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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:22 PM
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Bush blames Iraq's instability on Hussein
I didn't do it!



Bush said that Saddam was a tyrant and used violence to exacerbate sectarian divisions to keep himself in power, and that as a result, deep tensions persist to this day.

"The enemies of a free Iraq are employing the same tactics Saddam used, killing and terrorizing the Iraqi people in an effort to foment sectarian division," Bush said.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid accused Bush of sending "mixed messages" on Iraq that are hurting Iraq's chances for success.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/29/bush.iraq.ap/index.html
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:25 PM
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1. So much for accountability from his adminstration
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:30 PM
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7. This had Nothing to do with it ?


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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 03:31 PM
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10. no, that's just the "bad news" media's fault
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 03:32 PM by central scrutinizer
The liberal MSM staged those photos to undermine the troops and express their hatred of America.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:03 PM
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18. So it's the media's fault or Saddam's fault? I'm confused... n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 04:14 PM
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14. Not as much as the on-again/off-again love affair of the US w/Shia militia
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:26 PM
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2. Finally Bush owns up to his errors!
"The enemies of a free Iraq are employing the same tactics Saddam used, killing and terrorizing the Iraqi people in an effort to foment sectarian division," Bush said.

The first step is to admit your wrongdoing. Good show George, there is still hope for you. Now if you would just stop employing the same tactics Saddam used, killing and terrorizing the Iraqi people in an effort to foment sectarian division, perhaps the situation would improve.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:26 PM
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25. Exactly! Once again, he says what he means!
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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:26 PM
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3. Um, one problem with that assertion
Iraq wasn't in a freaking civil war with bombings and murders happening every day when Saddam was running his country. People were able to drive the streets freely without worrying about IEDs. The things that come out Bush's mouth are unbelievably laughable.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:26 PM
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4. Wow. Second time I've agreed with *. Assuming the enemies of Iraq
is the USA.

Otherwise - what a nit wit. Amazing he hasn't blamed it on Clinton.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:27 PM
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5. Iraq was incredibly stable under Hussein in 2000
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 02:28 PM by BOSSHOG
Not arguing the merits of his leadership, but pointing out just another bush lie. And this lie (line) will be repeated by "christians" in this country from coast to coast so the slaughter will continue and be justified in their hate mongering minds.

And since bush is a republican there is no way in hell he will take responsibility for anything.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:30 PM
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6. That's right Saddam is the one that created the sectarian
divisions that occurred hundreds of years before he was born....* is so stupid....

Yea and America inserting itself in a Sovereign country and mismanaging the effort from the get go has nothing to do with the escalating violence....* is so stupid!!!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:32 PM
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8. Excuse me, but are the 'enemies of a free Iraq' the same people who
are being 'marched on' by democracy? Are they al-Qaeda? Are they insurgents? Who the hell are we fighting/rooting for/putting in power? I'm so confused by the endless stream of incoherent crap that comes out of GW, I could scream!
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 02:44 PM
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9. Uh, ok, better put Sadaam back to where he left off.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 03:54 PM
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11. Gee, George, we warned you about whacking that hornet's nest
Now that you've been stung a few times, you're suddenly an expert on why hornets are so aggressive? Idiot.

We told you three years ago that taking Saddam out was a bad idea, especially if you didn't have any plan for dealing with Iraq once Saddam was no longer in power. And you didn't. Blaming the man who is no longer there for the mess you made seems . . . well, rather childish. I don't think I'd accept this kind of an excuse from my 5-year-old grandson; I sure as hell don't accept it from you.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 03:55 PM
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12. Sort of like blaming HIS problems on Bill Clinton...
doesn't matter how long they've been out of office.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 06:29 PM
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23. EXACTLY.
Thank God the "adults are in charge". :sarcasm:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 04:14 PM
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13. That's right blame it someone else George!
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 04:19 PM
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15. BUSH ADMITS TOTAL INCOMPETENCE n/t
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 04:23 PM
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16. He obviously hasn't read Riverbend's Blog
The real fear is the mentality of so many people lately- the rift that seems to have worked it’s way through the very heart of the country, dividing people. It’s disheartening to talk to acquaintances- sophisticated, civilized people- and hear how Sunnis are like this, and Shia are like that… To watch people pick up their things to move to “Sunni neighborhoods” or “Shia neighborhoods”. How did this happen?

I read constantly analyses mostly written by foreigners or Iraqis who’ve been abroad for decades talking about how there was always a divide between Sunnis and Shia in Iraq (which, ironically, only becomes apparent when you're not actually living amongst Iraqis they claim)… but how under a dictator, nobody saw it or nobody wanted to see it. That is simply not true- if there was a divide, it was between the fanatics on both ends. The extreme Shia and extreme Sunnis. Most people simply didn’t go around making friends or socializing with neighbors based on their sect. People didn't care- you could ask that question, but everyone would look at you like you were silly and rude.

I remember as a child, during a visit, I was playing outside with one of the neighbors children. Amal was exactly my age- we were even born in the same month, only three days apart. We were laughing at a silly joke and suddenly she turned and asked coyly, “Are you Sanafir or Shanakil?” I stood there, puzzled. ‘Sanafir’ is the Arabic word for “Smurfs” and ‘Shanakil” is the Arabic word for “Snorks”. I didn’t understand why she was asking me if I was a Smurf or a Snork. Apparently, it was an indirect way to ask whether I was Sunni (Sanafir) or Shia (Shanakil).

“What???” I asked, half smiling. She laughed and asked me whether I prayed with my hands to my sides or folded against my stomach. I shrugged, not very interested and a little bit ashamed to admit that I still didn’t really know how to pray properly, at the tender age of 10.
Later that evening, I sat at my aunt’s house and remember to ask my mother whether we were Smurfs or Snorks. She gave me the same blank look I had given Amal. “Mama- do we pray like THIS or like THIS?!” I got up and did both prayer positions. My mother’s eyes cleared and she shook her head and rolled her eyes at my aunt, “Why are you asking? Who wants to know?” I explained how Amal, our Shanakil neighbor, had asked me earlier that day. “Well tell Amal we’re not Shanakil and we’re not Sanafir- we’re Muslims- there’s no difference.”

It was years later before I learned that half the family were Sanafir, and the other half were Shanakil, but nobody cared. We didn’t sit around during family reunions or family dinners and argue Sunni Islam or Shia Islam. The family didn’t care about how this cousin prayed with his hands at his side and that one prayed with her hands folded across her stomach. Many Iraqis of my generation have that attitude. We were brought up to believe that people who discriminated in any way- positively or negatively- based on sect or ethnicity were backward, uneducated and uncivilized.


http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/


George Bush is the lyingist mofo in the goddamned universe.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 06:22 PM
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22. Reminds me of the Star Trek episode.
Black on right side, white on left vs. the reverse.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 04:40 PM
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17. erm...
"The enemies of a free Iraq are employing the same tactics Saddam used, killing and terrorizing the Iraqi people in an effort to foment sectarian division," is an exact description of what the occupiers are doing.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:49 PM
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19. Wow, he didn't blame Clinton for this...
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 05:55 PM
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20. The insurgents hated Saddam
Both Sunni and Shia radicals were oppressed under his secular totalitarian rule. The Iraqi people have gone from being ruled under a Stalin type, to being ruled by theocrats.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 06:00 PM
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21. Clue bus to Bush - the 'enemy' are the Iraqi people!
What a motard! It's not gonna work you untrained chimp! STFU already!
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:22 PM
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24. Get on down
"I want the Iraqi people to hear I've got great confidence in their capacity to self govern," Bush said. "I also want the Iraqi people to hear -- it's about time you get a unity government going. In other words, Americans understand you're newcomers to the political arena. But pretty soon its time to shut her down and get governing."

What. The. F*ck??!!

Truly insane. Saddam's fault AND the Iraqi's fault for not "getting their government going."

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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 07:33 PM
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26. Why is this nutcase still president? Seriously,he is in need of some
major mental health therapy,is insane,and is totally living in a fantasy world.

Killing tens of thousands of civilians,torturing war prisoners and destroying artifacts,buildings and Iraqi homes has led to chaos. Has this man,even now,no shame?
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:41 PM
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27. Saddam free=Iraq stable. Saddam in prison=Iraq unstable (almost
civil war). How does Bush make such a statement?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:53 PM
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28. Harry Reid is dead wrong about Bush!
Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid accused Bush of sending "mixed messages" on Iraq that are hurting Iraq's chances for success.

Bush is sending psychotic messages about Iraq and showing the entire world that he lives in an alternate reality. Members of Congress will be well-served by researching declaring Bush mentally unfit and removing him from office.

Amendment XXV
Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxxv.html
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:56 PM
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29. Bush blames Iraq violence on Saddam's divisive 'legacy'
You gotta love this spin. The violence and the Iraqi civil war is all Saddam's fault. The invasion had nothing to do with it.

Bush blames Iraq violence on Saddam's divisive 'legacy'

President George W. Bush said former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's brutal divisive legacy, rather than the US-led invasion, was to blame for Iraq's current sectarian violence.

Bush also urged Iraqi leaders to wrap up negotiations to form a national unity government. He said democracy was the "only practical way to overcome the divisions of three decades of tyranny."

"Today, some Americans ask whether removing Saddam caused the divisions and instability we're now seeing," he told Freedom House, a pro-democracy group, at a Washington hotel.

"In fact, most of the animosity and violence we now see is the legacy of Saddam Hussein. He was a tyrant who exacerbated sectarian divisions to keep himself in power," he said.


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:56 PM
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30. I guess blaming Clinton is all wore out.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:56 PM
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31. Oops. Dupe. Sorry.
:blush:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:56 PM
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32. typical
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:56 PM
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33. pot calls kettle, black.
bush calls saddam, divisive.
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:56 PM
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34. "exacerbated...divisions to keep himself in power"
Stand back...my head is going to explode.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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35. Bush said "exacerbated?" On the first try? My head would
really explode if that were true.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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36. Who, Mr. Bush, were the ones supporting Saddam's brutal divisiveness?
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 09:30 PM by Theduckno2
This is where I should post the video frame of Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam.

See excellent link posted below by 54anickel, includes links to video. Thanks 54anickel! :hi:


I'm off to find a link, although if anyone has the link, please post and save me the dialup trouble.

I am so sick of this nitwit and his whiny excuses.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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38. Here's one
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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43. Thank you. n/t
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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37. What a dork!
It's all good in bushworld.
:argh:
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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39. I've heard it all now.......
this man is hopeless.......
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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40. There's an old saying in TN—I know it's in TX, probably in TN...
You can take Saddam out of---out of Baghdad, but you can't...you can't invade again.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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41. Worthy of a toast !
:toast:
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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42. I thought it was the terroist. Thats who he keeps talking about.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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44. Funny! We always tent to blame the last dictator whilst we loose
fight against locals...Viatman comes to mind.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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45. Duh. What was once the excuse to invade is now the excuse for failure.
Yeah, we remember that Saddam sexassterbated the ethnic differences. It was one of the excuses to invade you gave, remember? Saddam gassing his own people? That's why there were no fly zones and a support of a Kurdish independence.

But all those sectarian divsions were going to be CURED by our invasion.

Noow, you act as if you just discovered them. "Hey, Saddam fucked his country up and made me put a hundred thou Ameircans right in the middle of a potential civil war! All HIS fault!"
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Zapatero Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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46. Wow
n/t
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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47. "The invasion had nothing to do with it."
Not to mention, 2000 or so years of sectarian and tribal conflict..
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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48. rotflmao!!! BEST "buck stops over there" yet from the MFer!
Too funny! :rofl:

It isn't the torture and rape and murder...it's the PHOTOS of the torture and rape and murder!

It isn't the bad news...it's the news reporters reporting on the bad news!

It isn't the illegal war of aggression and killing people's kids and letting loose the militias Hussin had under tight control...it's Hussein!

And if people weren't dead & dying, this would be the funniest shit EVER.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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49. "Today, some Americans ask ..." there he goes AGAIN with his own
straw man! :eyes:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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50. junior hasn't a clue of what's going on.
He has blamed everything from "Old Europe" to Bill Clinton and now he's back to square one and still can't figure out what went wrong.

Iraq was gonna be so easy!
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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51. Like the Soviets in the Balkans
Saddam was the only thing keeping a lid on the sectarian violence. Take away the lid, and it all boils over.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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52. edit. somebody already mentioned they were surprised he said exacerbated.
Edited on Wed Mar-29-06 11:11 PM by SlavesandBulldozers
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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53. Surely it can still be Clinton's fault too, right?
I mean, there's always room for some of that Clenis action, right?
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 11:57 PM
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54. If * now says,
...The base cause of the insurgency is indeed the actions Hussein's former regime, he would have known what he was getting ourselves into before we invaded.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:08 AM
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55. hmm
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 12:08 AM by Tiggeroshii
"The enemies of a free Iraq are employing the same tactics Saddam used, killing and terrorizing the Iraqi people in an effort to foment sectarian division," Bush said.

Does he mean him?

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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:12 AM
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56. He's finally flipped.
Anytime a guy like him lies and lies to avoid responsibility, he ends up going mad.
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Bushies gotta go Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 12:30 AM
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57. Wasn't it Bushco who coined the phrase:
Lets not play the blame game? That was what, circa 2001/2002....?
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Ashamed_American Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:46 AM
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60. Bushies gotta go,
yeah they pulled the "blame game" phrase out of their ass once it was convenient. Similar to "not gonna pre-judge" once Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald started naming names.


www.BlackEyedSundays.com
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 01:29 AM
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58. This man bush is delusional....
A person with delusional disorder can be quite functional and does not tend to show any odd or bizarre behaviour except as a direct result of the delusional belief.

Delusional disorder may typically be one of the following types:

Grandiose Type: delusion of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity, or special relationship to a deity or famous person ( bush blieves that he and him alone has heard the voice of G-d and that G-d told him to attack Iraq and that G-d choose him to be president)

Erotomanic Type: delusion that another person, usually of higher status, is in love with the individual. ( bush believes that G-d loves him and only him and he was placed in this position as president)


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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 08:35 AM
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59. bush admits that Hussein more powerful that W even from a jail cell
repugs the party of responsibility.
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