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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:40 PM
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U.S. Retaliates After Black Hawk Crash
Edited on Fri Nov-07-03 11:42 PM by blackcat77
The U.S. military swept through Iraqi neighborhoods early Saturday, firing at houses suspected to be harboring hostile forces in the wake of an apparent attack on a Black Hawk (search) helicopter that killed six U.S. soldiers.

Backed by Bradley fighting vehicles (search), American troops bombarded buildings with machine guns and heavy weapons fire.

"This is to remind the town that we have teeth and claws and we will use them," said Lt. Col. Steven Russell, commander of the 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment.

Russell added that an 11 p.m. to 4 a.m. curfew was reinstated after being lifted on Oct. 27, the beginning of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan (search).

On Friday, the Black Hawk helicopter carrying Americans crashed on an island in the Tigris River (search) before bursting into flames.

Maj. Josslyn Aberle said the cause of the crash had not been determined, but several other officers believed it was shot down.

"We believe it was something fired from the ground from the side of the river," Russell said. "We believe it was brought down by gunfire."

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,102449,00.html
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:44 PM
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1. retaliating for a "crash". Hmmmm
Retaliating against what, gravity?

This doublespeak from the Pentagon is ridiculous. Pretty soon they'll come up with a different term for "soldiers killed".

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:46 PM
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9. "Soldiers killed?" What's that?
You mean "deactivated bullet-stoppers?"
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:48 PM
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17. spoilers of today's happy faced news from Iraq....
eom
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:30 AM
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44. HAPPY FACES FROM IRAQ
<>

Detained Iraqis are surrounded after attacking soldiers of the U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division during an early morning raid in the village of Maidan, 40 kms northeast of Baquba, Iraq, November 7, 2003.

THESE PICTURES ARE SHOWN AROUND THE WORLD TO ILLUSTRATE OUR THUGGERY.
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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 09:28 AM
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48. democracy at work!
No arrests, no trials jut wipe 'em out!
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:43 AM
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30. Sounds Like The Start Of An Israeli Policy
eom
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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 09:25 AM
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47. I Thought we Started Israeli Policy When we Went to Afghanistan
after 9/11. Some years ago I saw a report showing how Israel went all over the world ferreting out terrorists. Seemed to me that B* was using Israeli methods to find Osama Bin Hiding!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:44 PM
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2. I don't ever
want to hear again we are the good guys in white hats and always fight wars morally and fair and square. We are as nasty and black hatted as the next bastard. end of rant
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:53 PM
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22. This is the fucking Iraqi they should be going after_
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 06:09 AM
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39. HEY he's our guy--a master financier and next President Of FREE IRAQ
Although some have detected strings attached to eyebolts emmanating from his shoulders. Notice how American Corporate handlers have made him move his mouth in time to the phrases.

1 Profit is good.

2. The terrorists must be stopped.

3. Weapons of mass destruction still exist.

4. Go Yale beat Harvard.

5. Saddams soldiers raped (pick 1--- children, nuns, Jessika, cripples, dogs)
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:45 PM
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3. I wonder how many more Iraqis were "freed" in this operation.
This will really endear us to the populace.

Fuck. The war is being run by people who think that Die Hard was real. Bunch of fucking cowboy hero wannabees who have never faced an enemy on a face to face level in their lives.

Sorry.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:45 PM
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4. Wow , blow up houses of suspects while they must stay in for curfew
winning more hearts and minds with random destruction
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:45 PM
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5. Reminding "Towns" now
That's just great. Why not round up six military age men at random and shoot 'em in a ditch to really remind the town? Hell, why stop at six - the true way to do collective reprisal is in multiples: Make it sixty. That'll learn 'em... :eyes:
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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:46 PM
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6. sounds alot like Isreal Tactics
As if those have worked?????

Keep sticking that beehive guys!! way to go fuqin morons.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:46 PM
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7. this will encourage even more hostilities
QUAGMIRE
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short bus president Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:46 PM
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8. ah, yes - the time-honored "windmill" approach to "retaliation."
Random violent flailing and lashing out at... brown folk... because we're damned sure to maybe hit a couple of the "bad ones" in the process. Right Lt. Col. Russell? You fucktarded jizzwad of a subhuman ass-canker.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM
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10. more U.S. war crimes....
Collective reprisals are classic occupation atrocities against civilians.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM
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11. Sounds like Israel
teaching Palestinians a lesson.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:14 AM
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26. That worked real well in the West Bank and Gaza
Israel is still stuck with the occupation for 36 years. Can Americans visualize 36-months of occupation of Iraq, much less 36 years?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:37 AM
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35. Worked well in Algeria too
Ask the French about that one.

Maybe there is a reason the French were not so enthusiastic about this little American adventure.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:32 AM
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50. The method was used in France, too
--By the Nazis.

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM
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12. I guess they took Trent Lott's advice?
mow 'em down, that'll teach 'em not to hate us
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM
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13. "we have teeth and claws and we will use them?" sounds like a kitten
Edited on Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM by truthisfreedom
on it's back, to me. what kind of analogy is that? somebody should write this dude some better patter.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM
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14. That officer should be court-martialled and kicked out.
So who's the terrorist now, huh?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:08 AM
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41. WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS
I got in an argument with someone about the officer who decided to fire a pistol 5 inches from a blindfolded Iraqi prisoner's head here last week-end. so be careful--thugs like him have a lot of disruptor friends here.


I agree with you this guy is out of control and in my opinion needs to be cashiered. His comments were sent to me by a cousin in "Sweden". She wondered how Amerikan's thought that comments like this would make the U.S. more popular in the world? I was unable to answer her question.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM
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15. According to the AP, US troops "blasted" civilian houses
"...swept through Iraqi neighborhoods before dawn Saturday, blasting houses suspected of being insurgent hideouts with machine guns and heavy weapons fire."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031108/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=716

It's a fairly safe bet that they didn't ring the doorbell first.

Welcome to Drive-By Democracy.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:31 AM
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29. rounding up
the usual suspects
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 06:00 AM
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38. Welcome to Drive-By Democracy.
Outstanding comment, Voltaire. You'd better register the phrase as I intend to use it a lot.

What a brilliant characterization of hooliganism and thuggery all rolled into one!!

I'm in Awe.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:47 PM
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16. We gotta destroy that village to save it!
Viet Nam deja vu!
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:49 PM
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18. This is the best way to turn Iraq into Vietnam
Edited on Fri Nov-07-03 11:50 PM by Frances
that I can think of.

On edit, I did not want the U.S. to go to war in Iraq because I remember all too well how terrible Vietnam was.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:19 AM
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27. What's next? Carpet bombing of entire villages?
Late Friday, U.S. troops fired mortars and a U.S. jets dropped at least three 500-pound bombs around the crash site, rattling windows over a wide area in an apparent show of force. Other U.S. jets streaked over Tikrit after sundown. At least three mortars were also fired onto the U.S. compound but caused no damage.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102449,00.html

These people are not going to be intimidated by this pathetic attempt at sabre rattling. We are going to get a taste of what the Soviets got in Afghanistan.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:50 PM
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19. that's horrible!
Now I bet that they'll bring down five more helicopters thanks to our "retaliation"
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:51 PM
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20. Crimony ...
... piss off Iraqi that haven't been pissed-off. Sounds like the indiscriminate machine gunning of civilians that the British did to the Irish at Croake Park in Dublin and Indians at Amritsar. Lt. Col Steven Russell needs to be recalled back to State-side.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:52 PM
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21. millions of vietnamese know first hand about our 'teeth and claws'
and so it goes...

peace
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-03 11:53 PM
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23. Pretty soon
if we try a little harder we can be put on trial at Nuremberg.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:02 AM
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24. The payback for Bush's crimes will be astonishing,
and America's humbling unprecedented.

you're beautiful, big-hearted, in many ways you're free,
and you're smart enough to get the world how you want it to be.
so it's hard for me to tell you what you shouldn't have to hear:
your nation is that terrorist most human beings fear!
Nicaragua, El Salvador, Columbia and Nam,
Cambodia, Grenada, Chile and Afghanistan,
Palestinian and Iraqi, and some more you never knew,
a united states of peoples who deserved as much as you.

- Seize the Day, "United States"
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:08 AM
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25. This violates the Geneva Conventions
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 12:15 AM by party_line
remember when that would have been shocking?

Part II
Art. 33. No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/0/6756482d86146898c125641e004aa3c5?OpenDocument
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:23 AM
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28. gee, and george didn't want to get involved with the isreal/palestinians
so he has created his OWN west bank.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:46 AM
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31. iraqi's
iraqi's may do for us what we have dreamed of for years, single term smirky mcflightsuit and send him back to crawford.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:13 AM
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32. 'Punishment' is the first rule under the Fuhrer!
Junior is such a pathetic coward...but, he wields such obedience amongst his soldiers! He learned it from his parents!

:evilfrown:
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:15 AM
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33. my local los angeles news says "Now it's payback time for the U.S."
can you believe?
are we supposed to be cheering rah rah rah go team go?
Let's kill someone... anyone!!
That'll show'em !!!
rah rah rah---


11/07/03 Centcom: 1 Killed, 2 Wounded
A 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) soldier was killed and six others were wounded in east Mosul when their convoy was ambushed with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire at approximately 7 a.m. Nov. 7.

11/07/03 Centcom: Black Hawk Down Confirmed: 6 Dead
A U.S. Army UH-60 (Black Hawk) helicopter from the 101st Airborne Air Assault Division, which was ferrying passengers, went down on the East side of the Tigris river near Tikrit, Iraq on Nov. 7 at 9:40 a.m

11/07/03 Wapo: 6 Dead as Army Helicopter Crashes
An Army helicopter crashed Friday into a riverbank near Tikrit, killing six U.S. soldiers, the military said.

11/06/03 DoD: Soldier dies of injuries
Spc. James R. Wolf ... was killed on Nov. 6 in Mosul, Iraq. Wolf was in a convoy when an improvised explosive device was detonated. Wolf died of his injuries.

11/06/03 DoD: 16th Death from Chinook attack
Sgt. Paul F. Fisher, 39, of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, died on Nov. 6 at the Homburg University Klinikum, Homberg, Germany.

11/06/03 BBC: British soldier dies in Iraq crash
A British soldier has been killed in a road crash in southern Iraq, according to the Ministry of Defence.

11/06/03 DJ: US Soldiers Injured In Iraq Attack
Two U.S. soldiers were slightly injured Thursday afternoon when several mortars were fired at an American command post in Mosul, the military said.

11/06/03 BBC: Polish Soldier Killed
The Pole was the first fatality for the European state, which leads a 9,000-strong force in south-central Iraq.

11/06/03 Centcom: 1 Killed, 2 Wounded
1 soldier from 3rd Battaliont, 82nd Airborne Division was killed and 2 were wounded when their patrol was ambushed by rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire near the city of Mahmudiyah at approximately 8:00 p.m. Nov 5.

11/06/03 Centcom: Soldier Killed in Lindmine
One U.S. soldier from 1st Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, attached to the 82nd Airborne Division, was killed when a military truck struck a land mine while traveling along a border road near the Husaybah border crossing point at 6 a.m. Nov. 6.

11/06/03 AP: Two American soldiers killed
Two American soldiers were killed in separate attacks near Baghdad and along the Syrian border, the U.S. military said Thursday, and a Polish major was seriously wounded in an ambush south of the capital.


http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx



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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:21 AM
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34. "Winning the hearts & minds of the Iraqis"
well, that's one way to do it.

The US retaliates after the insurgents fire a rocket at the helicopter. This is after the US invades their country and kills thousands of innocent civilians.

Again, they sealing their own fate. The more Iraqis they kill, the more will rise up against them. In a country of 22 million, the US is badly outnumbered, against the resistance fighters. That's 1 soldier to every 160 Iraqis. We are also outnumbered by muslims 4 to 1 worldwide.

Only pick fights that you can be reasonably assured of winning.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:58 AM
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36. Winning their Hearts and Minds
too angry with the stupidity to even post.
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MRDU Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:07 AM
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37. "The more successful we are on the ground,
the more these killers will react".

Words of wisdom from Dubya.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:03 AM
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40. so how many Iraqis did we kill today?
oh that's right, that is information we are never supposed to know....
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:11 AM
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42. There's some major fighting going on in Fallujah
If you look over the various news stories about "crackdown" and the 4? American's dead today west of Fallujah, and also look at news stations screaming "the sky will fall, al qaida's going to launch an attack on us", you can only come to the conclusion that something major is going on they don't really want us to know about.
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JeebusH Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 07:13 AM
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43. well, Col. the Iraqis have teeth and claws in Fallujah
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20031108/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_us_toll&cid=1514&ncid=1478

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Two US soldiers were killed and one wounded when a military vehicle struck an improvised explosive device in the hotspot Iraqi town of Fallujah.


"Two were killed in action and one wounded when a military vehicle struck an improvised explosive device (IED) at 8:30 am (0530 GMT)," a military spokeswoman said Saturday.


A US army captain in Fallujah earlier told AFP the vehicle was a Bradley.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 09:15 AM
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45. So what's the point to all this?
Face facts, they aren't all morans there in that five-pointed building. Why encourage this kind of behavior?

Could it be draft-related? Get us in the soup enough we won't want to "change horses mid-stream" come 2004?

:shrug:
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 09:19 AM
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46. Oi Vey!
n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:27 AM
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49. I don't think it's the Iraqis who need reminding, Mr. Russell
They seem well aware of what the American wehrmacht is capable of.

God damn the architects of this atrocity, who are turning our military personnel into terrorists. The people will pay the price, while the monied interests dabbling in this bit of military adventurism get set to spend another tax cut.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:42 AM
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51. Bush, January 21, 2003: "This looks like a rerun of a bad movie
and I'm not interested in watching it"

It's reminding me of a good movie, but I don't want to see this either.


"THE HORROR... THE HORROR...."
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