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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:04 AM
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CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE IRAQI OILFIELDS MAP (Thread 2)
Edited on Thu Jul-17-03 11:50 PM by DoveTurnedHawk
Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at: www.JudicialWatch.org.

<...>

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.b_PR.shtml

(Thanks to AmericanStranger for alerting us to this story!)

DTH

On Edit: As Wonk correctly reminded me, here is the link back to thread one. :-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=20394&mesg_id=20394&page=
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:49 PM
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1. Link to thread one
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:50 PM
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2. Ok I have been all over DU
This is too good to be true, timing is impecable(sp), tomorrow is friday. What is the true implication of this.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:53 PM
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3. Usually stories released on a Thursday
don't get traction... like that Niger, 16
words on the SOTU...

You don't remember that one, now do you?

This is the time to annoy the media and
to write and feed and take care of your
Congress Critters....

I wonder, Shell did not want to play...
Hmm, and yes this is just one more
of those 17 minutes of tape hiding in
plain sight...

(for those too young to remember, that is
what sunk tricky dick, 17 minutes of missing
recording from tapes in the WH)
:toast:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:07 AM
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20. 18 and a half minutes of erased tape.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 12:09 AM by aquart
And the world's lamest explanation.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:12 AM
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24. Tinfoil time: Motive for BFEE 9/11 LIHOP or MIHOP.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 12:38 AM by Wonk
Rally the people around support for war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Notice the IraqOilMap.pdf with those 9 blocks (labeled block 1 thru 9) on the border with Saudi Arabia that are still untapped? Anyone want to bet there's another as yet unreleased CaspianBasinOilMap document in Cheney's filing cabinet? http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12548

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=0
http://www.bushnews.com/bushmoney.htm
http://www.sumeria.net/politics/binladen.html
http://www.peakoil.net/



on edit: added MIHOP to the subject line and another link.
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RegenerationMan Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:35 AM
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37. Powell is the most likely VP replacement, then Bush resigns
This is why Cheney looked extra dour today and Powell was laughing at the press conference. Powell will soon be President.

Who else could they appoint--despite his involvement in all this, the media will insulate Powell and he will replace Cheney, then Bush. The Repukes in the Senate will definitely OK Powell's appointment as VP and then Bush just takes his pillow and goes back to the ranch.

IMAGINE PRESIDENT KERRY!!
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study_war_no_more Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:53 AM
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47. nope if we get one they are all guilty by association
Invoke the rico act.
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libtexan Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 10:39 AM
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I'm in a cranky ass mood
so read with this in mind. Sometimes when I read the material here in DU I feel like I'm part of the flat earth society. Bush impeached? Comparing his situation with Watergate? I just don't see this happening. Your American citizen is far less enlightened, far more apathetic, and, thanks to our mainstream media, far less informed than back during Watergate. My prediction is that the Mepuplican machine will till this back into the soil, saturate prime time TV with Michael Jackson stories and the extra-marital affairs of some liberal, and Joe SUV will gladly vote for the Dark Angel again. It's all about how this mess has been portrayed in our media vs. the U.K. media, the result being that Tony will go down in flames whereas the stench in the oval office will stink right on into 2004 and beyond. They seem to have things all sown up, even right down to the friggin piece of crap scandal rags at the checkout stand (which continue to focus on the Clintons, Martha Stewart, Michael Jackson and any other enemy of the clan, with nary a negative about the *). You've got to hand it to them: They know how to reach their constituents. I've called the senators who've taken on the task of waking America up and have thanked them, and I keep checking my sources for really big news. But all we get is conjecture, and too many levelheaded folks predicting that this will pass fairly quickly for *. I look around my neighborhood at my flag-waving, yellow ribbon festooned, big gonad truck driving neighbors and realize that smirk has a firm grip on things, and Canada becomes more of an option. Man. You don't know how wrong I hope I am.
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libtexan Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 10:39 AM
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82. I'm in a cranky ass mood
so read with this in mind. Sometimes when I read the material here in DU I feel like I'm part of the flat earth society. Bush impeached? Comparing his situation with Watergate? I just don't see this happening. Your American citizen is far less enlightened, far more apathetic, and, thanks to our mainstream media, far less informed than back during Watergate. My prediction is that the Mepuplican machine will till this back into the soil, saturate prime time TV with Michael Jackson stories and the extra-marital affairs of some liberal, and Joe SUV will gladly vote for the Dark Angel again. It's all about how this mess has been portrayed in our media vs. the U.K. media, the result being that Tony will go down in flames whereas the stench in the oval office will stink right on into 2004 and beyond. They seem to have things all sown up, even right down to the friggin piece of crap scandal rags at the checkout stand (which continue to focus on the Clintons, Martha Stewart, Michael Jackson and any other enemy of the clan, with nary a negative about the *). You've got to hand it to them: They know how to reach their constituents. I've called the senators who've taken on the task of waking America up and have thanked them, and I keep checking my sources for really big news. But all we get is conjecture, and too many levelheaded folks predicting that this will pass fairly quickly for *. I look around my neighborhood at my flag-waving, yellow ribbon festooned, big gonad truck driving neighbors and realize that smirk has a firm grip on things, and Canada becomes more of an option. Man. You don't know how wrong I hope I am.
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libtexan Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #37
83. I'm in a cranky mood
so read with this in mind. Sometimes when I read the material here in DU I feel like I'm part of the flat earth society. Bush impeached? Comparing his situation with Watergate? I just don't see this happening. Your American citizen is far less enlightened, far more apathetic, and, thanks to our mainstream media, far less informed than back during Watergate. My prediction is that the Mepuplican machine will till this back into the soil, saturate prime time TV with Michael Jackson stories and the extra-marital affairs of some liberal, and Joe SUV will gladly vote for the Dark Angel again. It's all about how this mess has been portrayed in our media vs. the U.K. media, the result being that Tony will go down in flames whereas the stench in the oval office will stink right on into 2004 and beyond. They seem to have things all sown up, even right down to the friggin piece of crap scandal rags at the checkout stand (which continue to focus on the Clintons, Martha Stewart, Michael Jackson and any other enemy/scapegoat of the clan, with nary a negative about the *). You've got to hand it to them: They know how to reach their constituents. I've called the senators who've taken on the task of waking America up and have thanked them, and I keep checking my sources for really big news. But all we get is conjecture, and too many levelheaded folks predicting that this will pass fairly quickly for *. I look around my neighborhood at my flag-waving, yellow ribbon festooned, big gonad truck driving neighbors and realize that smirk has a firm grip on things, and Canada becomes more of an option. Man. You don't know how wrong I hope I am.
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #37
96. I think your scenario is very likely
This war is killing the recovery so the powers that be could be going after the PNAC crowd.
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Rollins Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:54 PM
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4. We were boycotting Iraq oil back then right?
So what was he doing looking at Iraq oil long before the war?
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:58 PM
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10. no reason to be cynical
Huge parcels of Iraqi oil fields, being promised to western oil corps, thats one hell of a circumstancial piece of evidence.

What congress has to do is REOPEN hearings into Cheney's energy meetings. He does not have the clout now, that he had then.....he is politically very weak now, they could not exert executive privelige into Niger-gate, and now Enron-gate. This is a golden opportunity for Democrats, and a chance to take back our country from the neo-cons.
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study_war_no_more Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #10
49. LIHOP is the issue
It provides the motive.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-03 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #49
91. What do these acronyms mean?
I don't remember seeing LIHOP and MIHOP before.
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mightywurlitzer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #91
100. LIHOP and MIHOP
LIHOP = Let it happen on purpose
MIHOP = MAKE it happen on purpose
Both refer to *'s role in 9/11

Although I'm still not sure what BFEE stands for
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #10
87. Kinda like they wanted to beat out the other "suitors."
Sorta like the Mafia carving up the West Side.
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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:07 AM
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19. No, we were gulping it.
http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/dailynews/iraq010720_cooley.html
<snip>
An authoritative Iraqi source says that as much as 90 percent of the actual amount of Iraq's estimated 1.8 million barrels per day (bpd) are going to U.S. Gulf coast refineries.
"Most of Iraq's oil exports in July are destined to the U.S., with a few going to Europe," reported the authoritative oil journal Middle East Economic Survey.

There's such demand for Iraqi crude in the United States, the report says, that Saddam is banking on it to mitigate the Bush administration's enmity toward his dictatorship in Iraq, and therefore, any attempts to oust him.
<ironic end snip>

The cutback didn't come until April 2002
http://www.metimes.com/2K2/issue2002-34/bus/us_oil_imports.htm
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Rollins Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:23 AM
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31. very interesting
An earlier post mentioned mentioned something like Cheney and Bush had less political power now and are not going to be able to sweep this under the rug. Maybe the press smells blood, time to divide and conquer.

That rat Ari flycatcher sure made a smart move when he cut and ran last week!.
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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 02:54 AM
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57. That is because it is low in sulfur.
Many applications, especially on the West Coast require low sulfur in gasoline and fuel oil. It is cheaper to pump low sulfur oil out of the ground than to take the sulfur out later. Everybody in the World wants Iraq's oil!

See:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/iraqfull.html

More links on Iraqi oil:
http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/Iraq.html#Oil
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:54 PM
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5. Wow, I got a Thread 2!
This is a first for me. :)

-as
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:56 PM
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8. My Wild Prediction
This will spawn four or five threads, when the morning crowd reads about it. :-)

Great find!

DTH
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:16 AM
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28. i doubt it, if only
for the fact that this new server will not allow us to load the whole thread from post #1.
ok, we can see up to post 43 of 129, reload
then we get up to post 79 of 129, reload
and now it's 53 of 129 messages....jeez, i'm not supposed to complain about the new server (except in the correct forum)
but how is this helping the cause?
blank pages on reload, sheesh. Is it any wonder why DU'ers are not following the threads?

you have a dozen post here on thread #2, i suspect most others are over on thread #1 trying to figure out what is going on still...

okay, my mini rant is over, i'm going to eat ice cream...and punch reload.

dp




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lfairban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #28
58. It worked for me,
. . . but it is almost 4 in the morning.

I am using a cable modem, you too?
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:57 PM
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9. Good work americanstranger
this topic may hit 3 threads ;P
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:00 AM
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11. You did a great job
hope you get a thread four!!!

:D
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:01 AM
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13. I thought maybe Cheney put a lock on the first one! LOL!
I was trying to post and was getting a locked message. Whew! I was getting worried. I want to start reading the file to find out if the energy corporation that I work for is mentioned. Plus, I too, do not trust L. Klayman.

Regardless, thanks for the find, AS! Good job!
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:55 PM
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6. Important Question: Wasn't Sierra Club also a
Edited on Thu Jul-17-03 11:58 PM by Sliverofhope
party to this lawsuit? I remember both the GAO and Sierra and Judicial Watch were doing lawsuits. The GAO dropped theirs. Did the Sierra club sign off too, or might they also have a copy of these documents?

Hmm... no major announcements on Sierra Club website. But I'm sure there was another party to the lawsuit unless they dropped out.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:49 AM
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43. Sen. Henry Waxman has been dogging this for TWO frickin years
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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #6
69. Yes, you're right about the Sierra Club.
So it would be a good idea to keep an eye on their site.

I only know this because it was mentioned when Bill Moyers interviewed Klayman 2 weeks ago on NOW. www.pbs.org/now (then type Klayman in the search window for the transcript)
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:56 PM
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7. Wow...
...well, now we know why they were so desperate to keep a lid on it. Is it any mystery that now that they've got their foot in the door, they figure "history will look on them favorably" even if it was just about the oil...
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:00 AM
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12. How long will it take the media to latch onto this ?
Also, I wonder how Klayman will play this? He is a right-winger that they pissed off. This is revenge. Will he keep the info as if it is his own little treasure or will he make everything public? This appears to be so damning that it could blow the top off the WH! Bush may have been right....he said the truth would come out.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:08 AM
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How long before the people latch on that corporate media is also lying
Quite awhile back you could log on to DU and see the news two to ten days early. Now it seem it is 2 months to 2 years ahead of the news on seeing what comes next. :wtf:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:08 AM
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74. How long before the people latch on that corporate media is also lying
Quite awhile back you could log on to DU and see the news two to ten days early. Now it seem it is 2 months to 2 years ahead of the news on seeing what comes next. :wtf:
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:02 AM
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14. March 2001 What was going on.
I can tell you a few things that happened at the time of March 2001. Be sure to note, toward the end, who WASN'T meeting with Cheney and his energy task force.

This is all documented stuff. (Repeat of what I posted at the first thread on this, just as that thread was closing down.)


MARCH 2001



-March 2001 - Sherron Watkins later testified before the House of Representatives: "I had also heard from one of Mr. Baxter's close friends that he had a conversation with Mr. Skilling in March of 2001. Mr. Baxter's recollection of the meeting was that he told Mr. Skilling 'we are headed for a train wreck, and it is your job to get out in front of the train and try to stop it.'

- March 2001 - Peabody Energy chairman Irl Engelhardt and other energy executives meet with two Cheney task-force members, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham and Bush economic adviser Larry Lindsey. Cheney's group also hears from officials from the nuclear-energy industry-whose trade association, the Nuclear Energy Institute, will contribute $100,000 to the Bush event on 21 May 2001. Both coal and nuclear power will get major endorsements in the task-force report. Peabody Energy is a coal behemoth whose holding company and top officer have given nearly $200,000 to the President and his party since Bush took office, including $25,000 for the May gala.

- March - "I would love to meet with Ken," writes Florida Governor Jeb Bush in an email reply to Bill Bryant, a lobbyist for a Tallahassee law firm representing Ken Lay. Lay had asked to set up a meeting with the governor, and Bryant e-mailed Bush to say that Lay "has asked if it would be possible to visit you in Tallahassee in the near future. The topic would be the energy deregulation bill pending in Congress and Enron's plan for a national media campaign promoting the benefits of a competitive electric energy market. When the bill now pending in Congress becomes law, a competitive wholesale market will soon follow. Mr. Lay would like to discuss this with you and explain how it would affect Florida." Instead of an actual meeting, a 30-minute phone call between Lay and Bush will be set up April 17. Governnor Bush will deny any memory of the phone call on 7 Feb 2002.

- March 1 - Haley Barbour, former RND chairman, writes a memo to Cheney, on behalf of the coal industry, suggesting the president must provide a sound energy policy by not taking action against carbon dioxide. "A moment of truth is arriving. The question is whether environmental policy still prevails over energy policy with Bush-Cheney, as it did with Clinton-Gore," Barbour wrote. Among Barbour's 50 lobbying clients are the Electric Reliability Coordinating Council, an industry coalition. The lobbying group - which paid Barbour's firm a half-million dollars last year - was set up by power-generation companies including FirstEnergy, Duke Energy and the Tennessee Valley Authority. FirstEnergy was a top contributor to the Bush campaign.

- March 4 - Tests in recent days confirm the world's largest oil find in three decades in the Kashagan field in the Caspian Sea. Kashagan is a single reservoir at least 25 miles across, and two-and-a-half times the size of the nearby Tengiz field.

- March 7 - Enron officials meet a second time with Cheney to discuss energy policy.

- March 13 - Bush, in a policy reversal, declares that his administration will not seek to regulate power plants' emissions of carbon dioxide, citing an Energy Department study that regulating these emissions could result in higher electricity prices.

- March 15 - United States Secretary of Energy Abraham testifies before Congress that power blackouts in California this summer are "inevitable." However, he does not argue for any federal government action to avert this outcome.

- March 19 - The second set of rolling blackouts hits California, affecting southern California for first time.

- March 20 - An official from the American Petroleum Institute sends an e-mail to Joseph Kelliher, a Department of Energy policy adviser, proposing language for a presidential directive governing energy regulations. API calls it "a suggested executive order to ensure that energy implications are considered and acted on in rulemakings and other executive actions." Bush will issue Executive Order 13211 on 18 May 2001, using nearly identical language to that supplied by API.

- March 22 -A low-level Energy Department staffer calls Grenpeace and and gives the environmental organization 24 hours to provide any input it has on energy policy. Greenpeace decides not to scramble to meet the tight deadline. "If they were serious about getting input," says Greenpeace spokesman Gary Skulnik, "that was certainly not the way to go about it."

- March 26 - Sen. Dianne Feinstein sends the second of three letters to Bush requesting a meeting to discuss California's dire energy situation. These requests are denied.

- March 29 - Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham meets with Enron executives Joe Hartsoe and Linda Robertson.



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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. One caveat
Strategically, if Bush & Cheney feel they are going to be kicked out of office, the best possible thing for them is for Cheney to go first.

That way, Bush gets to appoint a new VP. (25th Amendment) When Bush goes, then, HIS CHOICE becomes President. Ugh.

We need to see that they are both impeached at once.
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. These documents have potential to be so damning
that, geez... people may start dropping dead. :tinfoilhat:

I mean, seriously. This is too easy. Why didn't Cheney use executive privelege or something? Hmm. I was overjoyed at first, but the amount of conspiracy theories this could prove or disprove is such a huge number, that, wow... woah, dude.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. Great Reminder List Zan, Thanks For Reposting It !!! --- Also...
Remember that these fuckers have had quite some time to figure out how they would play the spin if these papers were to ever come out. Pay very close attention...

Like you guys needed that kind of advice, LOL!!!

:eyes:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #14
32. OMG Zan!
That's an amazing list of events! So meanwhile, offstage, Cheney and the oilmen are poring over maps of Iraqi oil fields? And while they're doing that, Wolfowitz says, "hey, you know what would be really funny? Let's SCREW Greenpeace! We'll give them 24 hours to put their presentation together. It'll be hysterical!"
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #32
89. Bush/Enron Chronology
Just to refresh everyone's memory:

http://www.smartgroups.com/vault/unravel/Public/Chronology/Bush_Enron_Chronology_rev_0.18_10_Aug_2002.html

Unfortunately, I haven't maintained this document, because of Bush's thrice-damned war on Iraq. The distraction worked admirably well in my case. Evil bastard.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #89
93. That Bush/Enron chronology is a truly awesome piece of work
Barrett808 did a monumental chronicling of events in the Enron debacle, and related events. Most of the posts I put above were from there. Anyone who is researching energy, Enron, the California debacle, or anything related would do well to check it out!
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #14
53. Wasn't it also in March 2001
...that Shrub is quoted as having said, "Fuck Saddam! We're taking him out!"

(Sorry no link, but I suspect some perspicacious DUer has it on file.)
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #53
94. It was a Newsweek story and the
Bush quote was from March, 2002, although the story was published just a few months ago. I thought I had the article saved -- but I cant find it. Issikoff was one of the authors I believe.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:04 AM
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15. On whatreallyhappened.com
as breaking story
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:17 AM
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30. Buzzflash now has this up too n/t
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 02:05 AM
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55. as does GlobalFreePress.com
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:04 AM
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16. Read the footnotes for the UAE and SA Project documents!
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 12:07 AM by htuttle
They read like a Power Point slide from an oil company meeting.

Here's a choice quote from the footnotes in the UAEOilProj.pdf document:

"3) Investment opportunities are in downstream projects especially power, desalination and pipeline projects."


...and this was pointed out during the National Energy Strategy sessions, WHY?

The way all the are bidders listed, it looks like the US government was doing the research legwork for a bunch of oil companies. Even these few documents seem less about capacity and solving energy problems, and more about contracts and profits for some select private companies.

Fancy that.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:08 AM
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21. This is why Cheney held onto them for so long!
Cheney is so TOAST!! :bounce:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:29 AM
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33. Excuse me????? They were taking BIDS?!
On power projects in Iraq? They were really taking bids? Is that in there?
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:09 AM
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22. TREASON and A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
Oil plot maps and Iraqi oil concessions, dating back to 1997? Iraqi oil fields earmarked for production sharing? Ear-mark indicates that this is definitely a plan for controlling the oil economy of Iraq.

I demand my representatives enter dual articles of impeachment, Bush first and then Cheney! Crime? Treason and Fraud, conduct And international agencies start proceedings for the criminal war crime trials of the century. The hell that this war wasn't about oil! Our soliders are being killed for an old-fashion oil resource grab (kinda like that 1955 Suez War that found the US on the 'wrong' side) and all benefiting Cheney buddies and other oil industrial cartel members, the oil-garchy.

All oligarchies, wherein a few men domineer, do what they list. --Burton.

Write to your representatives ...

Also kudos to Judicial Watch on this coup ... wonder if they now have the balls to 'Bring it on!'?

Also, what about California? Was California set-up, diced and hacked up by the Cheney Cartel?
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:14 AM
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26. I've emailed a bunch of places
do we have any more dedicated patriots mass emailing the whores and heads? I realize I'm a scumbag for not doing it all myself, but I will over the coming hours. I get the feeling this is not the kind of thing the media is going to like to cover, especially the powers that own the media.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:13 AM
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25. Cheney Loses Ruling on Energy Panel Records
Read this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29486-2003Jul8.html

<snip>
'The administration has acknowledged that the task force consulted private figures, including Kenneth L. Lay, former chairman of Enron Corp., the energy trading firm that collapsed in an accounting scandal. Critics say these industry representatives were essentially members of the advisory group, and that its workings were therefore subject to public scrutiny.

In its suit, Judicial Watch accused the task force of breaking federal law and demanded the release of its records. A similar suit filed subsequently in California by the Sierra Club was joined with Judicial Watch's suit, and the consolidated action came before U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan in Washington.

After Sullivan denied Cheney's motion to dismiss the case and ordered the task force to turn over documents for the preliminary review process known as discovery, Justice Department lawyers acted to halt the effort.

Cheney sought to have the D.C. Court of Appeals halt discovery and dismiss him as a party, even as the suit remained before the lower court. But Tatel and Edwards decided that the "petitioners have not satisfied the heavy burden necessary" for that to occur, Tatel wrote in his opinion.

Cheney, he said, is free to invoke executive privilege if he believes information is protected, but to simply grant him blanket protection would undermine the process.' more at link

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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:16 AM
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29. Okay, so if Klayman has them, the Sierra Club does too
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 12:19 AM by Sliverofhope
so for those who distrust Klayman, this means there exists another copy, in theory. Hmmm... so much information to digest in such a short amount of time.

From what I think I understand about FOIA requests, papers are not delivered in a neat little package with a bow on it instantaneously. The papers are parceled out pretty much as they are dug out over a relatively long period of time, like a month. Does anyone else have this impression? The papers could continue coming out for a long time, unless there's some kind of move by Cheney or Justice.
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:15 AM
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27. Again: what?
I'm either dense or everyone is being presumptious. How do maps show anything? It's very bizarre that judicialwatch says only that documents contain maps of Iraqi oilfields.. What is the point of being so obscure? Without information about what the maps are for, I don't see how this means anything.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:31 AM
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34. I'm with you on this.
lot's of sizzle and smells good, but no steak...yet.

Frankly, I distrust this whole thing with Klayman. Let's hope that the Sierra Club gets the complete access and see if they publish everything. Klayman was a big part of the Clinton Inquisition and I'm not sure that he isn't playing along to a carefully orchestrated script.

Let's see agendas, meeting minutes, attendee's with the "Office of the VP" letterhead....otherwise, I'm not sure if this is much more than some crappy oil maps and a roster of business dealing in Iraq.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:45 AM
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41. I agree, I don't know whey he's fixated on maps and not
who the players were who attended the meeting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29486-2003Jul8.html

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:33 AM
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35. why don't you go examine the documents
It is not just maps:

www.judicialwatch.org
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:39 AM
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38. read then saw them
I can't help it, smells like bait.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:49 AM
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44. Red Herring anyone?
A distraction? a set-up?

The timing is peculiar.

Cheney could have done more to block this. Why didn't he?

I have seen some indirectly damaging stuff , but nothing specifically damning.

I wonder if he has a valid explanation lined up.

No matter. It's certainly worth looking in to.


It's a shame we can't see the rest of the report.





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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:44 AM
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39. There's no there, there...
It's old information... reported contract negotiations between the Iraqi governement and international oil corps, allowed under the UN oil for food program. Reported previously, for example by the US EIA in 1997:
http://www.iet.com/Projects/HPKB/Web-mirror/EIA_CABS/iraq.pdf

We all agree that Cheney is a criminal traitor. But these documents don't in themselves prove it.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 01:28 PM
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85. Might the "there" there include the following?
John Dean wrote about Cheat'n Cheney, his Energy Task Force, and the GAO law suit awhile back. Specifically, John Dean pointed out what LAW ole' Dick might have broken, the FACA law.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020201.html
From Mr. Dean's article:
QUOTE
Clearly, the Energy Group was constituted to avoid the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA). That 1972 law applies if any group of two or more persons utilized by a president for advice includes a non-government employee or official. If this occurs, FACA requires that
the group must make all of its proceedings open to the public, keep records of the proceedings, and accommodate a broad spectrum of views.

Cheney's Energy Group sought to avoid the FACA requirements by including only government employees, and no outside persons, and it appears they did so successfully. But we don't really know, because the Vice President refuses to provide the information necessary to make a determination. For all we know, non-government persons, perhaps from industry, may effectively have become part of the Energy Group in that they became involved in the advice given to the President.

By April 19, 2001, the buzz in Washington had it that Cheney's Energy Group was meeting with Bush's big contributors in the energy business, and that the heavy hitters from the oil patches and gas fields were looking for a return on their investment in Bush's campaign. The bottom line: energy was going to win; environmentalism would lose.
END QUOTE

So, this release of stuff might not help Judicial Watch or the Sierra Club, but it might make the LEGAL CASE for the lawyers that Dick "Big Time" Cheney broke a law?

I dunno. I didn't read the documents at Judicial Watch, and I'm not a lawyer.

I just remembered reading this piece a while back thinking: in order to trap the Dick-ster, they gotta have a legal hook to hang him on...
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:44 AM
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40. And charts?
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 12:47 AM by Ignoramus
Sheesh, I can not type sometimes... edit edit edit

Do you mean the charts, or is there something more than that? I did look at the maps and charts. I'm still not getting it. If I have a picture of diamonds, does that mean I'm a diamond thief?

For example, the foreign suitors business. Does that mean that the foreign suitors would be getting contracts from the US? Why wouldn't it mean that Iraq was being persued for those contracts and these were documents regarding that?

It would just really suck if people massively blast the media about this and it turns out to make everyone look like they are jumping to conclusions.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:47 AM
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42. Even If the Response Is Just To Ask for More Information
This will keep the story fresh for many more days, I believe and hope. It certainly raises a TON of questions, in my mind.

DTH
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:51 AM
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46. that is what i was
refering to when i mentioned bait
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:34 AM
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36. usually Ignoramus
when i am really perplexed, and i just cant get a grasp on something, i venture over to Free Republic. There are alot of really bright folks over there, who have a keen grasp on today's difficult problems.

:evilgrin:
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:53 AM
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48. Hehe
Okay, I just looked there. My favorite subject so far is "Gay cannibalism net widens". Hehe! I don't see anything about the judicialwatch stuff so far.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:50 AM
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45. Check out the first map Judicial Watch offers
The graph at the bottom says "earmarked for production sharing." Now ask yourself, why, 6 months BEFORE 911, was Cheney and other energy leaders "earmarking" sections of Iraq for production sharing?
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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 01:17 AM
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50. Doh! The _Iraqis_ earmarked the areas for production sharing... nt
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 02:00 AM by gbwarming
*

Edit: ok, not nt. Look, Iraq was courting foreign investment for oil production development - It's expensive. They held a conference and announced which areas they planned to make available (earmarked) for production sharing agreements. It was the IRAQI government that earmarked these areas, not Criminal Dick.
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http://www.iet.com/Projects/HPKB/Web-mirror/EIA_CABS/iraq.html
(This is from an archived US Energy Information Agency country brief from June '97.)
In March 1995, Iraq held an international oil conference which first outlined the country's planned post-sanction development plans. Since that time, foreign oil companies have shown a rising interest in post-sanction oil projects. As of June 1997, there reportedly were almost 60 foreign oil companies from a wide variety of countries that were in discussions with the Iraqi government (see table).


Iraq plans to offer new fields to foreign oil companies through production sharing contracts (PSC), joint ventures, and service contracts. Initially, Iraq plans to offer up to 25 new fields to foreign companies. Ten of these fields, with a production potential of 2.7 million b/d, are slated for development under PSCs with foreign companies. Four of these fields are located in southern Iraq and, with a combined production potential of 2.1 million b/d, represent the cornerstone of Iraq's post-sanction development plans. These four "giant" southern fields are Majnoon, West Qurna, Nahr Umar, and Halfaya.


As of June 1997, Iraq had signed two production sharing contracts (PSCs) for two post-sanction field developments. After an initial agreement made in August 1996, Iraq signed a PSC with China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and Chinese state-owned Norinco for development of the al-Ahdab field. Al-Ahdab is located about 40 miles south of al-Kut in central Iraq. The field contains an estimated 1.4 billion barrels of oil and has a production potential of roughly 90,000 b/d. CNPC and Norinco reportedly have formed a new company, named al-Waha, to undertake the field development. Development and operating costs are expected to be around $1.3 billion.


In March 1997, Iraq signed another PSC with a consortium of Russian firms for the second-phase development of the 15 billion barrel West Qurna field, which is located west of Basra near the Rumaila field. The Russian consortium comprises Lukoil (52.5%), Zarubazhneft (11.25%), Machinoimport (11.25%), and an Iraqi company that will be selected by the government (25%). The West Qurna PSC will include development of the Yamamah and deeper Mishrif reservoirs, which combined, contain close to 8 billion barrels of light (37o API) and heavy (27o API ) crude oil. The field has a production potential of 500,000-750,000 b/d, two-thirds of which will be heavier Mishrif crude. The West Qurna PSC will pick up where a Soviet firm, Technoexport, left off with its first phase development. In 1987, Technoexport signed a $600-million service contract for a 200,000-b/d first phase development of West Qurna, which Italy's TPL later farmed into as a subcontractor. Initial production was due to come onstream in 1992, but Technoexport halted work in December 1990 until the Gulf crisis was resolved. Lukoil reportedly had been in discussions concerning the West Qurna project since early 1994. At present, most of the required production wells have been drilled, although a crude pipeline spur and associated gas processing stations are only partially completed. Completion of first phase development could take up to a year, but it is unclear exactly how much surface work remains and whether this is included in the recent PSC, which is valued at $3.7 billion.


Under current U.N. sanctions, foreign oil companies with PSCs can, in theory, perform some types of work in Iraq. Under the al-Ahdab contract, the Middle East Economic Survey reported in June 1997 that al-Waha is planning to re-interpret seismic surveys, authorize local Iraqi companies to perform site preparation activities, and construct required equipment outside of Iraq. Under the West Qurna PSC, it has been reported that Iraq will perform site preparation activities with local contractors, while equipment manufacturing will occur in Russia. Under both the al-Ahdab and West Qurna PSCs, foreign firms will pay all field appraisal and development costs. Costs will be recovered through a share of subsequent oil production from the fields.
(there's more)
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:11 AM
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59. Okay, GBWARNING.......devil's advocate here......
I didn't read your WHOLE post.....I am too tired, but in regard to the part about Iraq divying up its oil for foreign investments after sanctions were lifted......

That was 1997, right?

Hmmmmmm, well, why was the PNAC pushing Clinton to take out Saddam in 1998?

Because the PNAC/BFEE didn't want to do regular biz deals with Iraq.....they want to OWN it all...occupy it.
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 01:28 AM
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51. For whom, by whom?
I see a reference to the earmarking of areas for production sharing, by someone for someone. Does that mean, it was going to be earmarked by the US. Maybe it means they worried that space aliens were going to come down and earmark the areas for export to other galaxies.

I don't see a complete picture. Why in the world would judicialwatch be so vague?
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:32 AM
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61. Part of a strategy to set Cheyney up as fall guy.
The timing of this, the fact that it comes from a right wing kook, and the fact that it meshes with calls for Cheyney's head from other right wing sources during the week suggests this is part of an orchestrated effort. Cheyney will take the fall for Iraq. They see that as cleansing Shrubbie and creating an opening either for Powell (a very powerful, daring move that could change the political landscape for decades), or Ridge.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:57 AM
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64. You bet it's a plan to let Cheney take the fall.
he probably volunteered for it.......he'd much rather be doing other things.

But guess what? their plan will fail miserably! No one will take it as a cleansing........ And this is where their hubris and arrogance pay off - for US! Bush.....elected on the mission that he would restore integrity back into the white house -- has a VP who is going down in heinous scandal. The whole enchilada is up in smoke!
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 01:42 AM
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52. I just spread the word in a BUNCH of yahoo chat rooms!
EVEN the pro-bush rooms! Figured...I can freep them for once!

And I HAD to tell the End of the world prophecy room that their date for ARMAGEDDON will most likely get pushed back.....kind of a change of circumstances. LOL Terrible.....I am.

But the more truth that comes out, the more my rage emerges! Rummy had said about the Iraqi looting and stuff that this sort of thing happens when a repressed people are liberated. What sort of RIOTING will happen in the USA when our repression is lifted? I can tell that I might be a handful!

Ashcroft is coming to my town tomorrow......and I am going to protest LOUDLY!

Thanks Klayman.......gosh, we have angels in the oddest of places!!!!!

Oh, here's my stock message that I am posting around, if anyone wants to use it:

ANNOUNCEMENT: Cheney energy documents have been given to Judicial Watch per the court order. See press release and SOME VERY Interesting maps of oil fields, facilities and investment plans for Iraq, UAE, and Saudi Arabia. FROM MARCH 2001. THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR BUSHCO. http://www.judicialwatch.org ****** LOOK AT THESE MAPS***
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 01:57 AM
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54. Sorry to be so negative
The more I look at the maps and charts, the more sceptical I get.

Look at IraqOilGas.pdf and IraqFrgnSuitors.pdf, it says things like China - Production Sharing Contract signed 1997, or Japan - Bid and technical/economic oilfield study submitted to Baghdad March 1997. PSC. Clearly this is a list of past suitors seeking contracts with Iraq.

So, maybe MAYBE... these are people Cheney wanted to arrange to do planning with regarding conquest. But, nothing I see says that in any clear way.

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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 02:19 AM
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56. Took a Quick Spin Over To Our Rivals' Website
The Thug spin is clearly going to be, "Gee, Cheney had maps of the world's second biggest oil producer. On an ENERGY task force! Oh, the horror, oh, the scandal!"

DTH
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:17 AM
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60. We need to make sure EVERY foreign oil company board
gets these documents.

Because my suspicion is that this information was obtained via stealth maneuvers. Like corporate espionage.............

And the US energy companies were looking to see who wanted to have a hand in the pot......and then they could work to thwart their participation.

That was one of my first thoughts when reading the foreign investment plans.......
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:51 AM
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63. One question for the Thugs
If the maps and other documents are no big deal, then why didn't Cheney immediately release the papers?
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:47 AM
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62. it's NOT follow the MONEY
it's FOLLOW THE OIL SLICK
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MRDU Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 04:15 AM
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65. Governmental process was corrupted by private interests
Cheney Task Force Loses Place To Hide
Dan Ackman, 07.09.03, 9:47 AM ET

The administration formed the National Energy Policy Development Group, as the task force is known, shortly after taking power and assigned it the job of developing energy policy. Cabinet secretaries, agency heads and senior presidential aides were members. A lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch, later joined by the Sierra Club, alleged that private executives and lobbyists were also invited to consult. The list of nongovernmental advisors allegedly included Thomas Kuhn, president of the Edison Electric Institute; Marc Racicot, chairman of the Republican National Committee and a lobbyist; Haley Barbour, a former Bush campaign advisor and a lobbyist for Southern Company (nyse: SO - news - people ); and, most ominously, Kenneth Lay, former chairman of Enron (otc: ENRNQ - news - people ).

www.forbes.com/home_europe/2003/07/09/cx_da_0709topnews.html

Power of privilege
Cheney misusing executive privilege on energy policy

By Jenelle Wilson
July 14, 2003

On the surface, the battle of NEPDG is about who was on the task force. The government claims it was made up of only government officials, such as cabinet secretaries and agency and senior presidential aides. Judicial Watch and the Sierra Club maintain that industry leaders such as Kenneth Lay, the former chairman of Enron, and Thomas Kuhn, the president of the Edison Electric Institute that represents investor-owned electric utilities, essentially became de-facto members of the group. If these non-government industry leaders were members, the Federal Advisory Committee Act requires that the group's activity be open to the public, which it was not.

www.thebatt.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/07/14/3f123c480c552

Hide-and-seek won't work for Cheney's energy panel
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/11/03

So what on earth does Cheney have to hide? It's hard to tell, but a partial guest list of those who reportedly and repeatedly met with top DOE and EPA officials during that period may offer some clues.

Among the private sector high-rollers who were reportedly involved in the task force was none other than Ken Lay, the former CEO of Enron, whose name has become synonymous with one of the biggest frauds in corporate history. Also on the guest list was Haley Barbour, the former Republican National Committee chairman who was acting as a lobbyist for Atlanta-based Southern Co.

Just as interesting as who was on the task force's guest list is who wasn't. Prominent environmental groups complain they were stiff-armed for the most part and were only given a cursory hearing by low-level staffers in the final two days before the task force completed its work.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0703/11energy.html

Cheney told to hand over Enron papers
By Simon English in New York (Filed: 10/07/2003)

The court drew on rulings against a health task force headed by Hillary Clinton in 1993, saying Mr Cheney's legal team had failed to show that irreparable harm would be done if the case went ahead. With some reluctance, Mr Cheney's office admitted last year that the vice-president had met Mr Lay six times before the task force devised an energy policy that was immediately implemented by Mr Bush.

The energy policy advocated opening more public land to oil and gas drilling and cutting back regulations on the sale of electricity, a decision some argue led to a power crisis in California. Last month, Enron was banned from selling power at market rates anywhere in the US in punishment for rigging the energy market and causing price increases. Regulators dubbed this a "death penalty" for a business that still hopes to emerge from bankruptcy

www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2003/07/10/cncheney10.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2003/07/10/ixcity.html
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 04:22 AM
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66. One of the MAPs
I pulled one of the Iraq Maps from JW pdfs and here it is downsized.




Get the full size version in PDF format here


http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml

But with the area's marked out in "Blocks" it sure does look like somebody was ready to sell them to the Oil Companies.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:43 AM
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67. here it is
early on Friday morning and not a word. I was up at 7am eastern turned on C-Span and didn't hear one word about this story.
Or did I miss it? They talked about the Tony Blair speech to congress took a half hour of calls and then Lamb took it to the Truman library? Tsk Tsk!
Do you think they are avoiding the story? I do.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:54 AM
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68. I don't see what "The Story" is yet
I'm with Ignoramus on this. They're talking about the global energy situation; they have maps of one of the major oil producing regions. And....? I don't see anything they can't walk away from smiling here. I'm much more interested in what kinds of deals Enron wanted, whether there was any discussion of the California situation and what that talk consisted of.

I mean, if we have transcripts or notes saying, "Don't worry, soon we'll have all of Iraq's oil for our very own," or implying something along those lines, that would be great. But just a map...?
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:33 AM
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70. Look at the above map
they are laying out "bid" boxes for oil companies to bid on. Those boxes would say only one thing, US controls the IRAQ.

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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:52 AM
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71. This is PROOF Iraq war part of Energy Policy
Proof...So there you go. The Iraq war was about oil and part of Dick's "energy" policy.

Thank's....."DICK".


This weekend's necon propaganda fest will be interesting...

Bush retreats to home to avoid uncomfortabel questions. Wolfowitz is hiding in Iraq. Blair bolts to Japan...Cheney is in a undisclosed location....

Fuckers.
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 08:04 AM
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72. This is a no brainer...
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 08:22 AM by Patriot_Spear
Let's look at it from another angle:

Let's say there's a high profile murder and the police find in your house maps of the victims home in your possession- Documents you worked hard to hide.

Moreover, there was a court order blocking you from having any business contact with the victim (UN Sanctions).

They'd haul your ass in faster than you could say 'Tim McViegh'.

Bottom line: The documents a provocative given the current situation and Cheney's fanatcism at keeping it from coming to light.

Edit:Typo
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 08:16 AM
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73. I'm so torn about Judicial Watch
I mean, everytime I go to their website I see this:



and I cringe!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:29 AM
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awww, in't he cute?
Hey, if he attacks both sides, I say bully for him.

If he can bring down Bush & Cheney then he's a true American patriot and I'll gladly pardon his dealings with the Clinton Administration.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:29 AM
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76. awww, in't he cute?
Hey, if he attacks both sides, I say bully for him.

If he can bring down Bush & Cheney then he's a true American patriot and I'll gladly pardon his dealings with the Clinton Administration.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-03 12:07 PM
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92. God - he looks like Harry Reid!
nt
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:19 AM
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kick
n/t
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:19 AM
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75. kick
n/t
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:54 AM
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78. It appears of if they were dividing up the booty BEFORE the war...
- This wasn't a national energy policy task force...it was a committee to hand out the spoils of war to Friends of Bush*.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:54 AM
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79. It appears of if they were dividing up the booty BEFORE the war...
- This wasn't a national energy policy task force...it was a committee to hand out the spoils of war to Friends of Bush*.
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sham Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 10:14 AM
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80. not only before the war...
TWO YEARS before the war, and (if I may put my tinfoil on) FIVE MONTHS before 9/11.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:45 PM
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97. looks like they took the input from the CFR energy report early 2001
long report...about 144 pages...in it's recommendations it openly talks about the quandry with IRAQ....

If I may summarize...too much oil wealth for such a country...oil revenues in Iraq's hands could go to other use



Strategic Energy Policy Challenges for the 21ST Century
Report of an Independent Task Force

Cosponsored by the
James A. Baker III Institute
for Public Policy of Rice University
and the Council on Foreign Relations

http://www.cfr.org/pdf/Energy_TaskForce.pdf (pages 46-47)

The United States should conduct an immediate policy
review toward Iraq, including military, energy, economic, and
political/diplomatic assessments.The United States should
then develop an integrated strategy with key allies in Europe
and Asia and with key countries in the Middle East to
restate the goals with respect to Iraqi policy and to restore
a cohesive coalition of key allies.Goals should be designed
in a realistic fashion, and they should be clearly and consistently
stated and defended to revive U.S. credibility on this issue.
Actions and policies to promote these goals should endeavor
to enhance the well-being of the Iraqi people.S anctions
that are not effective should be phased out and replaced with
highly focused and enforced sanctions that target the regime’s
ability to maintain and acquire weapons of mass destruction.
A new plan of action should be developed to use diplomatic
and other means to support U.N. Security Council efforts
to build a strong arms-control regime to stem the flow of
and controlled substances into Iraq.P olicy should
rebuild coalition cooperation on this issue, while emphasizing
the common interest in security.This issue of arms sales to
Iraq should be brought near the top of the agenda for dialogue
with China and Russia.

Once an arms-control program is in place, the United States
could consider reducing restrictions on oil investments
inside Iraq.Like it or not, Iraqi reserves represent a major
asset that can quickly add capacity to world oil markets and
inject a more competitive tenor to oil trade.Ho wever, such
a policy will be quite costly as this trade-off will encourage
Saddam Hussein to boast of his “victory” against the United
States, fuel his ambitions, and potentially strengthen his
regime.Once so encouraged and if his access to oil revenues
were to be increased by adjustments in oil sanctions, Saddam
Hussein could be a greater security threat to U.S. allies
in the region if weapons of mass destruction (WMD) sanctions,
weapons regimes, and the coalition against him are not
strengthened.S till, the maintenance of continued oil sanctions
is becoming increasingly difficult to implement.Mor eover,
Saddam Hussein has many means of gaining revenues,
and the sanctions regime helps perpetuate his lock on the
country’s economy.

Another problem with easing restrictions on the Iraqi oil
industry to allow greater investment is that GCC allies of
the United States will not like to see Iraq gain larger market
share in international oil markets.In fact, even Russia
could lose from having sanctions eased on Iraq, because Russian
companies now benefit from exclusive contracts and Iraqi
export capacity is restrained, supporting the price of oil
and raising the value of Russian oil exports.If sanctions covering
Iraq’s oil sector were eased and Iraq benefited from infrastructure
improvements, Russia might lose its competitive
position inside Iraq, and also oil prices might fall over time,
hurting the Russian economy.These issues will have to be
discussed in bilateral exchanges.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:49 AM
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Perhaps we may have two
Generals running against each other in the 04 election?

Clark vs. Powell
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:49 AM
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77. Perhaps we may have two
Generals running against each other in the 04 election?

Clark vs. Powell
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 10:30 AM
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81. Cheney is Bush's last wall
The CIA wants his head. The energy task force reports and other obvious things can bring him down. If impeachment is the solution the Veep and others go first(Agnew). Then Bush is alone. In this case he is hand and fist with Cheney's actions and policies, not separate as with Agnew.

I hope he lives long enough to see the whole house of marked cards collapse onto his flat earth theories.

Keep the pressure on, keep the truth mills grinding.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 11:06 AM
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84. Production Sharing deals coming in a matter of months
Production Sharing deals coming in a matter of months. The big oil companies get their rewards for their contributions.

Read this Reuters article from April 5, 2003:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030405/80/dx3dz.html

Post-war role agreed for oil majors

LONDON (Reuters) - Iraqi exiles and senior U.S. officials have agreed that international oil companies should take a leading post-war role in reviving Iraq's oil industry, delegates to a policy meeting say.
(cut)

Foreign investment deals, most likely production-sharing contracts, with a fully-fledged Iraqi government could come in between six months and two years time, he said.

(cut)


Production-sharing is the type of deal favoured by the oil industry because it guarantees companies a healthy profit margin, even at low world oil prices. Alternative royalty schemes are weighted towards government revenues and can penalise investors at low prices.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 02:58 PM
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86. The Most Corrupt & Evil Administration in the Nation's History.
Anyone wondering why Cheney was badgering the CIA to "sex up" the "intelligence" against Iraq, now has their answer in writing.

Impeach Bush and Cheney Now!
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:20 PM
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88. flashbacks
to many posts about that energy document. well, weekend reading:
entire document is at http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

index and by section is at http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/index.html

last 'tinfoil' thread last year was about how they only mention iraq about 3 times in the entire 170-page document. i thought it was odd NOT to mention it more. and afghanistan is mentioned even less. but those two are key in the region. and we just HAPPENED to take over both. whistling in the dark.

by the way, this document used to be posted prominently on the VP's web page. it is buried (sort of) in the P's newly designed page.
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umcwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-03 01:10 AM
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90. Kick, n/t
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 06:03 PM
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95. Hope everybody is wearing seatbelts
My guess this is probably Disinformation to blow smoke and round up the cattle who have strayed off the ranch. I am keeping my eyes on them maps and the implications
When one of the cabal gets fired or arrested, I might notice, other wise this is more bullshit

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030719-120154-5384r.htm
FBI probing forged papers on Niger uranium


By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
(snip)
Spokesmen at the time initially said the White House was provided with bad intelligence from the CIA, only to reverse course a day later and claim the intelligence may still be valid although it should not have been included in a presidential speech.
"The president wanted the matter settled," one official said of Mr. Bush's harsh words for his advisers.
Although it received intelligence from the documents earlier, the CIA did not obtain copies of the forged documents until February 2003 — months after the Italians first obtained them and after the president's State of the Union address.
A U.S. official said the Italians initially only described the documents to the CIA. Then the State Department obtained a set from a journalist and that led to an investigative trip to Niger by former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson.
(snip)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:05 PM
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98. Link to original stories at Judicial Watch for future ref
Edited on Wed Jul-23-03 06:27 PM by Tinoire
(since it's sinking to the bottom of Judicial Watch's page)

- Cheney had Iraq in sights two years ago - Money Telegraph (Jul 22, 2003)

- Iraq map in energy task-force papers

- U.S. got report on Iraqi oil in '01 - The Charlotte Observer (Jul 19, 2003)

- Iraq map in energy task-force papers - CBS.MarketWatch (Jul 19, 2003)

- Documents to Cheney's 2001 energy task force include details on Iraqi oil industry - Associated Press (Jul 19, 2003)

- U.S. tallied up assets well before war - Houston Chronicle (Jul 19, 2003)

- Tune in to “The Judicial Watch Report” Radio Show On the Radio America Network Saturday, July 19, 2003 12-2pm ET - (Jul 18, 2003)

- White House energy task force papers reveal Iraqi oil maps - WorldNetDaily (Jul 18, 2003)

- CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE MAP OF IRAQI OILFIELDS - (Jul 17, 2003)

- MAPS AND CHARTS OF OILFIELDS: CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS - (Jul 17, 2003)

- http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_klayman.html">Transcript: Bill Moyers Interviews Larry Klayman - PBS (Jul 14, 2003)


Peace and what 2 great threads!
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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-03 06:40 PM
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99. http://cheney.tvnewslies.org
http://cheney.tvnewslies.org

I have been saying this stuff for a year!
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