AP story.
Press Secretary Scott McClellan says the suits will do nothing to enhance civil liberties or protect the American people.

The A-C-L-U and the Center for Constitutional Rights say that in approving wiretaps without a warrant, the president went well beyond what the Constitution or the law allow.

Bush has called the intercepts a "vital tool" in the war on terror.

McClellan says the program's been carefully reviewed by administration lawyers -- and is limited to calls and e-mails to known al-Qaida members or associates. He says the innocent "don't have to worry."

Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:50 PM
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19. "Up is down, and hot is cold" samo-samo n/t
n/t
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:53 PM
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21. Guilty, Guilty, Guilty
If the innocent 'don't have to worry', does that mean that if the government eavesdrops on you, you are automatically considered to be guilty of something? Wouldn't surprise me any considering this AG's stunning grasp of fundamental principles of American law. How do you make that sarcasm thingie anyway?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:42 PM
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15. Frivolous = Republican Code
for "activist" lawyers
for "Democratic lawyers"
for "radical leftist judges"
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:43 PM
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16. I suppose the First and Fourth Amendments are
frivolous also...:argh:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:45 PM
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17. length of time before WH responds to criticism =
1 / seriousness of allegations

hehe.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:52 PM
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20. Oh that frivolous ol' Constitution.
Here's a warning folks. Alito would agree with the Bush administration if he makes it to the Supreme Court. The idea of citizens of this country have any rights will become a frivolous notion.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:54 PM
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22. But wait!!!...Would if the snooping is done on the WH?
How frivolous will it be then?
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 01:29 AM
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45. I bet someone has some little ol' something out of all that
Data mining, there ought to be!

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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:59 PM
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23. If they didn't lie constantly no one would have to sue.
They can't tell the truth. It is pathological.

Here's another quote from Scottie:

McClellan says the program's been carefully reviewed by administration lawyers -- and is limited to calls and e-mails to known al-Qaida members or associates. He says the innocent "don't have to worry."


A lie, according to the New York Times today. The whistleblowers are saying that the NSA got a number of Americans who were called by "al Qaeda suspects" and then they tracked all the calls of that person. The way I read it, that means wholly domestic calls. Otherwise, why would the FBI have been pissed about having to investigate "calls to Pizza Hut"?

Scottie is lying. Everyone should worry. The innocent have had their privacy violated by the NSA who shared their information with the FBI without letting the FBI know that there was no probable cause and that no one bothered to get a FISA warrant.

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grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 06:26 PM
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26. If Scott McClellan says it
It must be WRONG
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 06:31 PM
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27. Paula Jones was "frivolous"
This is deadly serious, affecting EVERY American.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 07:05 PM
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28. Hypocrisy is what they are good at
Say one thing and do the other!!!

Paula Jones and her nosejob, both frivolous..
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:40 PM
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41. don't forget lying, stealing, corruption, cronyism...
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 07:06 PM
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29. The only lawsuits they don't find frivolous ...
... are the ones in which they are plaintiffs. Bush owes his presidency to a lawsuit.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 07:23 PM
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31. Bush v. Gore - The ultimate frivoulous lawsuit
BUT... they won.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 09:17 PM
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36. Exactly my first thought
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 07:20 PM
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30. "Frivolous" as in a faked auto injury claim?
I love how they call other people's statements 'out of bounds', as if they have any fucking boundaries on what they will do or say.

Now a lawsuit to bring the president to justice for blatantly violating the law is 'frivolous'?

These guys are so out of control its hard to even imagine
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cranston36 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 07:56 PM
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34. Senator Brownback
Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas is a colorful fellow.
He is a Catholic.
Sort of.
He converted from an evangelistic church to Catholicism.
Sort of.
He’s a Republican.
Sort of.
He supports the President.
Sort of.
He’s concentrating on being Senator from Kansas.
Sort of.
Right now he’s concentrating on running for President of the United States.
It seems that because he attends Catholic Mass and still runs around to catch the enthusiastic presentations at his old evangelistic church he thinks he is the one that all Americans could agree to vote on.
The economy is Kansas in based on agriculture and as such these days that means it is based on government hand outs.
The USDA has a rural construction department that actually hands out money to build apartment buildings, new homes, waste water treatment plants (not for farms – for cities and towns), fire houses, police stations and even city halls.
Senator Brownback has been a critic of many government programs and even, it seems of the American government, but when it comes down to taking money from the rest of the nation Old Greenback Brownback is one of the first in line.
Even as American soldiers are dying in Iraq and working in the field with inferior equipment Old Greenback Brownback has been raking in the Federal grant dollars for Kansas.
Even as he talks about fiscal responsibility he seems to have been supporting Kansas in recycling Medicaid funds. Funds to help soldiers’ families get medical care.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 08:18 PM
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35. sounds like a heck of a guy
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:42 PM
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42. I'm charmed
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theshadow Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 10:00 PM
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37. From the party that called "Watergate" a 3rd rate burglary. eom
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:06 PM
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38. Minimizing
This adminstration has a nasty habit of minimizing the seriousness of their crimes, in efforts to shirk responsibilty.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:13 PM
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39. the CONSTITUTION is frivilous to them
Our RULE OF LAW is frivilous too!
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forintegrity Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:38 PM
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40. The WH is pretty frivolous if you ask me!
Must mean a whole lot since they always say the opposite of what they REALLY think.

And we all have "STUPID" on our foreheads!!!
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 11:44 PM
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44. frivolous lawsuit from ACLU? WH wishes
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 03:20 AM
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46. what the fu** kind of national security
is waiting over a month to even hold hearings?@!!?!!!?

Bush said he isn't going to stop the spying, so that means everyday he can make things a little worse for everyone, even senators and congressmen.

These people have the entire government spooked, and that is truly scary.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 03:43 AM
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47. But these stupid assholes' illegal snooping WILL do something...
Edited on Wed Jan-18-06 03:44 AM by pinniped
to enhance civil liberties?

You'll have to forgive the Minister of Propaganda, civil liberties is a new concept to him and the cabal.

They are either smoking, snorting, shooting up, licking stamps or sugar cubes, or all of the above.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-18-06 03:46 AM
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48. quip by my partner
"He doesn't pay attention to polls - but he pays attention to our phone calls, snail-mail and e-mail. Maybe the pollsters should be calling/mailing in the results from overseas - at least then we know bush* will be paying attention..."
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