C-span1 NOW - Nancy Pelosi fighting back!

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incredible!!!!!!!!!!

This is about how Rep. Thomas (R-CA) handled something in a committee this morning. Apparently he called the DC police in enforce his will.

This is about how Rep. Thomas (R-CA) handled something in a committee this morning. Apparently he called the DC police in enforce his will.

Talking about the pukes kicking them out of a library because he and the dems were meeting there. Said the police came. What the fuck is going on in this country? Fascist puke fucks!

what is she saying?

and didn't have sufficient time to go through it so they objected to unanamous consent that the bill had been read. Bruhaha ensued as this was apparently unheard of. I think the Dems walked out.

Police and Sgt of Arms were called. This will be a big deal. Maybe the Dems "get" that the people will be behind them if they employ drastic methods.

Rangle back up.

Just in time before they broke any House rules.

the dems are going to fight back! yes!

it seems like our dem reps aren't given enough time to THOROUGHLY inspect these bills, JUST THE WAY THE REPUKES WANT!

go get 'em, nancy!!

just a puke on now.

Before one Dem in committee threatened a repub

Bodily threat? Who threatened who?

and said "I'm going to kick your scrawny repuke ass!" At least I hope that's what he said.

"why dont you come over here and make me stop? you are a fruitcake!"

Looks like Cong McGinnis (R-coward) was going to get his ass kicked by Cong Pete Stark(D-California). I think that McGinnis is in his 40's and Pete is well into his 60's. Looks like the Democrats are willing to really fight for there rights.

to complain big time and asked if Bill Thomas could be arrested for interfering in the proper running of the Federal Government.
The woman kept saying, " I understand your concern, I understand your concern..."

After that I called Pete Stark's office. I understood from them that the police explained to Thomas that they did not have the authority to arrest the Democrats.

I also went to the dimwit's website and raised hell.

These thugs continue to act like there should be only one party.
The repukes took an open bribe here in Colorado to pass an unconstitutional voucher bill. I have asked everyone I can think of to bring charges on the rightwing shill who gave the $78,000 (it was returned later, ostensibly because the bill was not really passed at that time but still the act itself, bribing a public official, is surely illegal everywhere, even in Colorado. Taking a bribe should be just as illegal. Why haven't charges been filed? Well apparently no lawyer would take such a case for fear that they could lose their license to practice law, anyway that is what I keep hearing.

the pukes are coming apart at the seams all over the country all they can do is call the police. They are thugs and out of hand. We have got to get rid of these thugs and fast! They are a damn disgrace to democracy this is horrible.

So are we going to have ourselves a dual in the congress when is this going to come to blows?

This right here is why the USSC doesn't pick your President this is part of what this goes back too and also the hunting of Clinton for eight years people are damn sick of it as they should be!

Keep it up pukes your going down!!! :nuke:

Apparently pissy little Scott Innes, an embarrassment to the great state of Colorado is claiming that Pete Stark (one of the better humans in all of our current government) physically threatened him. The Democrats, especially Sander Levin (MI), attest that late last night, when the Ways and Means Committee tried to force something through without having it read, the Dems balked and the Republicans had the police and Sergeant-at-arms called on them.

Sorry for the loose details, it's going on right now.

That Innes is a piece of work. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw the Brooklyn Bridge.

I had to look to see his photo, to see if he seems MENACING! He looks like a very decent man, for sure.

http://www.house.gov/stark/

A House committee on Friday approved a $50 billion pension bill that would allow Americans to put more tax-deferred income into personal retirement accounts, but only after the Republican chairman summoned police in the midst of a Democratic boycott and protests over the way the measure was being handled.

The legislation, which over the next 10 years would also allow retirees to wait longer to draw money from their retirement funds, was approved by Republicans while Ways and Means Committee Democrats were huddled in an adjacent room. It could be considered by the full House next week.

Committee Chairman Bill Thomas, R-Calif., summoned police because he thought the lone Democrat to remain in the room, Rep. Pete Stark of California, was speaking out of line, other Republicans on the panel said. He asked police to remove Democrats from the adjacent room, but later rescinded that request, the Republicans said.

Assistant to the Sergeant of Arms Donald Kellaher, called in to mediate, said that "clearly the police in this circumstance have no role or authority to intervene."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11104-2003Jul18.html?nav=hptop_tb

Puke Caller: "Help - the Democrat's speaking out of line"
911 Operator: "I'll send out a Robert's Rules of Order right away."

If the Democrats don't do what you want, CALL THE POLICE!!

a caucus, but the dems were just meeting to go over the mark-up. This is damned crazy.

said Stark physically threatened the Chairman. Then that blonde repuke said this has happened at least 3 times before.

I find that hard to believe!

What a bunch of weinies, trying to call in the Gestapo.

Stark: Come on you little wimp. You think you can take me.

Hahahahahahaha.

First the Texas Dems, and now the Congressional Dems have the police called on them. Also, listen now to the repubs who get up to speak. They play the victim roll well. :eyes:

Interesting what REALLY happens when the "adults" are in charge.

I don't recall this ever happening when Dems had a majority? OK kiddies this is today's lesson in "civics"... not so civil,is it?

egg on Mr. Stark? I heard someone told him to shut up, but there must've been more since that one repuke was quoting the transcipt that Stark was effectively saying 'bring it on'..

Although the discussion in both threads is riveting, the moderators have locked the duplicate thread and ask that you continue discussion on the current goings-on in the House of Representative in this thread.

For more on this topic, you might want to scan through the locked thread as well:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=21709&mesg_id=21709&page=

Thanks!
VolcanoJen
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P.S. Barbaraann, if it's not too late to edit your subject line, it would be helpful if you could put something a little more descriptive of the current situation in the line.

I guess this is just another example of *'s bringing his people skills and Texas politics to D.C.

Feel free to edit it if you can. When I started the thread I wasn't aware of the extreme importance of what was happening.

THE HOUSE DEMS ARE PUTTING THE SENATE DEMS TO SHAME!!!!!!!!!!

"We will not be silenced!"

This is riveting. And I'm not one who can usually tolerate C-SPAN for too long (short-attention-span). :-)

I want a transcript of what he said. He spoke truth to power of what is happening and has been happening in the House. America is not a police state!

P.S. What I would give to have seen Rep. Pete Stark NOT TAKE IT ANYMORE!

There was a cover story in the New Republic on how Democratic House members are basically kept from offering any alternative legislation and how the press is, for the most, too lazy to show up to cover any Democratic efforts (hence the mass whining in the vein of "Why aren't the Democrats doing anything?").

The article did note that the House Republicans were trying to get back at the Democrats after years of being in the minority, but I think it's safe to say -- in fact, it's a no-brainer -- that since DeLay became majority leader and since Bush seized power, there has been a huge icrease in the amount of ill-will, autocratic behavior, and just plan right-wing looniness. It's a sad state of affairs when even Newt Gingrich seems slightly less nasty by comparison. Besides, we had the Big Dog in office then, and he was good at holding approval ratings and being gracious to his enemies.

Meanwhile, stay tuned.

Could someone familiar with parliamentary procedure help me with what's going on on the House floor now? They seem to have suspended discussion, turned the microphones off and are not gathered sort-of in the middle of the seating section.

I thought Pelosi had about 3 minutes left, and the acting Speaker said she would be allowed to close debate.

Thanks, oh wise ones,
Jennifer

and its just a guess.

This debate is about H.R. 324, put forth by Pelosi, that protests the Chairman's actions last night during the Pension Bill vote.

According to the House website, H.R. 324 is "considered as privileged matter".

So, I guess there's some negotiations going on down on the floor becaue time for debate is almost up (R's have 1 minute or less, Pelosi gets last comments).

Maybe, if the res comes up for a vote, it becomes "unprivileged", and the repukes don't want that to happen. Maybe.

She said she's concerned that the repubs don't see it as wrong to call the police to have the dems removed from a room where they are working- she thinks the people should KNOW that the repubs don't think that's wrong.

She said We Will Fight. The Democrats Will Fight.

I'm choking up a little bit here

what's next,they just start shooting at us? i am fucking PISSED!!!

Seriously.. they are nuts. They're like a bunch of spoiled bully kids that will do anything to get their way.

Hopefully, they'll all hang. I am so f'ing sick of all of them.

@&$&*@Q#$^!#$^%@#%&!@#%&

is reporting on the whole ordeal right now

Pelosi and the Dems explanation of what happened is being silenced and the only thing you will hear is that the police were called because that Stark Dem threatened physical violence.

They keep repeating his words...calling the Chairman a fruitcake! Too funny, a 72 year old man scared the middle age repukes!!

Who calls the police over being called a "fruitcake" by a 72 year old man?

This is a huge PR loss for the Repos.

But it still trivializes what the situation is about. The fact that they brought up this 90 page amendment five minutes before Midnight without the Dems in committee being able to read it and debate it is evidence of tyranny in action. It was not democratic what they were trying to pull. The root of this story is obfuscated by the funny remarks.
:-(

If the Dems have any spirit, they'll continue to fight with all they have.

Didn't Pelosi say that if they couldn't get this resolved this way, they'd have to go through the Ethics Committee?

are tired, finally, of rolling over.

for more details, see the thread in GD.

After Bill Thomas went Nazi, Pelosi offered a resolution posing a Question of Privilege. 1 hour of debate evenly divided was held, and apparently some Repuke nut said something objectionable and got called to pull his words back, which he did by Unanimous Consent. The Repukes then moved to table, or kill, the resolution, which passed 170-143...they didn't give members that were in their offices enough time to get to the vote.

http://clerkweb.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2003&rollnumber=397

had a press conference of the Dems involved. Right in the middle it was cut off, making me scream at the TV set. They were talking about there being no checks and balances and it was a threat to democracy and stating that 138 million Americans (Democrats) being sileneced by the majority, etc., etc.

I hope CSPAN2 will repeat this later.

In '96 Newt Gingrich told a group of Young Republicans that the only thing that he didn't like about them is that they weren't "mean enough". His successor, DeLay (affectionately known as "the Hammer") has certainly met or exceeded Gingrich's expectations of meanness.

As a bonus, Delay and his ilk have also succeeded in removing any trace of civility from the halls of congress.

I'm reading the biography of John Adams presently....debates by our founding fathers over critical issues were more civil than the way these rw wackos are running things.

IMO...'bout f-ing time for the dems to stand up to them!

I agree a 72 year old man attacking a 40 year old jerk sounds hillarious.

It shows when the tough get going the Republicans bring in the Police


POLICE STATE>

I'm waiting for the day Democrats are put in Prison

It might happen

:bounce:

And terrified of a seventy year old man. This does not surprise me in the least. They are cowards and show it at the drop of a hat. That is why they need their guns so desperately. They are scared to death to face someone mano-y-mano without a gun. Cowards