Moore removed!

breaking

...

luck of the draw.

but notice how he's putting God on trial? this is obscene. but i have a bad feeling that this is gonna get a whole lot bigger.

that shoulda been NO MOORE!

No man is above the law! Do you hear that Bush??

makes me believe that the zealot fundamentalists might not have such an edge into our judicial system.

guess I can put my burqa purchase on hold for a bit.

Now, he can run for governor or senator. The bastard is a demagogue, and a dangerous one at that. The system worked, but watch out for this guy. Please, Alabama DUers, get ready for what awaits you.

PLEASE deny this man a governorship or place in public office. Hes shown his defiance of the system and his obvious bias to religious matters. He is unfit for judicial service or any political office.

I didn't agree with the ten commandments being there, but this wasn't about that. That had already been decided. This was about a man who openly went against a higher court and he should have been punished for it. Anyone else would have been, and so should he have.

Its good to see some justice actually get served in this country again!

He has done stuff like this before for publicity, though I cannot recall what. He thinks he's George Wallace standing in the doorway to the University.

I don't think his campaign will fly.

The fundies will be on him like stink on shit trying to get him into office to 'restore some 'Murkan values' .....

This is a nightmare waiting to happen.


:hippie:

Just watch. Alabama is chock full of bible thumpers. He will win cause he has God on his side. Any opponent will be branded a "Anti-god". Just watch. Moore IS dangerous.

Just watch. Alabama is chock full of bible thumpers. He will win cause he has God on his side. Any opponent will be branded a "Anti-god". Just watch. Moore IS dangerous.

It also helps William Pryor Jr. He was one of those conservatives that was being blocked for nomination.

The state's attorney general, William Pryor Jr., a conservative who has been nominated by President Bush for an appellate judgeship, led the attack on Wednesday, saying that "the chief justice had put himself above the law.
LINK HERE

He broke the law as well as his oath of office. A judge's job is to interpret the law as it exists, not to try to impose his personal beliefs on society. I think Alabama residents can see that!

yikes! What a send-off. :thumbsup:


Separated at birth?

Na na NA na, na na NA-AH nah, HEY HEY-EY, GOOD BYE!!!!!

Ah... the pause that refreshes!

:party: :toast: :bounce: :hi:

nevermind...

You mean Judge Reborn Roy....guess he broke a few
commandments...

Some good news for the day, maybe he can get a cable show now on Comedy Central :evilgrin:

Now if Alabama can just beat LSU on Saturday. :evilgrin:

Maybe you should schedule McNeese or Lafayette instead.

:evilgrin:

Here's a part of The Bible that Judge Roy must've missed:

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.”

Ironically yours,
:evilgrin:
dbt

Isn't that one of the commandments he wanted to display?

And then there's that verse in Matthew about praying in private, not doing it for show as the hypocrites do.

this may fire up the entire right-wing and some religious independents and could, and I repeat COULD, get them motivated enough to get out and vote hard religious zealots into office. Just a thought

That is what I fear also.

offsetting it by pointing to the fact that it was republican attorney general in alabama demanding moore's removal, that man himself has been denied a federal judgeship by the democrats in the senate becaue of his staunch conservative credentials.

in this case, for the republicans and far right it is a no lose situation.

level of right wing office holders. I don't think we have seen the worst of these slimebags yet by any means. Wake up America or you'll end up dying or wishing you were dead under people who should make your skin crawl.

The Fundies probably have some of it a required reading...only the good Christian-value parts though.


Dumb hicks.

American Talibanism is, as the Tom Clancys of the world might say, a clear and present danger.

Let us remember Diderot's wise warning for secular democracy: man will never truly be free until the last priest is strangled with the entrails of the last king!

Alabama is a fucked up place :(

Isn't that a bit harsh?

The unanimous decision found that Moore had "placed himself above the law" and had failed "to uphold the integrity and independence of the judiciary … to observe high standards of conduct … to avoid impropriety and the appear of impropriety … (and) to respect and comply with the law."

<snip>
When one panelist, Circuit Judge J. Scott Vowell, asked Moore what he would do with the monument if he were returned to office, the chief justice said he had not decided, but added: "I certainly wouldn't leave it in a closet, shrouded from the public."

"What message does that send to the public, to other litigants? The message it sends is: If you don't like a court order, you don't have to follow it," Assistant Attorney General John Gibbs said in closing arguments.

more from CBS.

Moore is no moore. ;-)

the fact that there are three versions of the Ten Commandments, and Moore was throwing only the Protestant version up, the fact that the "god" he speaks of is one version , and his complete arrogance at dissing every non christian and non monotheistic American citizen in Alabama..none of the facts that there were any number of groups attempting to also put up their own symbols of their beliefs in the Alabama rotunda (they were denied), were brought up..
This is a Theocrat, and if he and his inane group want to live in a Theocracy, they can f*cking move to Iran...get out of MY country, where there is not supposed to be a theocracy......
Good riddance Moore you ignorant manure farmer.

here we have a Republican who not only made law from the bench, but continued when told he was wrong by his collegues. Correct decision. He will become a martyr, but only for the wrong-headed and fanatical.

Obvioulsy this guy was unfit to be any sort of a judge, but its scary yo think that he got as far as he did in the judicary all the while not bothering to hide the fact that he put his personal beliefs ahead of the rule of law.

He put them above his oath of office. He swore an oath to his deity to uphold the laws and the constitution, and then he spat on that oath.

isn't there something in the Old Testament about Oath Breaking? Should we be readying the stones?

(I'll have two flat ones and a packet of gravel)

..Alabama now has their next Governor or US Senator waiting in the wings. :(

monument where the 10 commandments once stood.....

http://slate.msn.com/id/2091054/

but I'm Jewish, so I'll just cheer.

(sorry – can’t link to it)

The state Court of the Judiciary unanimously imposed the harshest penalty
possible after a one-day trial in which Moore said his refusal was a moral and
lawful acknowledgment of God. Prosecutors said Moore's defiance, left unchecked,
would harm the judicial system......

Speaking immediately after the decision, a defiant Moore told supporters he
had only acknowledged God as is done in other official procedures and documents.
"That's all I've done. I've been found guilty," he said.



The Judiciary did a good deed today….They removed a judge who had lost touch with reality…

Here’s hoping the citizens of Alabama keep it that way:toast:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021022/posts :evilgrin:

"Defense attorney Terry Butts retorted in his remarks "propriety is often in the eye of the beholder."

Butts also issued a warning to the panel: "Remember as you judge Roy Moore today that tomorrow you may be judged." "

I'd say, yes.

What part of elected are they having trouble with?

How quickly they forget….The freeper mind is a strange one

Seems like a bigger issue.

...how d'ya like it? how d'ya like it?

Boy I'd like to see that.

came from out of state, I don't think that there is going to be a mass influx into Alabama to install this idiot into the state or federal govt.

He is now a certified martyr, and will push it to full advantage. Here's a quiote from on e of his attornetys: "After the court began deliberations in mid-afternoon, Moore's attorneys said they were pleased with the trial, regardless of the outcome.
"He'll be back as a U.S. senator," Butts said. "He'll be back as a chief justice. He may be back as governor." "

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1068729548236970.xml

I'm afraid we're going to be saddled with this mouthbreathing demagoguery for a while.

Most people that I run into now a days are not "christians" in any classical sense of the word. Infact, I find I run into alot of people that seem to think that we are all gods, they are "enlightened". They think the Bible is a control mechanism created by the man to keep us down. It's hard to be a Christian and talk to people like that on the net. Alot of people all over the world, of every faith believe that now is a time when we need to get right with our ideas of what happens when this is all gone. That's why, during hard times, people unite under folks like MLK and how Ghandi peacefully circumvented violent revolution. Religion will play an increasing role from here on out.

I think that in some ways, our system has gone to shit in a politically correct hand basket. The monument should have been removed. Someone should have talked to Roy and got him to donate to a local christian college or something, things could have been worked out.

Today in our society, everything is so dramatic. Consider:
Good fighting evil, Uncle Sam vs. Santa Claus, etc.

I dont know if that is the way things are just hyped, or if this is the way they have to happen. Whatever the reason, this country is getting increasingly polarized. Alot of people are facing trials and tribulations in their lives, as well as heightened awareness. I think it makes you turn even more towards your faith if you are a "Sunday Christian". I dont think we need to let our PC awareness negate the fact that this country was indeed inspired by freedom of religion, that was what it was all hyped up as, just like Iraq was a war of liberation. It was not for destruction of religion. Therefore,like it or not, religion is part of society. Instead of claiming that display of religion is not fair, why not go after equal time? Why continue to be so gleeful about polarizing?

I was listening to some NPR show about how the ACLU was suing about Christmas or something. It seemed so ridiculous to me that anyone would even think Christmas is a bad thing. Like Christmas inspires one to go out and commit hate crimes. No, it doesnt, it makes you have to drink eggnog and get presents... you usually get a paid holiday off of work, or at the very least, you get time and a half. Why not focus our media coverage on things like cultural diversity information?

Justice Roy stepped over the line, dont get me wrong. I think that this guy was definately a nutcase example of a "Sunday Christian", but I'd suggest you think about the deep south, how hard they have been hit for the last 50 years. Agriculture has been destroyed. Jobs have left. Some people are looking at faith to change things. Some people who wouldnt normally be all fire and brimstone convert in the lean times. I wish people would just read the Bible for themselves. Churches serve very different masters then they once did.

I just think that there has to be some backlash from the reich wing and I would not write him off into history just yet. Do you not think that the people who elected him realized who they were electing? I bet they did. Granted, not everyone takes the time to vote. But, ya snooze you lose, I guess. Continue to neglect your duties to this country by not voting and what do you really expect to get back from it? I bet you will get Roy as a Guvna. That's my prediction.

It's an amazing time in history, depending on what you believe. How more epic does it get? Stay tuned :)

...Carlyle Group Legal Counsel/Chaplain.

Later,
JM

To: dfwgator

In the end, there is only one "judge."

Judy or Wapner?


29 posted on 11/13/2003 10:17 AM PST by OWK
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:yourock:

...he's already been booked for Leno!

$hrub has invited him to bring his rock(s) to the White House!

Just watch, though, there will be more fundie idiots dressing up as Moses and praying over the 10 Commandments. If only these stupid people would do something constructive with their time, we could wipe out poverty, illiteracy, hunger, and unemployment (just kidding, but not really).

I HATE Alabama with a passion -I'm completely embroiled in their legal system with a corrupt Judge that wants to put me away for a YEAR in their county jail (I live in California) for the TONE of my voice while speaking to my 17year old son about his Pot smoking he did in my ex's home where he doesn't want to even live, a recording that was made illegally and accepted despite rules of evidence - you wouldn't believe what I'm going through and how much it has cost me, my very children are hostages by this Judge--

SHE is involved in ABUSE OF PROCESS as well -- I hope I can use this ruling to GO AFTER HER as well.. I have TWO appeals going at once there and have had to hire more than three lawyers to no avail.

this may be good news of my SON and I!

Any killer Lawyers out there want a case that will make them famous and can make case law in that state, let me know..

Hey Moore, don't let the door hit you in the ASS on the way out..

or the state judicial review board? or the state bar association? cases like yours make me ill. The judge is out of line, it seems. I SHOULD have been an attorney. If i was, i would take your case pro bono and rub that nimrod judges face in it.

Best of luck.

the guy is a freaking nut job!

I'm so glad that this lunatic is finally out of office. This is a HUGE defeat for the right-wing theocrats.

It's nice to see that the rule of law still prevails, even in Alabama.

Roy Moore wanted this. You could tell in the way he answered the panel, and you could tell in his demeanor. He is celebrating tonight because it was a win-win situation for him here in Alabama.

Roy realized that he had limited power as the Chief Justice. Sure, he could place the monument in the rotunda, but there are higher justices that certainly would have it removed. So, Roy is interested in obtaining power so that he can move Alabama into a Taliban-like being. He, of course, would never describe his intentions like this, but this is what he thinks his god wants. To bring the State (and ultimately the country) back to God.

So, this stunt sets him up as the little guy being wrongly persecuted by the State and the Country. He is David to our Goliath. He has a wonderful platform to now run on as Governor.

Make no mistake about it, Roy won't run for Congress or Senator. As a congressman, he will have very limited power to actually do anything, and he can forget about running against Shelby or Sessions for Senator. He knows that those two will eat his lunch. Anyway, even as a Senator, he will have limited power to make the changes he wants to make.

He sees a wounded Governor in Riley. Riley can be portrayed as a turncoat - a conservative gone bad, if you will. Riley tried to tax Alabamians and he didn't defend Roy in the monument flap. Riley will lose handily to Roy in the Gubernatorial primary in a couple of years.

The Dems will run someone, but it will be hard to beat Roy Moore in this state. I predict Roy Moore wins the Gubernatorial race in 2006 with 52% of the vote.

The other option is that he runs for Lt. Governor first. The LG has a great deal of power in the Senate, and can set the agenda. However, he has power in his eyes, and to him, Governor is where that power lies.

He will win, but will be a one termer and will end up at the top of the Alabama Hall of Political Shame right above George Wallace. This is only because George Wallace recanted in his later years and said that what he did was wrong.

So...which DUer can I come live with in two years?

Greg Sealy, head of the Sitting at His Feet Fellowship in Montgomery, an inner-city mission, said he moved to the United States from Barbados 23 years ago and that this is the ``darkest day'' he has seen in America in that time.

``The {sic} stole my vote. The judiciary stole my vote. I voted for Roy Moore,'' he said.

...

{The demented religious wacko} talked about growing up poor in Etowah County and going to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., using $300 his father borrowed to make the trip. Moore later served as a company commander in Vietnam, where he said one of the nicknames his troops had for him was ``Captain America.''

ROTFLMAO -- more like "Crapped On America" by trying to force his particular, zealous, arrogant flavor of Xtianity down our throat.

The horror! The Horror! Oh, dear, sweet Jaaaaaaay-zus, how could you forsake your cargo cult?

PS: Did anyone actually take a look at this so-called "monument"? It looked like a granite version of the sort of laughable sentimentalist kitsch one finds in Xtian bookstores. To call it "tacky" is an insult to all that is tacky.

... for Alabamans, I fear. Moore may no longer have his position with the court, but it only frees him to become the Alabama Ayatollah at the Birmingham statehouse.

Now who would want to make Roy sulk like this?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3817860

As former Dallas Cowboys defensive back Dextor Clinksdale (a member of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and who regularly led Bible study sessions on the team in the early to mid 1980s) said, 'There are people who are religious. They religiously go to church, religiously give to charities, and are religiously deceitful in their private and professional lives."