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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:00 AM
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Six Groups Break With al-Qaeda's al-Zarqawi
Six armed groups fighting against Iraq's transitional government and its US-led coaliton force backers have distanced themselves from Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaeda linked group.

The groups in a statement posted on the Internet said they had severed all links with the Jordanian-born al-Zarqawi, who is suspected of masterminding some of the bloodiest attacks in Iraq.

The groups including the Islamic Army, the 1920 Revolution Brigades, the Army of the Mujahadeen and the al-Ramadi Revolutionary Brigades, announced the creation of a new umbrella group, the "Cells of the People" which they say will concentrate its operations in the al-Anbar province. The statement condemned all "operations targeting innocent civilians."

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.255961390&par=0
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:04 AM
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1. It's a Gesture--But Whether Anyone Is Subtle Enough To Read It
among the chickenhawks in DC is anyone's guess.

In fact, given the inability of the so-called elected representatives of this nation to read clear, simple, bold-faced printed messages, they are unlikely to see anything smaller than a large bus, full of fertilizer and jet fuel and ball bearings, and only if pointed in their general direction.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:11 AM
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2. they sound more secular centered --
does anybody know more about them yet?
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:17 AM
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3. Yes, these six groups are secular nationalist insurgent groups
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:30 AM
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5. thank you.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 08:51 AM
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8. Secular?
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 01:41 PM
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12. Compaired to Ansar al-Sunna and the Islamic Extremist groups they are
I say that because The Islamic Army is made up of ex-Baathists. Maybe, the best word would be that the Islamic Army of Iraq is less-religious extremist then compaired to many other insurgent groups.
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 05:26 PM
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17. Less-religious????
According to a statement from the Islamic Army in Iraq on the nature of democracy

"Ruling is for Allah alone - not for the people - and the people should merely obey Allah's commands and his Islamic law..."

and

"The religion of Allah is complete, as are his Islamic laws comprehensive and complete. Therefore, casting ballots over his already known and established laws is among the worst of the forbidden acts."

Sounds pretty Salafi to me. In fact, if you Goolge them, you generally find them described as Salafi jihadis, as in the Wikipedia article in included in my last post. Whether some ex-Baathists are also Salafi doesn't seem to be the point.

If these guys can be described as "secular", then the DU is a hotbed of pro-Bush activism!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:18 PM
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19. Very interesting....

there goes the Neocons' favorite theory that they are all united under Islam. Probably they are also realizing that Al Qaida is the BFEE's way of managing "creative destruction."
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:23 AM
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4. the occupiers won't care
and will still call anyone who attacks americans terrorists
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:59 AM
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6. Tomorrow they are expected to report that al-Zarqawi has no...
more friends to play with.

Al-Zarqawi is so dangerous all he needs is one arm, one leg, and one lung to wreak havoc in the Middle East. Hell, he may not even need those!

With the revving up of the al-Zarqawi story machine in the past few days, I'm sure his capture if right around the corner.
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ThreeCatNight Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 08:23 AM
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7. I doubt that....
he is the boogey man du jour. And they haven't ramped up the propaganda machine yet.
Osama isn't scarey enough anymore, and Bush needs someone to keep the sheeple on edge, so that he can "pertect" us.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 01:37 PM
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11. I was in a rush and made an error in posting.
Edited on Mon Jan-23-06 01:43 PM by pinniped
Al-Zarqawi will never be caught because he doesn't exist.

I even started an al-Zarqawi folder to collect news stories of his sightings, near bombing misses, near captures, reported demise, body double sightings, unconfirmed audio tapes, confirmed audio tapes, unconfirmed video tapes, confirmed video tapes, terror cell links, alleged terror cell links, missing limbs, missing organs, shot-out taxi cabs, found notebook computers, and finally, the #2, #3, and #4 guys.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 11:04 AM
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9. So will bush now claim he's responsible for dismantling al-Qaeda in Iraq?
How soon people will forget that al-Qaeda was not there to begin with, eh?
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 11:27 AM
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10. Something to do with the Sunni political parties in coalition talks?
The largest Sunni party is in talks to join the government. This might be a sign.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 02:36 PM
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14. It will lead nowhere. The Shia coalition now calls the Sunnis 'Terrorists'


You now see in Iraq a situation over ripe for civil war, and it's almost guaranteed to happen, if not already started. What you see is a government controlled by the pro Iran Shia parties and supported by the bribery of the Kurds. The Shia coalition is already dividing up the oil territory with the south going to the Shiites and the north to the Kurds, leaving nothing for the Sunnis. It seems the Sunnis are paying for the excesses of Saddam, even tho most of them had nothing to do with him.

Remember Muktada al Sadr? He recently said that Iraq will take up arms against the American occupation should Iran be attacked. And his army is part of the Shia coalition.

I certainly would like to see something positive in all this mess, but I must remember who started it in the first place: George W.Bush--also know among his contemporaries as "Mad George". George is the evil twin of King Midas. Everything George touches turns to shit.
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 02:57 PM
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15. But to form a government, don't the UIA-Kurdish coalition
need some Sunni participation? Certainly the US will be pushing for this - witness John Kerry's visit to Iraq last week.

I thought al-Sadr worked with the Sunnis before.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:58 PM
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16. Here's a good analysis.


http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20060123/civil_warelect.php

"hose results gave the Shiite religious bloc 128 seats out of 275. Their junior partners, the two Kurdish warlord parties, got 53. The religious Sunnis got 44, the secular Sunni parties got 11, and Iyad Allawi’s non-ethnic, secular alliance got 25. So the coalition of Shiite fundamentalists and Kurdish warlords controls 181 seats, at least, just a few votes shy of the two-thirds majority needed to form a government. Let’s look at the bad news, item by item.

snip

"o what’s left is an increasingly Iran-leading, Shiite fundamentalist theocracy with a rump Kurdish republic attached to it. And you can put this in your signs-of-things-to-come file: Muqtada Sadr, the cherubic (and Rubenesque) militant young cleric, said on Sunday that the Mahdi Army, which is now a big part of the Iraqi government to be, says that his forces will fight alongside Iran’s if Iran is attacked by the United States over its nuclear program."

much more there.

It's a good explanation of affairs in Iraq that's guaranteed not to be seen in the M$M.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 02:07 PM
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13. Assuming OBL's message was real, could this have been...
...the cause of his much more "Western" approach to rhetoric? Just a thought...


PB
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 05:31 PM
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18. This has to be an "umbrella group" sponsored by the US coalition.
Who is going to fall for this but the mindless? This is a US CIA ops if I ever saw one. It could work to pull in some insurgents who have real information instead of the innocents locked up in Abu Gharib.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:25 PM
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20. um, speaking of psy ops n/t
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