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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:32 PM
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Powell: I'm Not Quitting
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_3490.shtml

Secretary of State Colin Powell, talking Wednesday about his 1940s predecessor George Marshall, suggested he would never resign on policy, however much he might disagree with President Bush.

In an interview with the Washington Post, released by the State Department, Powell recalled how Marshall strongly opposed President Harry Truman's decision to recognize Israel immediately after the Israelis declared independence in 1948.

When Truman overruled his advice and Marshall went back to see the State Department staff, one of his aides asked him whether, having lost the battle, he now planned to resign.

"He (Marshall) looked at them with incredulity. They didn't know the man they were dealing with. And he essentially said -- and here I am speaking off the top of my head -- 'Nobody made me president. I serve'," Powell said.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:35 PM
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1. What unadulterated blather. Powell is in absolute lock-step with the...
...Bushies. He's just playing his role in the game of good cop-bad cop.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:36 PM
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2. I believe Powell loves his position and won't quit
under any circumstances.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:36 PM
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3. Who was asking? And who gives a shit? n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:44 PM
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9. 5.5 Billion humans would not care if Powell disappeared
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:37 PM
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4. A SOS should never be a military man
and this is why.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:37 PM
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5. Why are they dusting him off now?
Peculiar.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:40 PM
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6. My guess is vice president next year n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:41 PM
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7. To mention Powell in the same sentence with George Marshall is a
sacralige. (oops. no spell check) If you want to read
about a selfless man, read about General Marshall. He
is a wonder. The greatest generation? You bet.

Get the interview book by David McCullough (?) that is
I believe is called Plain Speaking and be in awe. See
just how far our party has fallen in guts.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:46 PM
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19. Absolutely correct.
Marshall is one of the most unsung heroes of WWII. He wanted to be a Corps Commander, but FDR needed him stateside. He did an amazing job organizing the war effort.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:43 PM
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8. What's to quit
He doesn't have any authority anyway.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:44 PM
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10. another Freudian slip
"nobody MADE me president"??? Is he admitting that * wasn't ELECTED president, but that the SCOTUS made him president?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:34 PM
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17. Good catch...interesting comment.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:44 PM
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11. "I serve": He's preparing for Nürnberg...
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 06:46 PM by Dirk39
He didn't even resigned after My Lai, why should he resign now?
If he would have any kind of self-esteem or dignity, he wouldn't have been the main actor in the smear soap-opera in front of the world, when Uncle Tom "revealed" Husseins WMD's in front of the UNO. This boy could make a lot of money in the S/M porn-scene. O sorry to all SM fans, I didn't want to offend any of you in any way:-)
Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:36 PM
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22. Good reply. eom
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:16 PM
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12. I believe that history will look kindly on Powell
even though he has gone along with Bush*. Imagine what things would have been like had he quit! I don't have the stregth to let someone assail my character as Powell has, and he won't live it down among his contemporaries. But, when everyone alive now is gone, they will say he was a true American patriot for staying in the battle against all odds.

I still can't fathom that he believes half of the things he says.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:32 PM
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16. Two words: My Lai. Here's a link...
Colin Powell's Vietnam Fog
By David Corn
<http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010514&s=corn20010502>

Excerpt...

"Powell has never been implicated in any of the wrongdoing involving My Lai. No evidence ties him to the attempted cover-up. But he was part of an institution (and a division) that tried hard to keep the story of My Lai hidden--a point unacknowledged in his autobiography. Moreover, several months before he was interviewed by Sheehan, Powell was ordered to look into allegations made by another former GI that US troops had "without provocation or justification" killed civilians. (These charges did not mention My Lai specifically.) Powell mounted a most cursory examination. He did not ask the accuser for more specific information. He interviewed a few officers and reported to his superiors that there was nothing to the allegations . This exercise is not mentioned in his memoirs."

Corn is too kind concerning the actions of Powell in regards to My Lai. There are other incidents in his career that cry out for closer examination such as his role in Iran-Contra, Desert Storm Syndrome, and his willingness to go along with the NeoCon version of WMDs in Iraq despite the UN's and CIA's claims to the contrary. Here's an excellent place to start reading:

The Consortium Archive: Colin Powell's Legend
<http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin.html>

Here's a list of links found at this site (you'll have to go to the site itself to be able to access the links):

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: A Warning -- Gen. Colin Powell's career as a military bureaucrat often has been viewed through rose-colored glasses rather than a clear eye. But critics, including some who served in Vietnam, feel Powell may have carried the wrong lessons out of the bloody jungles. (6-24-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Lesson's from Vietnam -- Powell's service in Vietnam distinguished him as a "water-walker." But what were the hard lessons of war he learned in the Vietnam jungles? (7-8-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: My Lai -- When American specialist fourth class Tom Glen accused American soldiers in the Americal division of routine brutality against Vietnamese civilians, Maj. Powell undertook the assignment to review Glen's complaints. Powell's report derided Glen's charges and showed Powell to be the consummate team player. (7-22-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Pentagon-Man -- The middle years of Powell's military career were a time for networking and advancement. Here, Powell learned that a military bureaucrat succeeds best by sidestepping controversy and keeping quiet when superiors screw up. (8-5-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Back to the Future -- When Colin Powell returned to Washington in the early '80s, he returned to the terrain he knew best--a professional home he often called "Ground Zero." On the fast track to success, Powell became deeply entangled in Reagan/Casey war-games. (8-19-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Iran-Contra Amnesia -- In 1984-85, Colin Powell was the "filter" for information flowing to Defense Secretary Casper Weinburger. But what kind of information flowed through the "filter?" (9-2-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Arms to Iran -- Would the disastrous Iran-contra scandal have happened without Colin Powell's work as Defense Secretary Casper Weinburger's "filter?" (9-16-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Saving Reagan -- Just as Colin Powell played an important behind-the-scenes role in missile shipments to Iran, he would be equally instrumental in the next phase, the scandal's cover-up in 1987-88. (9-30-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Panama War -- Going by the "Powell Doctrine" that "it is better to win than to loose," Powell shows his stuff in Panama. (10-14-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Arms to Iraq? -- Newly declassified documents suggest that Powell was a player in the secret U.S. policy to supply Saddam Hussein with military equipment. (11-11-96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: Dodging Peace -- Powell played a key role in ensuring a ground war pitting American troops against an Iraqi enemy trying to surrender. (11/25/96)

Behind Colin Powell's Legend: The Media Icon -- Though the media has unanimously embraced him, Colin Powell's record deserves further review. (12/9/96)


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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:16 PM
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20. I'm not so sure
If Powell had resigned due to his opposition to the invasion and gone public on it, perhaps he could have swayed public oppinion against it. If he stayed on so that he could continue to use his influence on the administration and the world , he has appeared to have little on either. My feeling is he stayed on to keep his credentials with the Republican party , which he will lose anyway if **** gets thrown out of office with a dissaster in Iraq.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:20 PM
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13. Good one, Colin!
Pretending like you actually have principles and follow a policy other than "me, wonderful me." Pretty funny from a house n-word, pretending that massah George lets him stand up on his hind legs from time to time, when we all know that prone is Powell's favored position.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:22 PM
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14. I take this to mean he is a short timer
One thing has been quite apparent to me is that what ever they say you can expect the exact opposite to be true.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:22 PM
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15. Generalissimo Powell is still alive.
And a laugh.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 07:37 PM
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18. Powell has no creditability, so why should we believe anything he sez?
And who indeed cares whether he stays or leaves.

Colin Powell is dead in the water.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 09:19 PM
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21. "I serve at the pleasure of my president"
I heard him say this a few months ago during an interview.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:19 AM
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23. Powell's no Marshall
not even fit to serve in the same Army
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 12:24 AM
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24. Once again, my inclination is to remove the "not" from the message...
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 12:26 AM by belle
Translation: "I'll be leaving any day now."
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