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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:23 PM
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Could Women Get Paid Not To Get Pregnant?
High-risk women living in Belmont County, Ohio, could have a new source of income, television station WTOV reported.

The Belmont County Department of Job and Family Services is looking into the possibility of paying women not to get pregnant, according to Director Dwayne Pielech.

"Something has to be done, because I don't think people realize that every time we take a child in that it costs taxpayers an enormous amount of money," Pielech said.

Last month, BCJFS took in 12 abused and neglected kids over an eight-day period. Pielech said it costs somewhere between $3,500 and $9,000 to care for each child every month. He said it could be more cost-effective to give high-risk women an incentive to practice safe sex.

http://www.newsnet5.com/family/8208509/detail.html
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:31 PM
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1. Why not just pass a law like they did in China..it would be cheaper EOM
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:32 PM
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2. This should be good....
The neocon nuts are going to come out against this....they don't take into account all of the children in Family Services..

Remember the case a couple of years ago where they wanted to sterlize a woman from not having more babies...she was on welfare and on drugs....

There was a huge uproar....

I don't see anything wrong with it...I think they should give the high-risk women an option state paid tie the tubes operation if they have more than two kids....
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 05:17 PM
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14. Agreed!
There are way too many unwanted children in foster care
that the ignorant:dunce: Fundies want nothing to do with.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:32 PM
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3. S.D didn't think so.
When are people going to wake up to the fact that, it's much cheaper to give out free birth control pills.










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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:32 PM
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4. Not if the fundies have anything to do with it!
Ban abortion, birth control.... ban sex!!!!!!!!! (Unless you're a male - or married to one -- then, things are just well, different.)
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willows Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:35 PM
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5. Services and China
Edited on Thu Mar-23-06 01:40 PM by willows
I wonder if something like that could even be effieciently passed.
Mainly because the current Administration and conservative followers are anti-abortion AND anti- family planning/birth control methods.

It's obvious in that there are some states with only one clinic where abortion can even be offered (one day a week, and by doctors flown in from other states), that there is no public assistance for.
More and more states are passing laws where abortion is still illegal in cases of incest or rape.
And funding is being cut for state funding, public funded family planning, and less money/no money for birth control options.

If a household is already doing badly, how are they going to afford birthcontrol (assuming limited health insurance, medical coverage) when they can no longer recieve it free from 'free health clinics'?
Sure, it's an option that still many people do not take advantage of, but then again what of those people who do utilize their services?

I believe that the eradication of free/low cost birthcontrol, and family planning services will just lead to more 'unplanned pregnancies'.

The uncomfortable thing is that in some cases the woman is not allowed to practice safe sex, neither partner knows about it, sex is so stigmatized that sex alone is felt to be criminal, let alone then going further to use protection (if this is a religiously geared moral issue).


-- Ah, edit.
I forgot to mention China. There they have incentives, like death of female children (it's a one child only policy). It's sad that when people start fearing overpopulation, they look at China, become more afraid, then when they are told about the population control they feel more relieved. More people should start thinking about how horrible (from many points of view) China's Human Rights policy is.
Here is an excerpt from http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sdc/hr_facts.html:

Violations Resulting from Family Planning Policy: The Chinese Constitution mandates the duty of couples to practice family planning. Since 1979, the central government has attempted to implement a family planning policy in China and Tibet that the government states is "intended to control population quantity and improve its quality." Central to this initiative is the "one child per couple" policy. Central authorities have verbally condemned the use of physical force in implementing the one-child policy; however, its implementation is left to local laws and regulations.

To enforce compliance, local authorities employ incentives such as medical, educational and housing benefits, and punishments including fines, confiscation of property, salary cuts or even dismissal. Officials also may refuse to issue residence cards to "out of plan" children, thereby denying them education and other state benefits.

Methods employed to ensure compliance have also included the forced use of contraceptives, primarily the I.U.D., and forced abortion for pregnant women who already have one child. In Zheijang Province, for example, the family planning ordinance states that "fertile couples must use reliable birth control according to the provisions. In case of pregnancies in default of the plan, measures must be taken to terminate them." As an official "minority", Tibetans are legally allowed to have more than one child. However, there have been reports of forced abortions and sterilizations of Tibetan women who have had only one child. There are also reports of widespread sterilization of certain categories of women, including those suffering from mental illness, retardation and communicable or hereditary diseases. Under previous local regulations superseded by the 1994 Maternal and Infant Health Care Law, such sterilization was mandatory in certain provinces. Under the new law, certain categories of people still may be prevented from bearing children.

Violations Against Female Children: The one-child policy, in conjunction with the traditional preference for male children, has led to a resurgence of practices like female infanticide, concealment of female births and abandonment of female infants. Female children whose births are not registered do not have any legal existence and therefore may have difficulty going to school or receiving medical care or other state services. The overwhelming majority of children in orphanages are female and/or mentally or physically handicapped.

The one-child policy has also contributed to the practice of prenatal sex identification resulting in the abortion of female fetuses. Although the government has outlawed the use of ultrasound machines for this purpose, physicians continue the practice, especially in rural areas. Thus, while the average worldwide ratio of male to female newborns is 105/100, Chinese government statistics show that the ratio in the PRC is 114/100 and may be higher in some areas. "


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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:46 PM
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6. How will the money flow?
Federal returns grant a child deduction allowing families with dependants to keep more of their money.
Local officials grant money to childless women.

Any more to add?

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:58 PM
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7. Why don't they just provide free birth control?
I guess that'd be too easy.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:59 PM
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8. Someone tried that
a few years back - paying drug addicts to get the implants - and she was nearly prosecuted I think. I know she was slapped down for doing it.

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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 02:04 PM
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9. Project Prevention
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 02:23 PM
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10. Farmers get paid not to grow crops.....
why not...
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 03:58 PM
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11. How about us guys who have vasectomies? They gonna pay us?
There are perhaps hundreds, maybe even thousands of children I haven't fathered. This like I won the lottery!!:bounce:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 03:59 PM
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12. $3500 a month I could live nicely. What are they factoring in to spend
the 9,000 on are they buying these kids satin sheets.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 08:30 PM
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15. as foster kids
there are monthly stipends and biannual clothing allowances. Usually they also qualify for Medicaid and/or other County Health services.

Also - to include, but not limited to, the following:

Social Workers: 1 for the kid, 1 for the birth parent, 1 for the foster parent.
Therapist(s)
Transporation to and from therapy and visitation.
Supervised visitations
Guardian ad litem
Attorneys
Other services as needed - including other therapeutic - mental and educational or health services.

It adds up.

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 04:34 PM
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13. Take THAT You Fundies!
:rofl:
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