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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:43 PM Original message |
Employers hit smokers in the wallet |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is news? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I used to think so too until I realized it's an encroachment on privacy. |
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Child_Of_Isis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Drinking? Diet or weight? Sexual practices? Lifestyle choices? |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Another blue nose nanny statist |
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Child_Of_Isis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Not only comfortable, |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
102. Didn't UK just pass NO SMOKING in pubs? |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. "Just how far should we go?" |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Sure. Then let's talk about other costs to health plans. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Actually, kids are the cheapest and easiest to treat. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
127. I don't think it, but apparently some employers do. |
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niallmac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
130. and heck, here in Idaho having kids is not synonomous with |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. The Whole Point of "Pooling" |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Perhaps because some members of the pool *CHOOSE*... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. That's Not the Point |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'm okay with accounting for everyone's risks. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
90. The fatsos are just as bad |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
120. but that is impossible without following everyone home.... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
121. yes, the pool, exactly |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
45. "Breeders" as you so delicately put it, *DO* pay more. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
128. I used the term for effect. |
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catabryna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. But, the question is... |
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Wickerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. yeah, I knew it was unhealthy, I knew I was wasting money |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Cold turkey for me -- 11 years April 1 |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. If you are still trying to quit, I recommend |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. maybe the bush oil patch family can stop polluting TX air as well |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. uh oh, another cigarrettee flamewar |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Yep. Here come the addicts. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. They already are. |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 10:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. What's Next? Chocolate? -NT- |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. When chocolate becomes a significant factor... |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. How Do You Know It's Not A Significant Factor Now? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Most people's dosage of chocolate appears to be "sub-clinical" |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Most People Don't Smoke. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. And those that do commonly die of it. |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. The Point Is;... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I don't know, but cigarettes are *FAR* from chocolate on the slope. |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. I Agree 100% |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. I have never heard a doctor say the following, |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Check This. |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Ok, so you will remember dying from emphysema |
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jayfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Then Don't Smoke. |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Unfortunately, I have watched family members die from both . . . |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. As well, it is a little early to determine that smoking |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
58. What about fat people? |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. you would go after thin people first actually |
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harpboy_ak (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
135. The morbidly obese should pay more, too. |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
104. Who pays all the taxes |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. I listened to an interview with the owner of thecompany who |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. but if an employee didn't want to take the insurance |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
40. It would more typically be a requirement of employment take the insurance. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
132. and I have issues with that, as well |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. That's fine if they provide |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. the "quit aids" are just a substitution |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. What an absurd thing to say! |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. right, I have no idea what I'm talking about |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. And I posted what *I* went through |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. It was a contest of one |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
78. You're awfully crabby. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Yeah, maybe she's Jonesin' for a Smoke.... |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
109. Congrats on your 3 years!! |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. What's crabby |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. Just because one person does it that |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. a lot of money? |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #89 |
101. Money talks |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. A crab? |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. you too! |
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gizmo1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
76. Thankyou. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
81. Shame on you for posting this. My husband is going on two months |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Shame on you |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. The shame on you part comes from looking down your nose at those |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. oh wow... |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Talk of substitutions. "Want to quit? Just quit." Easier said than done |
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thinkingwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. let's go back to my entire post |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 09:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
125. That's because |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. yeah, next you high skiers and rugby players |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Yes, and does that mean if an employee already has diabetes, or heart |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Already happening |
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Child_Of_Isis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Why don't we charge FAT people more for their premiums? |
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Contradistinction (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Why don't we charge FAT people more for their premiums? |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
126. Let's charge women more money |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. This argument really blows my mind.... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I agree with you, but I'm going to say something very mean and |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. no it didn't |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
20. The real question to ask is, "Who will they punish next?" |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
24. Let's pick on the smokers! It's easy and profitable! |
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Child_Of_Isis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Plus they have put a lot of money and effort |
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cassandra uprising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #24 |
43. When ever a smoker apologizes to me for smoking my reply is |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
25. People have forgotten how insurance is supposed to work |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. nice summary. thank you. n/t |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I Just Posted the Same Thing |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
79. I think a fairer statement would be . . . |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
107. You "could" argue the same for people who: |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
91. Part of the move from the social insurance model |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #91 |
122. This is a very insightful post. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #122 |
136. And they're gradually turning the temp up where they can at first |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-16-06 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
34. I would LOVE to quit smoking - but consider this |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
38. I am a non-smoker and I am AGAINST this. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. That's cool - I just hope you don't complain when your premiums go up |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Premiums are going to go up no matter what. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. They'll be yet higher when the smokers are in the pool too. |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
100. I don't give a fig for what the companies are allegedly trying to do for |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #100 |
113. You must think every company is Walmart or Halliburton. |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #113 |
129. Well, I can see we are never going to agree on this. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. No, not our value systems - just our understanding of reality. n/t |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
48. It's ironic on Meijer's part, as they sell cigarettes in their stores |
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susanna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 12:18 AM Response to Reply #48 |
123. That's an excellent point. |
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jseankil (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. Good! Why should I pay for someones sick healthstyle when it's a choice? |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Why should I pay for someone's food addiction? n/t |
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jseankil (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. If someone chooses an unhealthy lifestyle then they should paymore |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Ok, then please tell me: |
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megatherium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Perhaps we can sort unhealthy behaviors by magnitude |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. If you factor in magnitude of risk, |
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megatherium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. I would question your assertion that a bad diet in a person |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. It's a privacy issue |
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megatherium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
112. I of course support a true universal health care system. |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #112 |
133. I agree with you, but |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I shouldn't have to pay for somone's fat ass then, either. |
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jseankil (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I agree! /nm |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. It will all always come down to a balance of the most widespread |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
134. Both my parents smoked a pack a day from the time I was an infant |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
83. Here's what should be done |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
86. I really hate seeing my health insurance go up because of all those... |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
92. Umm - Pepsico? |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
97. Just another thought re: life expectency |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
98. Better get rid of the snack machines! And hey! Step away from the |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I'll drink to that! |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
106. NWO Edict to the Masses: Do As We Say-Not as Have Done and |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
110. Amazing |
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PVK (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
111. This is B.S. Why not charge the fatties and the drunks? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Two likely reasons why not: |
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PVK (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Moderation in EVERYTHING, friend. |
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Centered (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I can see it coming |
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PVK (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Exactly. Where will it end? n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Really? Try dry cleaning fluid in moderation and tell me how it |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-17-06 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
118. The whole IDEA of this is to further split the populace |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
124. ANYONE who was OK with random drug testing |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-18-06 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
137. This crap is UN-AMERICAN. And I'm a non-smoker! |
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