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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:36 AM
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BBC's Iraq "source" reported missing
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 03:16 AM by rooboy
Dr David Kelly, believed by many to be the source of the BBC's claim that the UK Iraq dossier was "sexed-up" by Blair's staff, has been reported missing by his family.

This is breaking news on Sky (UK). No link as yet.

On edit: Left home at 3pm local time yesterday to "go for a walk", has not been home since. Kelly is an official with the UK Ministry of Defence.

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:20 AM
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1. i hope he at least gets an afternoon movie out of it.
n/m
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:21 AM
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2. Holy Crap!
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 03:23 AM by realpolitik
This cannot mean good things.
He is probably strapped in a chair, with his
glazzies all propped open, watching imbedded journalist
footage, to the tune of Ludwig Van, oh my droogs and brothers.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 04:35 AM
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11. I tip my hat to you, my good prestoopnik.
But he would be "viddying" imedded journalist footage. :)
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:37 AM
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15. Just heard on Faux
A body has been found.. no other details yet
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Jr_Samples Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 08:52 AM
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47. Here's the real FAUX story
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:28 AM
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3. This is not good!!!!!!!
I can here Blair.......

"well, maybe I will be out of the country when this happens....."
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:30 AM
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4. Things are getting real odd
real quick
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:31 AM
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5. I really hope...
...this man's name isn't added to a list of "suspicious deaths"...
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:32 AM
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7. let's see,he went for a walk,huh?
that leaves out small plane crash or one-car accident.i'm putting my money on "suicide".
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TankerKC Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 08:34 AM
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43. Suicide?
I'm not taking that bet!
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:32 AM
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6. Suicide for sure! J. Clifford Baxter style Bush Crime Family hit!
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 03:33 AM by dArKeR
Are there any question that the Bush Family are murderers?
http://www.themanisreport.tripod.com/enronsuicide.html


http://darker0darker.tripod.com/
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DrewR Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:37 AM
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8. ARMS ADVISER IS MISSING
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1097383,00.html

ARMS ADVISER IS MISSING

An official adviser named as the possible "mole" for a BBC report claiming the Government "sexed up" its dossier on Iraqi weapons, has disappeared.

Dr David Kelly went missing from his home near Abingdon, Oxfordshire, at around 3pm yesterday.


The 59-year-old had told his wife he was going for a walk, Thames Valley Police said

The family raised the alarm when he had failed to return by 11.45pm last night.

Dr Kelly faced a grilling on Tuesday by MPs on the Foreign Affairs Committee about what he told BBC reporter Andrew Gilligan.

It was Mr Gilligan who filed the original report claiming the Government had "sexed up" the weapons dossier.

More follows...
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 03:39 AM
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9. Oh, fucking damnit (n/t)
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 04:31 AM
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10. BBC seems to be keeping article updated every half hour or so
Still no info released as of ~20 minutes ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3076801.stm

> Police say he is an avid walker and has good local knowledge
> of the many footpaths surrounding his home.

... and so is unlikely to have simply "got lost" (it's not what
you would call "hostile country" round there).

> It is not unusual for him to walk for two or three hours at
> a time, but unusual for him to do this alone.

Usually observes basic safety precautions ... but not this time.

> "Due to the bad weather and the fact it is unlikely he was wearing
> a coat he would have been distinctive ..."

... not to mention far more liable to exposure, hypothermia, ...
again, contrary to his usual safe approach to walking ...

> ... his disappearance and failure to make contact with anyone
> is described by his family as 'out of character'.

Pressure can make people behave "out of character". I really hope
that this is the case here and that he will be found sheltering
very soon.

Nihil
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #10
40. Foul Play?
Determination will the next big story....


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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:08 AM
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12. BBC Updating a good timeline here
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:16 AM
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13. body of as of yet unidentified male found....
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 05:17 AM by expatriot
"1055 BST: Police investigating Dr Kelly's disappearance say they have discovered the body of a male, as yet unidentified."

ordinary street crime i am sure.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:37 AM
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14. Oh of course......! Ordinary street crime, death of a critical key
figure in an international scandal of epic proportions.

Dude got Baxtered.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:40 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. HOLY SHIT!!
I can't believe this

:wow:
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:04 AM
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20. From the 11:30 update of the BBC page ...
> Tony Blair, who is heading to Japan, has been informed about the
> discovery of the body.

Hmmm ... why?

Consider that the police haven't even confirmed the ID of the body
as being Kelly. Now the PM has apparently been informed that an
unnamed body has turned up in the Oxfordshire countryside.

I find it hard to believe that Fifi is interrupted on his globe-
trotting for every unidentified corpse that appears.

Wonder if they'll compare the handwriting on any convenient note
that may turn up to that of the "Nigerian export minister"?

My fingers are still crossed that this is just a coincidence of
course but the gut-feel disagrees.

Nihil
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:13 AM
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24. That;s ridiculous
under these circumstances OF COURSE he would be informed.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:24 AM
Response to Reply #14
32. Dude got Wellstoned
Dude got Kennedyed

Dude got ML Kinged

Dude got Bush-Blair-whacked.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:28 AM
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36. Baxter-ized
:(
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:09 AM
Response to Reply #13
22. Ordinary street crime? In rural Oxfordshire?
Maybe he was attacked by a sheep.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:11 AM
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23. Even seen an episode of Inspector Morse?
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:23 AM
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26. Morse Rocks!
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:45 AM
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28. Love it. But as I'm sure you know
...even though the show manages to make it seem like Oxford is the murder capital of the world, the actual murder rate there is trifling.

The one major flaw in all these shows. If I ever saw Miss Marple or Jessica Fletcher coming I'd run screaming. "Get away, someone's gonna die!" Actually, it's even worse: how come the police never connect the dots and say, wait a minute, every time this woman shows up, someone gets murdered. Maybe we're chasing the wrong criminals...."
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:56 AM
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17. Body found near home of missing Defence advisor
A Ministry of Defence advisor, named by the government as the possible source for a disputed news report on Iraqi arms, has been reported missing by his family, police said Friday.

Police searching for David Kelly said Friday they have found a male body about 5 miles from his home in in Oxfordshire, central England.

But detectives have not yet identified the body, a spokeswoman for Thames Valley Police said.

http://theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030718.wdisappear0718/BNStory/International/

http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 05:59 AM
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18. Yeah.. He probably "tripped"
or maybe "natural causes" like Lori Klausitis.. ..

This really stinks, but nothing will come of it, because there is a massive cover-up underway.. The trutch MAY come out many years from now, but this whole "episode" of lying your way into war, will be covered up and hidden away..

nothing to see here..move along...get over it...move on...:(
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:02 AM
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19. Suicide, I think
Ordinary and quiet man could not take the public pressure and humiliation.

Straw, Blair and Campbell are very much responsible if this is true. They used him as a pawn in their attack against BBC and Gilligan, threw him to the hyenas and accused him of being "the source" - knowing the accusation to be untrue - a sacrificial gambit. But this is not chess, these are humans, not pawns.

Just one more death to add to the list of their Iraqi crimes... :(
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:25 AM
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33. Bullcrap. This is an obvious murder.
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 07:27 AM by w4rma
That is the most ridiculous motive for suicide I've ever heard of. He was a microbiologist. I think he would know that the press would no longer be paying him attention in a few months to a year or two.

And, the British aren't going to skimp on the investigation like U.S. police have done in the past with potential political assassinations that look like suicides.

Yeah, I'm jumping to conclusions. But, I don't care. I'm going with my gut on this one.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:05 AM
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21. Important piece
The shit hits the fan, the waters are muddied even more, and any good publicity from Blair's poodling last night is extinghished.

This is a tragedy, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions here other than to say this is obviously suspicious. Other than that we know very little at present.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:17 AM
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25. Good background info on Kelly here
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:28 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. Whoops ... missed that bit ...
Didn't realise he was ex-Porton Down (head of mb there for 8 years).
I think that the actuaries in the insurance industry are going to
start marking "microbiologist" as a high-risk occupation ...


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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
58. MISSING ADVISOR'S TESTIMONY
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 06:57 AM
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29. Does anyone have a link to information about all the dead
microbiologists that committed suicide or had heart attacks since the beginning of the year or withing the last eight months?

How many microbiologists are dead?

Is there any article that threads it all together?

Kelly. Another one?

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. go to
cooperativeresearch.org

I tried to go there this morning but couldn't load it and have to go to work now.

Paul Thompson's excellent site has a section which deals with the scientists.

this is so blatant, isn't it?

This, outing Wilson's wife and thus endangering her, her sources...

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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #29
46. Try these links from Rense...
He is a little out there with the sci-fi-alien stuff, but many of his articles are well researched and quite credible.

Microbiologist Death Toll Mounts
httm://www.rense.com/general20/mic.htm

Strange Cluster of Microbiologists' Death Under the Microscope
httm://www.rense.com/general24/exk.htm
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:09 AM
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30. Here's a picture of him from the other day

I wonder if the position of his fingers was "accidental":)



Fri Jul 18, 5:34 AM ET

David Kelly is seen after being questioned by the Foreign Affairs Select Committee in London this July 15, 2003 file photo. Kelly a Ministry of Defense advisor on weapons of mass destruction, named by the government as the possible source for a disputed news report on Iraqi arms, has been reported missing by his family, police said Friday July 18, 2003. ( AP Photo/ PA )



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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #30
35. Kelly Looks Scared
in that picture after questioning.
This death should make Blair a little scared and empower the coverup crew. Why do important links always disappear?
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:27 AM
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34. I feel physically sick...this is
so sad and I also don't want to jump to conclusions, but reminds me of the Enron "suicide." I hope his death will not be in vain and that these lying bastards are outed.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. update: the body iis HIS>>>>>>
n/t
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:36 AM
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39. Link to BBC - "Body 'matches'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3076801.stm

Body 'matches' Iraq expert


Mr Kelly arriving to give evidence to MPs this week
Police searching for the weapons expert suggested by the government as the possible source for a BBC story on Iraq say the body they have found matches Dr David Kelly's appearance.


Oh shit oh shit oh shit...
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:40 AM
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41.  Identity has been confirmed
the body found is the dr. No cause listed yet.

Someone else mentioned - and I think it's important:

Wilson talks to the press

a right wing shill "journalist" does a story that adds to Wilsons and name the source as "Wilkinson"

The Wilkinson story is then retracted as a hoax - but the headlines are what's remembered. "CIA claim false"

Wilsons wife is outed by two un-named officials as a long time CIA operative - ruining her career, and perhaps endagering her life.

David Kelly turns up dead....
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:33 AM
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38. Former UN weapons inspector
CNN reported that he was a former weapons inspector. If we only could see through hia eyes.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 07:50 AM
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42. So should somebody put Joseph Robert on "suicide watch"?
Maybe George Tenet is scheduled for a brain aneurism soon?

:shrug:
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 08:36 AM
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44. Body matches Dr Kelly description
The body found near the home of Dr David Kelly, the government adviser named as the possible source of controversial claims about the Iraq weapons dossier reported by BBC correspondent Andrew Gilligan, matches the description of that of the missing man.

Police at the scene confirmed the clothes matched the description of those Dr Kelly was wearing when he left home at 3pm yesterday, when he was wearing jeans, a white cotton shirt, a brown leather belt and brown shoes.

However, Thames Valley police say they are conducting two separate investigations - one into Dr Kelly's disappearance and another into the identity of the body - and there is no official confirmation yet the body is that of Dr Kelly.

<snip>

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,1001008,00.html
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:04 AM
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48. From the same article:
> Police have said there will be no formal identification until a postmortem
> is completed tomorrow.
> Dr Kelly's family will not be taken to identify the body until tomorrow,
> and police have said they will not confirm the identity of the body until
> a full postmortem has been carried out.

I thought the identification would normally take place before the postmortem
in a "missing person" case. More so in this case as the body was found lying
face down (i.e., there will be a lot of examination of the facial tissues to
find out if he died lying down in the place where he was found).

Or can they do that sort of examination without too many cuts these days?

Still, at least it gains enough time to get the story straight ...
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 08:42 AM
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45. Hold on there CNN!
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 08:43 AM by jmcgowanjm
Talking about Kelly's death at 7:40AM CDT, then do this
incredible segway w guy describing his
bud Kelly
into IRAN having
Radioactive SAMPLES of something!

Can CNN throw a story even as they're reporting it?

Is there anything left to lie about?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:35 AM
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49. The spin begins
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3077425.stm :

> ... Labour committee member Eric Illsley told BBC News 24: "I would not
> have thought that simply appearing before a select committee on this issue
> would be sufficient for him to take the actions that he has done."

Thus implying that "the pressure sent him over the edge, he took his own life,
case over, move on". The seeds are being sown.

The postmortem has to be completed before the decision about a judicial inquiry
is made ... but the postmortem will be tomorrow ... which is a Saturday ...
News does not propagate well at the weekends but the little seeds sown this
evening will have chance to grow in the meantime. By the time Monday arrives,
this will not be "hot news" - just "news" - and the various background threads
will have made their mark on the nation's psyche, attention will have drifted
elsewhere ... like to Asian photo-ops, "North Korea rah-rah-rah", "didn't the
Prime Minister do well in Congress?" and other such noise.

Oh, by the way, the Bush/Blair meeting appears to have changed the state of
play with the British Gitmo prisoners ("suspended the threat of military
hearings"). That will probably capture more headline space over the weekend
than anything from Oxfordshire.

However ...

> John Maples, a Conservative member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, said:
> "If it is Dr Kelly, it is just awful. What can you say? Nothing.
> "There must be more to this than we had thought. I do not know what that
> means, I just think there is.

Want to bet he gets slapped down, warned or smeared in the near future?

> "In fact, several people (on the committee) said 'you have been used by the
> government'.

Sadly, his "use" didn't end there.

> Before news that police had found a body in their search for Dr Kelly,
> Downing Street was keen to rebut suggestions the official had been made
> a "fall guy".

I'll bet! Whoops ... kill that meme before someone reinterprets it!

Nihil
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Sirius_on Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:43 AM
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50. Could this be a subtle hint by BFEE?
Edited on Fri Jul-18-03 09:43 AM by Sirius_on
Mess me with and this is what will happen?

"Dont mess with Texas?"
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:49 AM
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51. This is pretty eyebrow-raising stuff...
As to the "pressure driving him over the edge" theory...that just sounds like bullshit.

PB
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 09:56 AM
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52. Ho-ho, even the Freepers are putting their tinfoil hats on for this one...
No reason to give Freep any more traffic so I won't post a link but there are two threads, at least, about this and about 30% of the messages believe that he was "bumped off". Now, when the day comes that people on DU and Freep start to agree on a particular issue, you can rest assured that a wide spectrum of the public, both in the US and Britain are going to share the same suspicions...

PB
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. Is this the UK equivalent of flying in a small plane?


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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 10:00 AM
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53. He's dead according to Gaurdian Unlimited
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1000922,00.html

Officers have confirmed that the body matches Dr Kelly's description.

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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 11:27 AM
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54. A village mourns
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3078585.stm

To most people who knew him, he was a quiet, gentle man who would always offer a cheery wave and give you the time of day. Few of his neighbours in the rural Oxfordshire villages where David Kelly lived and liked to ramble were aware that he was "a significant person" - that was until his televised appearance before the Foreign Affairs Select Committee.

Only days later, those same neighbours and friends are reeling from the shock that a body has been found on one of the routes he liked to walk along - and all are dumbfounded at the likelihood it is him.

Across the road at the Waggon and Horses pub, the front terrace is filled with reporters speaking hastily in to mobile phones.

Those not in the know, stop and stare, or walk past in wonderment at why this house and least of all this little, one-street village, has suddenly become so newsworthy.

(snip)

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Ella Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:11 PM
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56. Kelly turns up dead on the same day
Bush takes the 2 UK "terror" suspects off the quick-tribunal-and-execution list.

If this isn't a quid pro quo I don't know what is, and they're doing this right in front of our faces!
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Ella Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:12 PM
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57. Kelly turns up dead on the same day
Bush takes the 2 UK "terror" suspects off the quick-tribunal-and-execution list.

If this isn't a quid pro quo I don't know what is, and they're doing this right in front of our faces! :mad: :puke:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-18-03 12:52 PM
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59. this ups the ante
the British press is going to go on a howl.

And where was Richard Perle on the day in question?
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