Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bolton's UN punctuality drive comes to early end

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 01:57 PM
Original message
Bolton's UN punctuality drive comes to early end
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - An unpopular punctuality drive launched in the U.N. Security Council last month by U.S. Ambassador John Bolton came to an abrupt end on Thursday when Argentina took over the council's rotating presidency.

Bolton had cracked the whip while presiding over the 15-nation U.N. body in February, starting meetings precisely on time, even with empty chairs in the room, as part of a plan to modernize council operations.

He had also called in ambassadors almost every morning of the month for closed-door briefings by U.N. staff on overnight global political and peacekeeping developments.

But Argentine Ambassador Cesar Mayoral made clear it would be a different story in March.

If ambassadors wanted to come on time, it would be up to them, he told reporters.

As for the morning briefings, "this is impossible," he said. "We aren't having a daily briefing each day."

If an ambassador asked for a briefing on a particular matter, he would try to accommodate the request. But absent that, the council work program was simply too heavy, he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/02/AR2006030200988.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 01:59 PM
Response to Original message
1. US clock time meets old world/Latin America clock time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. What a jack-ass. Who does this guy think he is?
The very idea that these hideous creatures represent my country makes me ill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:01 PM
Response to Original message
3. Bolton forgot the UN is same time Zone as Florida which is on FST.


That's Florida Standard Time. Thirty seven minutes behind everyone else. Hell no! We won't change.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
4. He thought he was Pres for a month!
HA! Guess they all told him it was a temp job and he FAILED!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:16 PM
Response to Original message
5. Bolton showed them how powerful he was didn't he?
What a dipshit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ron Mexico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
6. If we seperate the fact that Bolton is a dickhead from the story,
I'm not sure I am really against the idea of what he was trying here. What would be wrong with diplomats treating their jobs seriously enough to show up on time?

Sure, Bolton is crass enough of a dick to come off looking like a drill sergeant, but what if we had a UN ambassador we liked who sold it as a way of giving better value for the money invested? Presented the right way and with some degree of tact, Bolton's emphasis on punctuality is not a bad idea. It just sounds like shit coming from him.

Bolton can take as much shit as anyone wants to heap on him, I've got no problem with that (and am always happy to fling a few spoons' worth in his direction myself), but I'm no fan of the UN in its current form and am appalled that diplomats there think that punctuality is an option / inconvenience. I cannot accept the idea of "Hey, you're going to represent our country to the world, show up whenever the fuck you want."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. I might agree with you but TIME isn't the same in every country.
We Westerners have a different understanding of "time" than people in other parts of the world. That HAS to be respected (and I am a person who gets super nervous when I'm not at any given appointment ten minutes BEFORE).

I knew the former director of the Goethe Institute in Rio de Janeiro. A very good man, impressed me a lot... When he took over the job as director there they at first had a big dinner and concert with classical music, and everbody important was personally invited. It was scheduled to begin at 8 pm.

By 9 pm nobody had showed up. At 10 pm he was able to greet one single guest. At 10.30 he thought all was lost. At 11 p.m. people really started to arrive. The concerto finally began about midnight. And it was the success of successes.

We - the West - are not the world. We are the smallest part of it, actually.

----------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. thank you!
that makes so much sense and is so important!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. But doesn't the other side, the side that
treats tardiness as disrespect and a source of inefficienty, get a vote?

Or is that gauche, since it's one of "us" that likes punctuality, and the "other" must be, well, condescended to? For lack of a more accurate term.

You're in charge, you set the rules, which means determining what counts as respect. A range of people wind up being in charge, so there's a range of cultural traditions represented. Diversity. No one tradition trumps any other.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. Hmmm, one country's opinion in the form of Bolton equates to
"the other side"? Punctuality doesn't seem to have been an issue prior to Bolton who represents ONE country among many but, I guess, the US, in some minds, is equal to all the rest of the UN member countries put together, interesting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. Well, people from different cultures see punctuality very differently
and people might not agree that a daily briefing was absolutely necessary unless in time of massive warfare around the globe.

He was trying to run a bunch of men and women who shared his rank as though they were hired help, an office staff who were none too bright and needed the whip cracked.

He's an asshole. His demands were unreasonable. If he had called for a consensus, that might have been different, but he was an autocrat.

The phrase, "Does not play well with others," comes to mind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. I disagree...
You assume that these ambassadors having NOTHING to do but turn up to council meetings, when in fact most of the real work is behind the scenes. If starting on time gets in the way of their duties, then ambassadors have every right to not show up until such time as they are ready.

Behind the scenes is where the deals are made and the problems sorted out, not on the floor where grandstanding and playing for the media is the order of the day. In fact the council floor is really only for the public dissemination of the agreements made behind the scenes. What is the point of being on the floor when no deals have been made or problems solved?

Hell, no government parliament or house has 100% attendance or total punctuality - that would be form over function and detrimental to the proper running of government.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
17. Are you kidding me?
in a ROTATING presidency, the last thing you do is try to act like a dictator over the other countries. UN ambassadors have to confer regularly with their own countries. By enforcing these meetings, Bolton was effectively telling other nations' leadership that they could not instruct their ambassador at that particular time.

It's breathtaking arrogance and stupidity. Way to win friends.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. I agree that starting meetings on time is a good thing
We might wonder if a respected diplomat might have had more success than did Bolton.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:18 PM
Response to Original message
7. Ambassador Cesar Mayoral should make Bolton to stand in a corner
:dunce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
8. Heh, I bet he didn't get February by accident
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I was thinking that myself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
12. I wouldn't want a "briefing" by him either.
He's up to his neck in the fabricating intelligence business so why should anybody listen to him? Couldn't trust anything he said anyway, unless you had independent verification, in which case why would anybody torture themselves by going in to listen to him in the first place?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
15. bolton poisoned the well from the get go.
his contempt for all things u.n. isn't how get any job done there.

business in diplomatic circles is done in a very out of the sight lines way.

meetings are very good -- the keep lines of communication and information flowing -- but so do one on one coffee clatches in ambassadors offices.

in all kinds of ways.

plus i don't assume that these guys haven't hugely heavy calendars.

i imagine they are all extremely busy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 07:56 PM
Response to Original message
18. Something tells me that
NO ONE would show up on time with Bolton issuing edicts - I bet for some it was " the later the better." Bet there were more empty chairs as time went on.

Bolton does not know how to get along and has no intention of learning. He went in there like he owned the place after expressing his contempt for the institution in the first place.
Typical bush administration arrogance that results in failure.
But they will never get it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:22 AM
Response to Reply #18
27. Good point
In retrospect they all should have simply boycotted any meeting run by that swine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ben Ceremos Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #18
29. In other words,
John Bolton is as big a failure as many had foreseen him to be. Character is destiny, it seems.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
19. OHNO! The trains aren't running on time???????? Horrors!!!!!
I think I useta know a guy who could get that done...........
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:18 PM
Response to Original message
21. It's all that sex they're having (except for Bolton).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:23 PM
Response to Original message
22. Bolton? Who? WTF? The clown that can't even get congressional
approval?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:27 PM
Response to Original message
23. wow. just wow. look at how much he got done. absolutely nothing.
what a worthless sack of sh*t. the thugs must be thoroughly embarrassed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
24. Delicious, positively delicious
Bolton was going to show those diplomats how the world REALLY works according to Bolton and the diplomats quickly showed Bolton the actual facts of the matter.

Hmmmm, shouldn't his recess appointment as Ambassador to the UN be over soon? Doesn't he have to be approved by Congress in order to get back to the world-shaking importance of enforcing punctuality?


:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:55 PM
Response to Original message
26. "Sir, this just goes to prove that those top 10 floors can be axed."
I mean, if they can't even show up to a meeting on time, how can they be expected to operate the machinery of the world?

How dare they try to experience their lives without a strict schedule!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 06:48 AM
Response to Original message
28. bolton's tactic backfired bigtime, serving only to demonstrate
what a cheap and petty sandbox bully he is. its nearing the time for them to declare the un 'irrelevant' once again, so he has to do his best to alienate everyone there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:03 AM
Response to Original message
30. It's not a question of different cultures -
I read that Bolton was annoyed that some of the ambassadors were up to 15 mins late. Anyone who's worked in a big organisation knows that important people are sometimes gonna be late due to other meetings over-running etc. It's not really a big deal, you jut take it in your stride.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 07:18 AM
Response to Original message
31. Wouldn't it be great
Edited on Fri Mar-03-06 07:18 AM by hippywife
if they all just started showing up on time now that he isn't in the council president's seat? }(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. Oh--I love it!
}(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 10:20 AM
Response to Original message
32. Another defeat for AMBASSHOLE Bolton
I like that word. "Ambasshole." Suits Bolton.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 02:06 PM
Response to Original message
34. "Bolton had cracked the whip..."
Bolton sure knows about discipline.

Whatever happened to the charge by his ex-wife that he forced her into unwanted anal sex?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 06:11 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC