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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:29 PM
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About Face: The Implications of Bremer's Recall to U.S. For Crisis Talks
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/World/iraq_bremer_031112-1.html

Nov. 12 — There were increasing signs today of a major U.S. policy shift on Iraq that would speed the transfer of power to an interim Iraqi administration, and abandon the plan devised and advocated by L. Paul Bremer, administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority.

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One senior administration official told ABCNEWS that a consensus had emerged in the administration that "Bremer's seven-step program for Iraqi self-governance was no longer tenable."

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The seven-step plan has come under heavy criticism from European allies as well as members of the Governing Council because it did not allow for a speedier transfer of authority to a provisional Iraqi government. Today U.S. officials, who in the past have voiced strong support for the plan, began to distance themselves from it.

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TomNickell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:52 PM
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1. Reality intrudes?
One exit strategy for the Bushies is to set up a government of some kind, declare victory and leave. Hoping the thing can stay vertical until after the US election.

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 07:54 PM
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2. just posted more info
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 07:38 AM
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25. They ought to be,
what ever did happen to "Traitorgate" anyway. It is pretty obvious despite the chimp's constant chest beating "we will not cut and run", that that is exactly what they are doing. Getting our of Iraq would be a good thing, but they ONLY care now cause its killing their poll numbers NOT our soldiers and innocent civilians. We NEVER should have done this in the first place, will this be shown has the huge failure it is or as our regime "doing the right thing"?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:02 PM
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3. I believe nothing,...
,...that this administration, implicitly or explicity, states about anything. They consistently play bait and switch. Most likely, they are baiting the people into the appearance that they are trying to be "good" by hastening power to the Iraqi people. Then, the switch will be having to be "good" and save the day by additional "shock and awe" because "the terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming!"
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:05 PM
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5. Welcome to DU Just Me!
glad to have you here - you will be quite comfortable with others that do not believe a thing that falls from the lips of these drooling liars. :hi:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:09 PM
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6. Thanks for the Welcome, UpInArms
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:10 PM
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7. Me too. A video conference call could accomplish the same. So why
Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 08:11 PM by dArKeR
do we have to pay the extra $400,000 to move these GOP scum around the world?
Probably more like delivering stolen Iraqi art or cash to The Bush Crime Family. And/or picking
up some WMD to plant in Iraq.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:29 PM
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9. Dimbo And Bremer Are Cousins
Probably had to deliver some loot and pick up 50 cases of cheap whiskey.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:11 PM
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8. Yeah, welcome to the madhouse!
:D

Enjoy your stay! Nice comment, by the way. You may be right.

Or PNAC is ready to move on to Syria. Eeep.

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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 12:58 PM
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14. Hi, Just me !
Welcome to DU :party: I agree with your post; love the "drooling thing". Not hard to visualize at all.

My rule of thumb now is: if the White House likes it, it's a bad thing. If they're fighting it, that's exactly what I approve of.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:22 PM
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21. WELCOME TO DU! Tried that TOLL FREE Capitol Hill number?
1 (800) 839 - 5276 - it'll transfer you to anybody's office in the House and/or Senate - and, again, it's FREE!!!!!!!!!!!

I've used the stuffin's out of it, myself.

Glad to have you with us. Sometimes I feel rather alone out there - and I come to DU for solace and the company of others of like mind. This so-called administration makes me sick to my stomach.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:02 PM
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4. AWOL has really done it this time
Unglued a muslim country held together by a U.S. military dictator puppet that no longer pleased the junta.

Smirky in wonderland.

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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:29 PM
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10. this is a recipe for civil war--
--and a lot more people are going to die in Iraq. God this makes me sick.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:34 PM
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11. Leave It To Bremer
The new tragi-com reality TV show, now being distorted on your nightly "news" networks. Will star Eddie Haskell as the wise ass know it all 'Bremer" who is expected to "clean up Chimpy's mess in the sandbox."
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Clyde39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:37 PM
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12. Something "new" almost every day!
I read about "bait and switch" and other theories. One can only wonder what is going on behind the scenes.......lots of confusion with no answers we can trust (maybe that's their plan)?
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:45 PM
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13. Getting whiplash trying to keep up with the "policy" of the moment
:crazy:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:03 PM
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15. Excellent report on Radio Australia this AM---doubts this can work
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 01:05 PM by Gloria
Excellent report on Radio Australia this AM--first, an Iraqi who lives
in Melbourne, saying that the Iraqi people know that the council members are CROOKS (his words), so shifting more responsiblity to them may not do the trick. They know the council was hand-picked by the US and it hasn't proven itself to the Iraqi people.

All this shifting of power stuff is an attempt to change the political climate in Iraq...but it may not work at all..shifting from "7 steps" to a "2 step" plan....using the council as an "interim" govermnment...

Then, a live, on the ground report from Baghdad...repeating this whole idea plus reiterating that US soldiers are very nervous and shooting people won't help the situation. The "hammer" technique probably will turn more Iraqis agains the US instead of diminishing the insurgent numbers. She said the Iraqis are very articulate in expressing how they feel about the American presence--we are seen as occupiers.

And let's not forget the comments by the editor of the Turkish Daily news a few days ago, particularly with regard to the use of more Iraqi troops to take oversecurity----that, in his view, is an invitation to WARLORDISM, as everything breaks down into the various sects that have fought each other in the past......
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:03 PM
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16. Yep, when I saw that yesterday
..it reminded of a post I made just two weeks ago where I said I smelled that they were up to getting a dictator of their choice in there, declaring these KeyStone cops they are trying to train as the protectors, having the dictator protect our oil, and scraming out the back door. I hope the Dems start screaming. He's done his macho thing about being there to the end with the Iraqis blah, blah. But this is classic Bush; ie., say one thing, do another and then "deny and lie--deny and lie". They can't let the people buy into this bullshit. He's scared that Iraq is going to boot him out of office and if he can drop the little buggers right now, he hopes the people will forget and think he won a big victory. If the Dems don't go total apeshit, then they are as useless as him.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:39 PM
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18. I have been thinking that is the plan too Starpass......
Install dictator-du-jour and out the door in time to smell victory in 2004. Most murkins believe we won in Afghanistan and al-Qaida/taliban are long gone from there when just the opposite is true. The media promotes all of this escape from reality thinking. That is why I am afraid chimpass* has no fear of ditching Iraq and getting away with MURDER yet again...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:21 PM
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17. Notice that it is Bremer's plan now.
The administration had nothing to do with it, of course.
:puke:
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:46 PM
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22. I noticed that too
after I reread the article.. But this is about par for this administration, never claim responsibility for anything. That way you can run a clean election.. LMAO!!
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:48 PM
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19. A complete
disaster. If we stay our men and women in Iraq are cannon fodder. If we split and declare victory, Iraq degenerates into a failed state and a haven for terrorists.
Great job dumbya.
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BlackFrancis Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:55 PM
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20. there is no reason why Iraq would become a "haven of terrorists"
I don't see it becoming the new Sweden of the middle east or anything, but I don't see what benefit whatever government comes to power would see in carrying on hostilities with us.
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:39 PM
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23. Imagine this
We pull out and have to re-invade? Even dumbya wouldn't do that because it would be admitting a colossal mistake. And being a Haven does not necessarily mean the government actively supports terrorists, it can mean the new Iraqi gov can't root them out, can't deal with them, so they move to the new Iraq and party down. Maybe the new gov't doesn't give a damn about a "benefit", it may be run by terrorists who want the US to re-invade, to drag the US into a deeper quagmire, to defeat he US and then be able o run the US out of the ME altogether.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:02 AM
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24. Hmmmm.....where is the appointed C.Rice in this mess?
What happenned to dear old Condi???
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