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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:08 PM
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Al-Qaida: Be ready for attack killing 100,000
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35599

An al-Qaida commander in Iraq close to Osama bin Laden warns of an imminent massive attack against the U.S. designed to kill as many as 100,000 people.

A leader who identifies himself as Abu Salma Al-Hijazi said in an interview posted on al-Qal'a – "The Fortress" – an Islamist Internet forum, "a huge and very courageous strike" has been planned, reports the Washington, D.C.-based Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI.

The attack, which he anticipates during the current month-long Muslim observance of Ramadan, will "amaze the world and turn al-Qaida into horrifies the world until the law of Allah is implemented, actually implemented, and not just in words, on his land. …"

Al-Hijazi vowed, "You wait and see that the balance of power between al-Qaida and its rivals will change, all of a sudden, Allah willing."

The interview, according to the article, took place in Iraq, south of Faluja, with five masked men carrying missiles and personal weapons surrounding al-Hijazi.

<snip>

Hmmm. For a group that has "been all but destroyed," they sure are making a lot of noise.
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ender Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:10 PM
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1. bah, its WND - about as reliable as newsmax.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:13 PM
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7. Yes, I agree but source of story is al-Qal'a – "The Fortress"
an Islamist Internet forum.

While the voracity here should probably be questioned as well, it is something that's going around in Islamic activist circles.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:11 PM
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2. the underlying assumption
that anyone would believe this tripe

An al-Qaida commander in Iraq close to Osama bin Laden warns of an imminent massive attack against the U.S. designed to kill as many as 100,000 people.

goes to the heart of the dishonesty of this administration -

there was no al Qaida link between 9/11 and SH -

and now to put this shit out just pisses me off :mad:
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Thoth Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:18 PM
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10. Disinformation
either just to keep the fear factor up, or a message from the REAL powers that be that something big is coming soon. We'll hve to see. Myself, I've felt very uneasy for a few weeks now, I feel something BIG is imminent. Whether a real or staged attack, I don't know.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:21 PM
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11. then be worried
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 05:24 PM by UpInArms
for San Francisco - as Jebbie just joked that they were an endangered species.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/11/13/state0340EST0012.DTL

and remember that Jeb Bush signed an executive order for the state of Florida 4 days prior to 9/11 regarding terrorist attacks

(edited to add link and clarification)
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:42 PM
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70. so when do we go to Orange Alert
Baghdad Bush's cronies should be hitting the sunday talk shows and doing the BOOGA-BOOGA terrorist are coming dance
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 10:34 AM
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82. Homeland Security hasn't changed the threat color
so, how can this news be taken seriously?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/

Oh yeah....I forgot...the threat level changes only when there's a holiday and the government wants to scare people about being in shopping malls or on the road. Or, maybe they just haven't heard or read this latest news.</sarcasm>
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:43 PM
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43. I wouldn't doubt that Al Qaeda is prominent in Iraq now that SH is deposed
Yet Another in a long list of reasons that invading Iraq to overthrow the Ba'athist totalitarians was ill-advised.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:11 PM
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3. WATCH THE 85 YEAR OLD MEN BUY GUNS
This type of Shit scares the hell out of every old person.

It is being leaked and promoted by the Chimpanzee and his handlers.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:11 PM
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4. You beat me to it by exactly 1 min n/t
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:12 PM
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5. Worldnetdaily quoting the Israeli government-tied MEMRI
I'll believe the Weekly World News' headline of Ussamah enlisting a cloned Hitler (actual headline) before this is accepted uncritically.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:49 PM
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35. Selective Memri
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html

Brian Whitaker investigates whether the 'independent' media institute that translates the Arabic newspapers is quite what it seems

Monday August 12, 2002

For some time now, I have been receiving small gifts from a generous institute in the United States. The gifts are high-quality translations of articles from Arabic newspapers which the institute sends to me by email every few days, entirely free-of-charge.


The emails also go to politicians and academics, as well as to lots of other journalists. The stories they contain are usually interesting.

Whenever I get an email from the institute, several of my Guardian colleagues receive one too and regularly forward their copies to me - sometimes with a note suggesting that I might like to check out the story and write about it.

If the note happens to come from a more senior colleague, I'm left feeling that I really ought to write about it. One example last week was a couple of paragraphs translated by the institute, in which a former doctor in the Iraqi army claimed that Saddam Hussein had personally given orders to amputate the ears of military deserters.

more

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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:12 PM
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6. how many of these
are there on a weekly basis from WND and WorldTribune?
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:14 PM
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8. How many of these have we heard from Al-Queda?
They don't have the organisation to match their nasty ambitions.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:24 PM
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14. hmm.
One hijacked cargo plane or large business jet (say a G-V) flown into a nuclear power plant's "holding pond" near a metropolitan area would do it.

There are supposedly "no-fly" zones around nuclear power plants, but with hundreds of them to protect, there is no way a military jet could intercept one who flies off course just briefly enough to do it.

This is a concern I've heard voiced from time to time. I don't dismiss their ability to plan nor their ability to attack. They are pissed.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:26 PM
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17. Fair enough. I just don't like the instant fear response.
Too useful for Bush.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:44 PM
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22. I know what you are saying
When Smirky's polls are down, they issue silly "alerts" to freak people out and make them more inclined to "support the president in watime"

However, I don't think there is any doubt that they will plan and carry out more attacks. Its just a matter of when....could be weeks, months or years.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:39 PM
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44. Flying a Plane
into a nuke plant is going to kill 100,000 people? I seriously doubt that.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:01 AM
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56. There's one in New Jersey...
...just west of NYC. I've heard previous comments that, if terrorists managed to hit that one, the prevailing winds would carry the radiation directly over Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and Long Island...and it would get there too quickly to allow much of an evacuation. I would hope that the government has special security measures in effect for that one!

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:45 PM
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61. Keep Your Eyes on The Spin
I never put anything past these folks, I keep on saying they would sell out their own mother to win the next election but not too many believe it

So many points to ponder but it should be no surprise to longtime DUers of what happens next because of the * and miscreants squatting in the white house

Gee Wally, I wonder what the invasion of Iraq has to do with any of this?



http://www.propagandamatrix.com/index
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge
http://www.flight93crash.com/inconceivable052302.htm
05-23-02
Keep Your Eyes on The Spin -
Let's quickly walk through the recent events regarding when the administration knew what, it's reaction and the press reaction starting with some news clippings.
The revelation instantly created a politically charged atmosphere in which every White House statement about pre-Sept. 11 threats was subjected to new scrutiny. Fleischer, for example, was asked by reporters hours after the attacks whether "there had been any warnings that the president knew of."

He replied, "No warnings."

"I don't think this should come as any surprise to anybody," he said of the warning given to Bush. "But the president did not — not — receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers. This was a new type of attack that was not foreseen."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020516/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_hijackings_24



It was well known in the counterintelligence community that the Al Qaeda were looking at car bombs, truck bombs,
boat bombs. It's no surprise they would have wanted to use aviation as well.
(snip)
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:27 PM
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46. I agree, Jacobin
What if they really mean it? And who would believe it now? Those Goddamn fools at "homeland" security have cried wolf too many times.

Because of their incompetence, people have learned to ignore whatever they say. My co-workers just scoff when they hear about another 'alert'.

Maybe we should take Al-Qaida seriously.....
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:48 PM
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72. I am "connecting a few dots" ....could it mean something?
Bremer makes an an "emgency" visit to WH.
Bremer told * that the situ in Iraq was deteriorating w/ 10,000 resistance fighters.
* tells Bremer to go back to Iraq and return governing authority as quickly as possible to the Iraqis.
* gets the hell out of the country on Nov 16


hmmmm............
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:43 AM
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54. Our military jets don't bother to intercept planes plowing into buildings
Don't you know that? I think there is no Al Queda.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:18 PM
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9. E U I'm Skeerd
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:22 PM
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12. A lot of liberals have said since 9/11 another worse one is likely.
It would not surprise me. Thousands of shipping containers arrive every day and are not inspected. If I were a terrorist, I guarantee I could
(with some financial help) perpetrate 100K casualties in any of dozens of cities. If I can think of ways, you can be sure some of them can too. If we hadn't wasted all our resources on Iraq and tax cuts for the wealthy, we could have actually improved 'homeland security.'

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:25 PM
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15. my goodness, aren't
you the practical one!

why in the world would the BFEE want to improve the conditions in the US?
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:56 PM
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26. Hey, Tommy Chong's in prison! The homeland is secure!
ARGH
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kymar57 Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:54 PM
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37. careful karl.
You may have just become a suspected "enemy combatant" in J asscraft's America. No lawyer,no trial,Hello Gitmo :-( :grr:
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:25 PM
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42. I have been within 12,000 feet of Gitmo. I ain't afeered of it.
:D
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:24 PM
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13. Is this the 5th or 6th time
they've supposedly said something along these lines?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:26 PM
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16. Now, really...
do you think they'd warn us?
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:03 PM
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28. Correct, Darranar. . .
When I was drinking I never feared the loudmouth blabbering inane threats in the corner booth. However, I always steered clear of the quiet man at the far end of bar, the one not looking at anyone as he angrily guzzled beer.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:54 PM
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73. Well, we all know there were warnings about 9/11 while * was
vacationing and reading comic books.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:33 PM
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18. Prior to the attack on Afghanistan, I recall the Bushies yapping about...
...Al Qaeda being present in at least 69 different countries around the world.

Immediately after the Bushies declared victory in Afghanistan (sound familiar?), the Bushies yapped bravely about having crippled the Al Qaeda leadership and its ability to launch terrorist operations.

I remember asking myself:

"What happened to Al Qaeda in the other 68 countries? After losing their leaders, did they behave like chickens with their heads cut off and run around panic-stricken before they too fell over dead? Wow!! Neat trick if it worked!"

Prior to the attack on Iraq, I recall the Bushies yapping about the Iraqi Army and how it would collapse if the Iraqi leaders were killed or captured within the first few days.

Immediately after the Bushies declared victory in Iraq (Mission Accomplished! Woo-hoo!!), the Bushies yapped arrogantly about having crippled the Iraqi leadership and its ability to launch any military operations.

"Don't worry about those smoke-plumes and random explosions", Rummy said. "They're just Baathist dead-enders refusing to drop dead like the dead chickens that they are."

So, we've all arrived at this sorry point in American history. Al Qaeda is operating in 70 countries now to include Afghanistan and Iraq. And the "leaderless, dead-ender" Iraqis are exacting quite a toll for having been declared defeated by the Head Chimpster several months ago.

For all we know, Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are hiding out in the basement of the White House with Cheney's energy meeting minutes and the files being withheld from the 9/11 Commission. After seeing the 2000 coup, I thought I'd seen everything...boy, was I wrong.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:39 PM
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19. The thing is I remember hearing reports about warning in 8/01
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 05:40 PM by soleft
An imminent attack by Al Quada against US interest. But at that time the thinking was another US Cole, or embassy abroad. Not that that would have been in any way acceptable. I've seen a lot of dirty bomb talk in the news lately.

If something did happen - you know it would be because we removed the ten commandments from the Alabama courthouse.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:34 PM
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30. *snicker*
That's what Roy Moore will claim I'm sure.
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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:41 PM
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20. i think the poster on "the fortress" is actually rumsfeld
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 05:41 PM by Pez
now he has a great "reason" to bust out the football. go long, dubya!
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Neutrino Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:29 PM
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66. Reminds me of what Noam Chompsky said about another 911

being the only way Bush could attempt to rally the country around
his failed Presidency.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:41 PM
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68. Surely, they have mis-underestimated him
Someone should take a poll to see if he failed that at that one also.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:43 PM
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21. Ramadan dates
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:45 PM
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23. yes but did they really say "imminent"
because you know if they didn't specifically say imminent, then it's not IMMINENT you know
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:13 PM
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60. Ready to launch in 45 minutes
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ScotTissue Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:45 PM
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24. "A very courageous strike." Why do I doubt that?
Dumbass Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. They're worse than Republicans.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:49 PM
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25. Oh wonderful, more fear. "They hate us for our freedoms"
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 05:50 PM by kayell
So if Bush takes away yet more of our freedoms in the event of an attack, does that mean that he is negotiating/cooperating/colaborting with terrorists?
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:39 PM
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32. Sheesh, I really ought to proofread occasionally
That mangled word up their is supposed to be collaborating.

:hangsheadinshame:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:26 PM
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64. Actually, I really like
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 03:26 PM by Dhalgren
the word, "colaborting". It's so W, you know? With your permission, I am going to use this word often. It's deffinition will be "to facilitate an action one is trying to prevent". Bushes best efforts (if he ever actually had any) wind up just colaborting.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:02 PM
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27. let's hope they target porta-potties then
:eyes:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:11 PM
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29. Hmmmm.............Is this another PNAC plot?
Polls are down.

Iraq is a mess.

Afghanistan a mess.

Oil riggs are not bringing in the cash.

Election is right around the corner.(even though blackbox will be safety net)

Need to accelerate their master plan....."7 islamic countries"


Looks like their own chaos strategy is knocking at their door.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:57 PM
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31. They're going to hit a Michigan football game?
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:19 AM
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50. Michigan has a football team?????
:)
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:41 PM
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33. Just in time for U.S. elections. Is Al Qaeda a member of the GOP?
So sweet for bin Laden to help Bush out!
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Design8edGrouch Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 10:07 PM
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84. Just wondering...
Which would give B*sh a bigger bounce in the popularity polls, Al Qaeda attack on America, killing 100K while B*sh is in the country or while he is on a state visit to the UK?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:03 PM
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34. Yah know...it may be me but I don't have any respect for
the concept of a frightening Allah......

Give me a peaceful and merciful God/Allah/Jehovah anytime...
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:11 PM
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59. Give me a peaceful and merciful
sense of our own humanity anytime.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:53 PM
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36. Don't We All Feel Safer With Our Nation Sidetracked in Iraq?
Well, Billy_Pilgrim, I sure feel better knowing that the entire U.S. Armed Forces are protecting us in Iraq. NOT.

There are cargo containers arriving every second to our ports without any inspection and the Bush Administration can't seem to figure out that this endangers us all.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:59 PM
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38. Our troops in Iraq are sitting ducks
more than a 100,000 of them too. They are surrounded. Sure they are spread out a little within Iraq, but nevertheless. Also I have always said when someone there realizes that Bush/Cheney 04 intend to use that force massed in Iraq to attack other mid-east countries, don't think for a minute they won't try something so devastating to a large number of that force that it would be incapable of an invasion from that point.

Time for Junior to declare victory and bring the troops home so they can get ready to help vote him out next year.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:10 PM
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39. I wonder if this is the San Fransico attack
that Jeb was talking about.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:12 PM
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40. gonna make Jeb look bad if he is on record saying something like that
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 09:13 PM by sinookas
and if it actually happened then, wouldn't you think? What did he say, where was he?
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:43 PM
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45. It was reported this week that Jeb said
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:12 AM
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48. I can't believe what a colossal putz he is.
More passive-aggressive "humor" from a Bush; nice to know it runs in the family. Fuckwit.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:48 PM
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71. you took the words right out of my mouth.
n/t
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:25 PM
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41. MEMRI is the voice of the machine,
see post #35 by NNN0LHI. MEMRI reports the most nutball, fruitcase claims it can find and acts as though they have substance. Isn't anyone else struck by the fact that we receive prior "warning" of an impending attack that is supposed to claim 100,000 American lives, and we don't hear a word (aside from early Scottish reports) about the US bombing the sh#t out of Baghdad until AFTER the fact?

On that note, as an aside, since an end to major combat operations was declared by chimpie on the Liberty, shouldn't he have had to go to Congress to get approval for what seems in essence to be the start of a second war on the same soveriegn nation?
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:21 AM
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51. Yes, well, one could always ask our Fearless Leader, of course...
...so, if it's true, what the FUCK are you and your lame-ass possee of delusional jumped-up wanna-be Ramboes going to DO about this, then?? Because somehow, knowing that all our resources are tied up on the other side of the world does *not* make me feel better. And you know, I don't feel like buying duct tape or saran wrap or teeny tiny drink paper umbrellas to protect myself from the oncoming plague or fallout or whatever the hell it is we're supposed to be frightened of. Frankly, we'd be better off if we used the pumped-out alchohol from your body as a mass disinfectant.
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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:57 PM
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62. Al Queda and Memri did warn of the Saudi attack.
Do we forget the recent Saudi attack. It was warned of in advance.
I do believe those were terrorists who did the bombing mainly because there is no evidence that former soldiers use suicide.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:10 AM
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47. Holy Sh*%.
"The interview, according to the article, took place in Iraq, south of Faluja, with five masked men carrying missiles and personal weapons surrounding al-Hijazi."

We have inadvertently armed Al-Qaida. By dismantling Iraq’s' security forces it appears as though we have allowed Al-Qaida to freely cross any border into Iraq and gain access to unguarded weapons dumps. I've seen some pictures of these dumps and there was some pretty good stuff lying out in the open and it wasn't AK's and RPG's

Jay
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 02:10 AM
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57. dingdingding
and YOU get the prize. Would you like the big stuffed Osama doll, or the big stuffed Saddam doll?

Did anyone here NOT see this one coming? I mean, really.

And I seem to recall that within two weeks prior to 9/11, some Arabic newspaper warned of "an unprecedented attack upon US interests on US soil". Of course, they went unnoticed....

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmm....."
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:28 PM
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65. I tried to sing the blues, but never heard the "Hmmmmmm....." before
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:38 PM
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67. Of Course We Saw MOST Of It.
It's kind of my stile to post from a position of feigned surprise. But I must admit I did not see were huge, unguarded stockpiles of conventional ammunition lying around for the taking. Now that major combat had restarted you would think they could spend about a week taking these sites out by air. It will be unfortunate for the Iraq's, as they will now need to spend inordinate sums of money to re-arm themselves (courtesy of the US MIC), but since we are loathe to insert more troops of our own and bridges still burn, between our friends it looks like the only solution.

BTW: I don't want either of those prizes, they are for sissies. I my Elite Force Aviator



Jay
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:37 AM
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78. Actually, they're probably the Stingers we sent them to fight the Soviets
Ain't "The enemy of our enemy is our friend" a great doctrine to live by?
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tlb Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:18 AM
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49. London Bush protestors were expected to be 100,000
according to stories a day or two ago.

Maybe the heavy security and limitations on protesotrs is a good idea after all.
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Trek234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:32 PM
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69. Doesn't make sense
Somehow killing Bush protestors doesn't seem like a very "worthy" target.

I would expect any area with a population of 100,000 or more would be a possible target. You might use a WMD in say New York city, but depending on the strength of the WMD and the conditions at the time. (i.e. how populated the area is X miles around the effected region)

Also many variables need to be taken in to account with a WMD. For example a lot of people don't realize that some types of atomic weapons do FAR less damage if they are detonated in non-ideal conditions. For example, wind patterns, a height of detonation, gravity, etc. It could potentially mean the difference of taking out a city block vs multiple city blocks. Some need to be calibrated. This could account for the "up to 100,000" number.

This of course assumes they have a WMD.
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tlb Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:44 PM
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75. I hear what you are saying but that's a "western" view.
Al Qaeda doesn't seem to worry much about how "worthy" its targets are. Consider tourists in Bali, Kenyan civilians walking by our embassies, and Red Cross and UN aid workers in Baghdad. Not many of them are "worthy" by that criteria, but they were still aimed at and murdered.

I'm making no predictions but Bush plus a large crowd of British fits the threat.
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 07:02 AM
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80. "Somehow killing Bush protestors doesn't seem like a very "worthy" target.
Unless * is the one with his finger on the trigger.


Think about that for a minute.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:31 AM
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52. It's absolutely impossible to assess the veracity of this.
Without corroboration, I'm inclined to think it's the words of a grandstanding blowhard.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 09:31 PM
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83. Sure didn't stop Faux from reporting it. n/t
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:38 AM
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53. Didn't Powell plagiarize a study done by a MEMRI associated
grad student for his UN speech?
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Starfire_Sangraal Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:31 AM
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55. Yes: MEMRI + AL QAEDA = MOSSAD n/t
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 01:55 PM
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58. Hi Starfire_Sangraal!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Starfire_Sangraal Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:13 AM
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76. Hi, Friend! Check this One Out ;)
More on disinformation:

A MUST READ!

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11-10-3 by USAF Colonel (Ret.) Sam Gardiner

"The 56-page investigation was assembled by USAF Colonel (Ret.) Sam Gardiner. "Truth from These Podia: Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management, Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations in Gulf II" identifies more than 50 stories about the Iraq war that were faked by government propaganda artists in a covert campaign to "market" the military invasion of Iraq.

Gardiner has credentials. He has taught at the National War College, the Air War College and the Naval Warfare College and was a visiting scholar at the Swedish Defense College.

According to Gardiner, "It was not bad intelligence" that lead to the quagmire in Iraq, "It was an orchestrated effort began before the war" that was designed to mislead the public and the world. Gardiner's research lead him to conclude that the US and Britain had conspired at the highest levels to plant "stories of strategic influence" that were known to be false."

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Galley_Queen Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 03:02 PM
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63. Off Subject A Little But ......
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 06:52 PM
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74. Bartcop said something early on...
...after 9/11 that stuck with me. It was something along the lines of: when you've got an opportunity for a sucker punch, you hit with your best shot on the first swing. You don't save your best stuff for the second, because the guy will have his arms up by then.

At the time this thought comforted me about the rumors that Al Q might have a nuke -- and now, it comforts me again. You don't save your best punch for an opponent who'll have his arms up.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:38 AM
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79. absolutely
and - honestly - look at the powerlines, the forests, the lakes... if we really had even a single cell of terrorists in this country they'd be having a field day. FUD works as well for Bush* as it does for Osama.
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:20 AM
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77. Meanwhile: Jeb Bush laughs about an attack on San Fransico
NICE! Feel Safer yet folks? Boy that war on Iraq really helped out didnt it? But then Jeb Bush, Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson and just about any Freeper wishes that the terorrists will attack any place with a lage group of libirals in it..They seem to cheer for the deaths of fellow americans who do not agree with thire wacko right wing ideals.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 07:13 AM
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81. Bush Taunts Terrorists With "Bring It On!"
that was just the stupidest thing a "president" could say.
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