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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:01 PM
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Florida Governor Bush warns of levee failure (Lake Okeechobee)
Edited on Wed May-03-06 11:07 PM by seafan

Michael Chertoff, U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary, left, speaks at a news conference as Gov. Jeb Bush, right, looks on in Tallahassee. Chertoff was in Florida to discuss ongoing preparations for the 2006 hurricane season.
(AP/Phil Coale)
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GREG LOVETT/AP FILE
DANGER: Engineering experts are worried that the dike that keeps Lake Okeechobee from overflowing has a high chance of failing.
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Florida governor warns of levee failure

May 3, 2006

TALLAHASSEE, Fla., May 3 (UPI) -- Florida's governor is urging major work be done on the levee surrounding Lake Okeechobee after a report warned of a possible catastrophe.

Gov. Jeb Bush called on the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to spend the weeks heading into the hurricane season to repair and revamp the levee, the Miami Herald reports.

But Corps engineers said the report was a mix of worst-case scenarios that didn't reveal anything new.
The Corps maintains the lake is far below acceptable water levels and isn't unsafe barring extreme weather scenarios.

The report, which Bush authorized, warns a break in the levee could release Okeechobee's waters onto entire south Florida, causing drinking water contamination and destroying parts of the Everglades along with possible injury or death.

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Experts call levee 'danger' to S. Fla.

BY CURTIS MORGAN
May 3, 2006


The aging, leaky levee surrounding Lake Okeechobee looms as an ''imminent and grave danger'' not only to 40,000 people who live along its southern rim, but to all of South Florida, according to an engineering report released Tuesday by Gov. Jeb Bush's office.
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Bush found the analysis, produced by three experts hired by the state, troubling enough to call for immediate federal action to shore up the dike in the weeks remaining before the start of this year's hurricane season.

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But they (corps managers) also stressed the review echoed their own previous studies -- although it did so in more alarming language -- and insisted the 70-year-old, 140-mile-long dike remains sound and safe going into this hurricane season.
''There is no big revelation in this report,'' said Steve Duba, chief of the engineering division for the Corps' Jacksonville district.

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In fact, because water levels are so low, Corps managers said, the levee and lake are in better shape than when Hurricane Katrina carved a 220-foot-long, 40-foot-deep hunk out of the dike near the Pahokee Airport last year.
High water, which can create internal erosion, is the biggest concern for the levee, he said. The lake's level on Tuesday was 13.41 feet above sea level -- below a 14-foot target the Corps had set for May 1 and far from an 18-foot mark that spawned an outbreak of ''near-failure'' leaks in 1995.

''I feel pretty good about that, better than I have the last few years,'' Duba said.

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Corps managers don't dismiss the worst-case scenarios but argued the threat is diminished when the lake level is below 18.5 feet. The report, they said, amped up both the fear- and risk-factors for the public -- mainly by using ``alarmist terminology.''

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Report warns that Lake Okeechobee dike could break open during hurricane

By Marc Freeman
May 3, 2006


With hurricane season approaching, Gov. Jeb Bush on Tuesday urged an immediate federal response to a report warning that the dike surrounding Lake Okeechobee is in extreme danger of failing and devastating South Florida's environment, economy and quality of life.
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"There are serious problems with the dike," Bush said.
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The grim outlook for the Herbert Hoover Dike is the focus of a report by engineering consultants for the South Florida Water Management District.

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Bush's words practically echoed those in the 78-page report, which concludes the dike "poses a grave and imminent danger to the people and the environment of South Florida. ... The basic problem is simple. Certain geologic formations that underlie the dike, and portions of the material that comprise it, bear a striking resemblance to Swiss cheese."

While agreeing the report deserves serious attention, Army Corps officials said Tuesday that the dike is secure and a safety program is in place to protect the public.
"There are no big revelations in the report," said Steve Duba, the Army Corps' chief of engineering based in Jacksonville. "It's pretty tough to surprise us in a big way."

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At a news conference Tuesday, a team of Army Corps officials said the report fails to include an analysis showing why the repairs under way are insufficient.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:05 PM
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1. "Pretty tough to surprise us in a big way"
Yeah, ask the 1,300 dead in Katrina.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:08 AM
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14. But apparently the city's learned.
The evacuation plan now calls for use of mass transportation to get people out; instead of housing them in the Superdome, it's the rallying point. It's the plan they should have had a decade ago.

The old evacuation plan for NOLA was "we'll tell everybody to get out, that'll work ... oh ... you say that'll leave 20%--the poorest part--of the population? whoa ... hey, lunch is here! ... adjourned for lunch, we'll deal with the few remaining details next year, same time same menu ... say, Joe, you using that hot sauce? ... pass it here."
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:18 PM
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2. In the early 1900's THOUSANDS of people died when lake Okeechobee
was pushed south by a hurricane. Most of the people were black and the bodies were so numerous, no one knows how many really died. Knowing this, I was very concerned about NO before Katrina since it also has a large lake. Unlike the ocean, lakes have a large surface area and no convection to balance out a hurricane's wind.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:37 AM
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5. I hadn't realized this jsamuel and appreciate that info...
I must admit a very negative kneejerk reaction, simply from the fact that Jeb was the one bringing up the issue.... I certainly wish no harm to Floridians, but it is hard to not become truly cynical when you see what the Bushies* did NOT do for Louisiana, against a background of pandering to lower (and lowest) level priorities for political purposes.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:11 AM
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16. I thought I had read that
the feds wouldn't help the levees in California, either..the ones that arnie was asking help for?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:02 AM
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8. I was thinking this when I heard about the Lake's levees
Lots of poor whites and blacks died during the lake Okeechobee debacle... it would be worse today, since the population is so much higher than it was then.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:21 PM
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19. well, maybe not worse, we know when they are coming (at least kinda) now
They had no idea and no way to leave then. I think most people who live there now have cars since it is a very rural area. Although, it is getting less rural by the day.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 11:22 PM
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3. what's TV's Frank doing behind Yautja Chertoff?
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:52 AM
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7. That's not Chertoff, it's Doctor F!
mikey_the_rat
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 07:13 AM
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9. That guy
just exudes evil and one of the ugliest mo fos I have ever seen. :puke:
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 08:56 AM
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12. Separated at birth?




mikey_the_rat
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 07:10 PM
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30. Thats for
the laugh, they DO look alike.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:13 AM
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17. Central type
casting..he sure looks the part. When I first saw him I had to look twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:27 PM
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20. He looks like Satan, rather the way Satan is usually depicted. nt
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 02:57 AM
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4. Dupe post
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 06:48 AM
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6. Wow. Excellent post, seafan.
That photo of the levee just shows how huge Okeechobee is and how imperiled the homes nearby are.

:thumbsup:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 08:11 AM
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10. My brother is a Florida transplant...
He likes to come back to New Hampshire to complain about the weather here, and just about everything else. In retaliation, I mispronounce alot of Florida cities and some of the natural wonders. I call Lake Okeechobee "Lake Okey-Dokey". It really pisses him off.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 08:21 AM
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11. Let them collapse, in fact tear them down!
First get everyone out, and remove them. Building those levies to dry out and build sugar cane fields has been the major reason the Everglades are dying. Environmentally those levies are a disaster.

I don't understand how they can say "danger to the people and the environment of South Florida". Seems like the environment was doing pretty darn good before the levies.

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 09:55 AM
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13. Several things strike me about this story:
1. The timing.

It is now less than 30 days from the start of hurricane season of June 1- November 30.



2. The alarmist language.

"There are serious problems with the dike," Bush said. "If a hurricane were to hit, there'd be a one-in-six chance of a breach..."

The review noted ''significant stress'' in multiple areas and ''narrow escapes'' from failure during either high water events or hurricanes in 1995, 1998, 2003, 2004 and last year, and suggested the levee could be deteriorating.

"It needs to be fixed now, and it needs to be fixed right," the engineers wrote in their conclusion to an 82-page report. "The region's future depends on it."

He(Bush)said he also was pushing for a quick solution to fortify the 140-mile length of the dike and has dispatched his own disaster-preparedness chief to further update communities around the lake on the situation.
"Craig Fugate will be going down to the Glades area to talk about evacuation procedures," Bush said. "They all have to be modified."




3. What the Corps of Engineers says

The Corps says hold on, Jeb. Corps managers don't dismiss the worst-case scenarios but argued the threat is diminished when the lake level is below 18.5 feet. (Lake level was 13.41 ft yesterday.) The report, they said, amped up both the fear- and risk-factors for the public -- mainly by using ``alarmist terminology.''

The Corps said it already has completed damage repairs from last year, stockpiled 65,000 tons of rock for emergency work and begun efforts to strengthen 4.6 miles of the dike south of Port Mayaca and 7.3 miles north of Belle Glade.




4. What the people who live and work around Lake Okeechobee are saying,

However, residents of the area and some of the engineers who handle the Hoover dike on a full-time basis said the issue has been around for at least 20 years.

"The bottom line is that's why the Everglades restoration is important, and that's why dike maintenance is important, as is a reasonable approach to water levels," said Jim Sheehan, whose Everglades Adventures resort in Pahokee is only a few feet from the Lake Okeechobee dike in Palm Beach County. "We live with it, so we understand it."




5. This urgent push by Jeb is quite similar to his intense push of bird flu scenarios two months ago.



My opinion:

Jeb really doesn't have any credibility about anything now. All he knows how to do is threaten people.

His legislators, his own party, the opposition party, Florida's people, our kids, our environment, our ability to raise our families and educate our children, our ability to acquire and afford medical care, the treatment of troubled kids in our juvenile justice system, our ability to find affordable housing, our ability to assert our rights in a court of law or to find a competent physician and hospital when we need it. He even threatens our ability to find lost children in his failing Department of Children and Families.

Florida is very, very tired of his threats.





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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:09 AM
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15. that dike pic. is not the worst problem, it's the dikes around the S and

SW sides.

I've sailed from Gulf of Mex., through Lake Okeechobee on out the other side to the intercoastal waterway. (a beautiful sail)

and I have driven past the lake and it's dikes and thought to myself that not in a million yrs. would I live there.

it's destruction waiting to happen.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 10:23 AM
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18. Here is a good graphic of the lake/dike and the ongoing work:

From here
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:30 PM
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21. thanks for this - heavy, long term rain won't do it any favors either
nt
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 12:35 PM
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22. One more reason, to flip California off
"We raised the money, but it had to go to Fla"
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-04-06 04:49 PM
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23. Miami Herald: Levee official says dike around lake is safe
Levee official says dike around lake is safe

BY PHIL LONG
May 4, 2006


CLEWISTON - Though he agrees the dike around Lake Okeechobee needs upgrading, the man in charge of the day-to-day operations of the levee around Lake Okeechobee said Thursday he has confidence in its stability.

But a report from an independent engineering group released earlier this week suggested there was a 50-50 chance of at least one breach of the Herbert Hoover Dike in the next four years.

The report called the dike an imminent and grave danger.

Nothing in this report was new to me, said Steve Sullivan, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' operations manager at the dike, though he did not disagree that long-term improvements are necessary.
I have a very high confidence in the levee, very high confidence, he said during a press conference at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' Clewiston office, because I have a high confidence in how we manage the water levels, how we provide surveillance.

Keeping the lake's water level low, especially during a hurricane, is key, he said. Doing that both reduces day-to-day pressure on the dike and any impacts from storm surge and wind-whipped waves during hurricanes.

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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14501617.htm


Jeb needs a vacation.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 08:51 AM
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24. Update
Army Corps officials downplay dangers from dike problems at Lake Okeechobee

By Amie Parnes
Posted May 10 2006


WASHINGTON · Army Corps of Engineers officials met with South Florida U.S. Reps. Mark Foley and Alcee Hastings on Tuesday to discuss concerns about the potential for disaster from the aging dike that surrounds Lake Okeechobee.

The meeting came on the heels of an 82-page report predicting widespread flooding throughout South Florida should a major hurricane strike the lake and damage the dike.

Both Foley, R-Fort Pierce, and Hastings, D-Miramar, found it troubling that many of their constituents would be in "grave and imminent danger" should the lake water overrun the dike, as the report warned.
"The report sounded like a Steven Spielberg movie," Foley said. "It kept using words like `ominous' and `danger.' That worried me."

Even though he is still "concerned" about the potential of a major flood, Foley said after the hourlong meeting that Army Corps officials eased his worries.
"I'm a little more comfortable," Foley said. "I am comforted by the fact that the Corps' engineers are comfortable with the system they have in place."

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Jeb needs a Goody's Headache Powder.

What with Katherine Harris running for Senate, Jeb's school vouchers and class-size experiments crashing down in flames, this fear mongering is all he has left.












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ekelmore Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 09:36 AM
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25. I live in Florida...
...do any of the people who replied? Probably not, Florida is almost completely dominated by Republicans. Anyhow, I wouldn't exactly call Jeb "fear mongering" like the "update" post suggests. I know most people here dislike him because he is Georgey's brother, but if anyone has been through a hurricane, it's scary as hell. I live on high ground and it still floods. Everywhere floods. Lake Okeechobee has killed thousands in the past due to hurricanes. If he feels the levees are in danger, shit, they very well could be. They've taken a beating and more hurricanes are coming annually than ever before. I just hope that the army corps of engineers (who f'd up Louisiana's levees) isn't trying to pinch a penny. Ah, yes, funding. Apparently they can waste thousands for state standardized testing that has no relevance to a national standard to base the test off of "no child left behind?" but can't beef up the levees to protect the citizens living close. And you know what else? Jeb is reaching the end of his term. Usually gov'rs slack off their last two years. He's continuing to make his presence... relevant, I suppose, and either way at least he is raising concerns and creating accountability. I really feel that if the levees don't fail this year, they will in the next five.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 12:17 PM
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26. how long is the line going to be with people/states needing
assistance from the feds?

how long will everyone have to wait?

lucky we have these great republicans in office--rushing to fix what needs to be taken care of--helping and offering aid to all those who need it

(ha! get in line jeb!)
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 05:11 PM
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27. Jeb looking presidential
there is something fishy going on here,I can tell Mr.Rove is up to more of his dirty tricks,Jeb has been in the news too much lately,I sure hope the american people( dittoheads and conserative rethugs,are not people)can see whats going on,WAKE UP PEOPLE ,RID YOUR COUNTRY OF THE VIRUS THAT HAS PLAGUED THIS LAND TOO LONG.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 06:01 PM
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28. Jebbie will use the money for the dikes for development.
I don't trust Jebbie and I'll bet that he uses money for the dikes for increased real estate development in the area. He is the idiot that was going to privatize South Florida's water system through a subsidiary of Enron (thankfully Enron collapsed before that deal went through). I'd bet that money to repair the dikes would also be used for water projects to increase development in S. Florida.

We're already overpopulated for the environment in S Florida. We already are trying desalinization plants to increase water supply. Jebbie was a crooked real estate developer before he was appointed governor and the main way he has increased the FL economy is through promoting rapid real estate development for rich retirees and second homes for the wealthy. He has gutted environmental regulations and zoning practices. I can't see any good of Jebbie's promotion of reworking the dikes. There may be a real problem there but Jebbie is mainly interested in the real estate development potential.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 06:11 PM
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29. Smart move to insure he won't get blamed later on if disaster occurs
I have no doubt of his future Presidential aspirations. He can probably obtain Federal money readily and also control what contractors reap the benefits. Two for one in getting more money for his pals plus solidifying his future political career by making sure he won't ever be blamed for a Katrina like disaster.
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