Chertoff: Katrina 'overwhelmed' us

It would help if they had actually RESPONDED AT ALL within the first week. That would have been a good first step.

Since when do only aboriginals, for only whom alone this is honestly their native 'homeland', take precedence over the rest of this nations immigrant citizenry in public discourse?

Or is this unwieldly, overblown bigger government Nazi fascist centralized 'homeland" uber-bureaucracy nonsense just another big wasteful, confounding, phony propaganda lie?

Does the MI6-CIA Mafia have to control, regulate and co-administer all our waste treatment too?

Next, the NSA Mafia will be tapping and "data mining" our sewer lines.

No lazyass dubya, unlike the foriegn policy DCI Godfather who controls YOU, you can't just appoint some screwup bureaucrat to do YOUR DECISION MAKING, exercise YOUR AUTHORITY and do YOUR JOB!!!

enough money this time around to come back in 6 years with a vengence. I am very worried. They have tapped EVERY PROFIT CENTER they could find. The "Americans citizens" are their bitch.

Our only hope is to create a million blogs, write a billion letters and never give up the fight.

We must speak with a unified, single minded voice for Peace, Liberty and Justice for all.

All we need is a true revival of Americans against corrupt, noble, elite Imperial Religious Conservative Fascism and back towards truly Liberal Republicanism!

There isn't, and there never ever will be a ~"Statue of Conservity"~ !

That image would be a bloody, starving, beaten, dead slave in chains.



These Tory Conservative MI6-CIA Mafiosi are NOT 'republicans'....

"...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." -- George Washington

Will they up the money we need so that the residents can all get disability for our PTSD?

Fucking asshats! :argh:

Chertoff should be fired. The President should be removed form office

I think our southern candidates should all use that backdrop, whenever they have a photo op....

... He's not even worth my rhetoric.

They'd all be so busy trying to "get out of harm's way" that Halliburton wouldn't get any no-bid contracts for a couple of weeks.

no terrorist attack would take out the entire coast from the mississippi/alabama state line all the way to johnson's bayou, lousiana on the louisiana/texas state line

what bothers me is this -- what if katrina had actually been a cat 5 when it made landfall and a cat 4 when it hit new orleans, as originally projected

when i evacuated, this was the original warning from the nat'l weather service

katrina actually weakened before it made landfall as a cat 4 at buras, it moved east, and gave new orleans the less powerful western side of the storm when it hit as a cat 3

it is hard to understand being overwhelmed when you were told to prepare for something an order of magnitude more powerful

being overwhelmed is NO EXCUSE when you were told in advance to be prepared for 50,000 dead and destruction of virtually every industrial, hospital, and residential structure in the greater new orleans area

they had one FEMA guy at the superdome -- ONE!!!

"overwhelmed" him. :eyes:

I think legal action would be appropriate too.

:shrug:

i am not a lawyer but i've been told that you are mostly not allowed to sue law enforcement or other gov't workers in their line of duty, it has to be really egregious before a judge will grant you the right to litigate

yes, the nat'l guard should have been in place and supplied for emergency relief on august 27, when they announced it would be a cat 4 at new orleans, but doubtful you are allowed to sue the comander in chief of the armed forces (mr. bush himself natch) for failure of leadership and i don't think you can sue anyone else in chain of command either, if the people could sue the armed forces for poor leadership, we'd have an eff-load of lawsuits during time of war, i think


many people are hot to sue the army corps of engineers which destroyed their homes and even in some cases killed their older family members but i don't think the feds will just smile and allow themselves to be sued, the potential liability of the united states in this matter is god untold trillions when you start looking at the financial damage and also punitive damages for army corps of engineers not building the levees in accord to plan


a class action suit is worthless anyway, the victims don't need $13.86 in a decade, they need enough $$$ to rebuild and start new houses and lives right now

blanco has proposed blocking any further oil lease sales offshore louisiana, beginning in august, until louisiana is provided w. sufficient royalty income to fund the restoration of the state's coast -- the entire coastline, not just the port of new orleans, was destroyed, as you will remember -- that is one line of attack and one i fully support

"the potential liability of the united states in this matter is god untold trillions..."

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and i mean all of them, bush too, the fish rots from the head down, my friends drowned in their own house while * strummed the guitar and while there was one -- ONE -- FEMA representative in the superdome and zero nat'l guard in the streets

so what's going to happen if there's a biological attack?

Sit around and fret about how fabulous they look before doing anything?

Somebody please explain how Republicans are stronger on Homeland Security. Please.

......."How could you go to bed that night (Aug. 29) not knowing what was going on in New Orleans?" Lieberman asked.

Lieberman said that under Chertoff's oversight, disaster workers "ran around like Keystone cops, uncertain about what they were supposed to do or uncertain how to do it.".......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060215/ap_on_go_co/katrina_washington;_ylt=AkWf6QJPH98gik069jO0AkGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Sens. Take Homeland Security Chief to Task

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Republican and Democratic leaders of a Senate committee chastized
Homeland Security Director
Michael Chertoff on Wednesday as a congressional inquiry found that thousands of Hurricane Katrina's victims could have been spared though better planning and faster action.

For his part, Chertoff acknowledged missteps on his watch, "many lapses" and said he accepted responsibility. He called the storm "one of the most difficult and traumatic experiences of my life."

That's why the usual business practice is to hire a leader who can do his freaking job.

experience of my life". Who gives a shit? The man is still alive, he's collecting a huge salary. He still has his house. He gets to turn in his expense report.

UNLIKE the thousands in N. Orleans who lost everything.

AS MUCH as I would like to believe his sob story, the pictures of Bush come back to my mind......

Bush at John McCain's birthday party.....licking the frosting from his fingers....

Bush playing guitar, as people were hanging on for their lives, as the water rose higher....higher....higher.....

Bush finally realizes it's serious....he gets on Air Force 1, flies over N. Orleans. They publish a photo of Bush, sitting in the airplane. He looks down at the devastation, then flies back to Washington.

Quit your crying and get out, Chertoff.

That's what I want the friggen' red staters to see - how they partied while people died.

to have done anything effective to relieve the suffering?



ASSHOLE!

i'll even say a good word for that guy in the state next door, the two governors and the parish officials worked very well to get a plan to allow people to drive out safely

we have never, never, NEVER had a contra-flow work so smoothly to get people out of harm's way

each evacuation was studied and adjustments made, in dennis (july) one parish did evacuate out of order, in katrina, you pretty much had a model evacuation

look over at texas next door and the 100-plus people killed in the evacuation of houston for rita for a comparison

blanco's predecessor, the do nothing mike foster, never troubled himself to do anything except try to get the motorcycle helmet laws repealed, i hate to think what would have happened if the big one had come during his reign of error

nagin ordered the first-ever mandatory evacuation of new orleans, something i thought i would never live to see, under the concept of "why bother to give an order that people can't afford to obey," but thanks to his order and the gravity of his person while giving the order, people who wouldn't normally get the hell out did get the hell out

nagin and blanco may not have saved everybody, and they may not have much use for each other, but they both saved lives

more than you can say for drownie brownie and chertoff

including standing her ground against the pretender to the presidency. By not allowing the federalization of the state some say she cost lives, but in truth had the US Army been in complete control I am fairly certain more lives would have been lost. Professional military would have fired on people "looting" for groceries to survive without a second thought, unlike our homegrown National Guard who exercised restraint.

I was a holdout, not evacuating until the last moment that the contraflow plan was in effect, and I can vouch for its effectiveness!

Her initiative to put gum in the spokes of oil/gas leasing is another reason she has my support. Louisiana is entitled to enough of a cut of the revenues to restore the levees and wetlands, after all it is coming from our greatly diminished coastal areas.

Scratching his nose, eye movements, way with answers.

Fucker is a lying SOB

dick head!

"It's hard work."

:eyes:

They tend to be overwhelming. If they weren't, any of us could have went out and dealt with it and been successful. Dude, quit your bitchin', buck up and take some frickin' responsibility.

that Chertoff couln't manage a spitball fight.

Feb. 15 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told a Senate panel today that he is responsible for the federal government's failures in the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Chertoff, who was in his job six months when the storm hit Aug. 29, promised to fix the problems with the Federal Emergency Management Agency that surfaced before and after the hurricane.

``I am responsible for the Department of Homeland Security,'' Chertoff told The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee in Washington. ``I also have the responsibility to fix what's wrong.''

Katrina, one of the deadliest U.S. disasters on record, killed about 1,200 people. The administration's review, expected to be released later this month, is one of three government analyses. A special House committee's report to be released later today says Chertoff was slow to mobilize federal help.

~snip~

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aK3ntEC5aS3o&refer=top_world_news

specific actions are needed, not just words

A member of the bush administration takes responsibility for anything? To make him feel better, bush will give him a medal as he shows him the door.

Bush** will give him a medal as he lets him revamp the broken system.

Chertoff was a laywer for the Rep. investigations in the either House or Senate. This position was just a payoff for that.

or would he start singing quite a different tune?

in that administration.

No honor among thieves and all.

I doubt he's going to last long.

culpability! No person in this administration has ever been fired for incompetence but if you tell the truth, watch out!

He's just trying to keep the Shrubster from having to.

If he was truly feeling responsible, he would recognize that he was incapable of handling the job in August of 2005, and he is still incapable in Feb. 06, and step down.

Did he offer this during his opening statement or was it pulled out of him during questioning by the panel?

after he received a White House letterhead envelope with white powder and a note "This is your last warning" in it?

I don't care. Fire him, put him in jail, and tell him if he spills the beans about Bush's role in the delay he might get time off.

My take on Bush: We know he refused to send help because Blanco wouldn't let him pull his PR stunts. If Bush was ever told that people were dying because of the delay and he said "Do it anyway," that's murder one.

republicans "accept" responsibility as well as an angry teenager who has just wrecked the car..

1st interview...

No Mom, I was asleep, I never took the car..I don't know HOW the side of the car got smashed in..

2nd interview

I SAID I never took the car, and I don;t know how it got crunched..I think Joe (younger brother)must have done it...I heard a noise from his room last night..It woke me up.

3rd interview...(after the cops show up to tell Mom & Dad there was a witness to the accident)

Okay Okay Okay.. SO I took the car, BIG DEAL.. I ASKED if I could borrow it and you said NO..But the accident was not my fault..
Are you HAPPY now? I admitted it..Now I don't want to hear about this again!

They are all lies.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff responds to questioning before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, Wednesday, Feb. 15, 2006, on Capitol Hill in Washington. The Republican and Democratic leaders of a Senate committee chastized Chertoff on Wednesday as a congressional inquiry found that thousands of Hurricane Katrina's victims could have been spared though better planning and faster action. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

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(Chertoff is shown here (physically) admitting he's a LOSER!!!

but that is no excuse to do the Bush-Cheney-Rove denial thing (which I define as keeping the NGO's and the press out - the old "Bush-Cheney-Rove Denial" - and spreading false rumors). I was an NGO volunteer - I saw it.


FEMA and DHS may have been overwhelmed - but that is no excuse to abandon the and its companion - the same system that you require all cops and fire fighters and rescue medics and volunteers (Salvation Army, Red Cross, Baptist Brotherhood,St Vincent de Paul, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, etc.) to learn and follow. Your ad hocracy was screwed up because your people did not know and/or did not follow the - .

Coastie was there - Coast is a Coast Guard Veteran (Lieutenant, Captain of the Port Office, New Orleans), a Red Cross Disaster Assistance Team Captain and Mass Shelter Manager, a Community Emergency Response Team Captain, a Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Response Service "Amateur Extra Class" Licensee operator, and an Eagle Scout. Coastie is better prepared for your job then you, and for Brownie's job then Brownie.


And Coastie briefs his Congress persons and staffies in his Senators' offices - you bettcha.

And Coastie's goatee wasn't trimmed -- Mrs. Coastie said he looked like a homeless person.

The New York fucking Times did a huge spread on what would happen to New Orleans in a major hurricane a few years ago. Louisiana papers had published much of the same scenario a decade ago, and the science is older than that. The result was predictable and things unfolded as predicted. It is a shame, and unbelievable, that these hot shot disaster planners could not even do a simple search of publicly available information.

It is just like Rice claiming that no one ever thought anyone would fly planes into buildings, when one of Tom Clancy's bestsellers opens with a plane flying into the Capitol. I still can't get used to the utter contempt these bastards have for the American people.

That's what peasants do, isn't it? Grub and plan and worry, stockpile, and train and think: us bosses just sit around making calls, eating lunch, doing photo-ops and sending large checks to our cronies. An ocasional meeting, preferably overseas, to break up the monotony. Sexual dalliances optional.

as soon as Clinton left office dubya filled the agencies with friends from the private sector, including FEMA. FEMA was during Clinton independent from any other agency but the doofus made it a part of Homeland Security and drastically reduced FEMA's personnel and budget.