"Medical examiner says teen...died at Fla juvenile boot camp"suffocated

http://www.cnn.com/
Only headliner at top so far.
Medical examiner says teen who died at Florida juvenile boot camp was suffocated by guards.

http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=4865892&nav=ZolHbyvj

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kicking this to keep it up during goss madness moments

given me the creep?

becoming an American tradition? We incarcerate more people than other Western countries, we invaded another country which was no threat to us, and then proceeded to use torture on prisoners. We are becoming barbaric, and beating up teen-agers is no way to make them reform. If the kid had survived the beating, who thinks that would make him become a model citizen? I don't, I think it would only make him hate the society who put him there, and who condones such brutal behavior.

We certainly have a problem with violence, brutality and rape, in its many combinations. This is not right, and as a nation we need to start doing something about it.

From the bizarre "hot saucing" tip of the iceberg to WWASPS, the goal is to "break" the child like an unruly horse, grind their psyches down and reduce them to powder.
http://www.nospank.net/main.htm is angry, and shows you exactly the reasons why it is so.

The youngest is 39, the oldest is 44. I didn't spank them, and encouraged their interests and talents. I would have considered such treatment as "breaking" a child to be abuse. All three, by the way, are wonderful people, considerate of others, honest, and compassionate. I've received many compliments on them over the years, the most frequent being how sweet and nice they are.

How can any rational person consider a child the enemy? No wonder this country is so screwed up. How sad life must be for these children. By the way, all four of my grandchildren, two grown, are sweet people, too. I can remember something one of my cousins told me years ago, to the effect that our parents didn't really prepare us for the real world, because we thought that all people loved their families and got along. I wish that were really true.

If parents, the protectors, use brutality and punishment, no wonder the country is so violent, and getting worse.

since they were trying to revive him with the ammonia (smelling salts).

after all, we were just trying to revive him? To hell with that.

That type of thing happens more often than most people think. I spent time in juvie as a kid including a good time in an isolation cell, that was back in the 70's and the system has just got tougher since.

There's a video from the BBC that explored the connection between the abuse we've seen in our war and where some of those guards got their initial training, in our own prisons. If you think the pictures we saw from Iraq were bad just consider that it goes on here too, with our own people as the victims. This explores the adult system more, but it applies to kids too. You can visit the main page with a small video window and some info on the video at the first link following, or just download the video at the second link. Be warned, it's graphic and a bit long, but worth knowing about.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.htm
http://videos.informationclearinghouse.info/2prison.wmv

sex=bad, violence=tolerated is wrong. Just plain wrong. Treating kids bad to make them be good is wrong.

I went in myself as a stubborn kid that would rather risk trouble for skipping school than be forced into a gang, by the time I came out I was pretty well hardened and pissed. It doesn't do a bit of good and I've spent the last several years trying to change things. It's mostly driven by the drug war, but the same "get tough" attitude has leaked into about every aspect of our lives. The only way we know how to respond to someone who won't cooperate is to kick them.

Something has to change, a lot of the criminals we face today were born in prison, they went in non-violent and fairly normal. I got straightened out, but I was lucky and it wasn't as bad back then. A lot don't and they didn't have to be the way they are today.

When it comes to the judicial/penal system, the USA is an anomaly among industrialized nations.

We incarcerate more people than anyone else. We give longer sentences than any other industrialized nation. We penalize non-violent crime with a vindictiveness that is destroying millions of families and the fabric of society (the so-called "war on drugs"). We mistreat convicts while in prison like they only do in third-world countries. Then we leave prisoners (violent or not) to fend for themselves in a brutal system where rape is the norm, and violence beyond belief is the currency, and where they have no rights or any minimal safety for their own lives.

There's no doubt a great deal of those incarcerated are really bad people, but many others are small time crooks, drug-related convicts, and often just folks awaiting for trial.

Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch consistently criticize, year after year, the brutal and unfair world of the American penal system, which is on part with countries like Turkey in the way the treat their convicts. You can read their reports here (note: heavy stuff):

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison

http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=usa_prisons

All this brutality reverts back to our society. It's never just contained behind the walls of the prisons.

But thank you for the links

where sadistic, giggling guards were hired 2 order kids around and jebster finds fault in emails????? WTF is wrong w/ Florida?

>>The new findings were announced as part of an investigation by Hillsborough County State Attorney Mark Ober. Gov. Jeb Bush appointed him in February to investigate the death after Siebert's findings were disputed by the 14-year-old boy's family and others. Ober asked Adams to do a second autopsy.

No one has been arrested and Ober said no timeline has been established for completing the investigation.

"I assure the family of Martin Anderson and the people of the state of Florida that my office is working diligently to aggressively investigate all aspects of this case," Ober said in a statement. He declined to answer questions about Adams' findings.

Anderson's parents, Gina Jones and Robert Anderson, planned a news conference Friday evening at their attorney's Tallahassee office to respond to the findings. Marc Tochterman, a spokesman for the Bay County Sheriff's Office, which operated the boot camp, said the agency had no immediate comment.<<
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOU_BOOT_CAMP_DEATH_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Attorney General Charlie Crist said Friday that Siebert "should probably be suspended pending further review." He said the second autopsy report wasn't surprising.

"I can't say I'm shocked after having watched the tape. What was surprising was the first autopsy," Crist said. He said there "probably will be arrests."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOU_BOOT_CAMP_DEATH_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

article being edited, updated and added to -

>>Waylon Graham, attorney for sheriff's Lt. Charles Helms, who was second in command of the boot camp and present in the exercise yard that day, said he wasn't shocked by Adams' report. Graham said the investigation has turned into a "witch hunt" with criminal charges inevitable.

"I think (Helms) knows what's coming next," Graham said. "When you get an autopsy with results like that it's pretty clear that they are going to charge him and obviously the others. It would take a pretty naive person to think otherwise."

He said Helms doesn't believe that the guards caused Anderson's death.<<
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SOU_BOOT_CAMP_DEATH_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

It's the cure all isn't it? :sarcasm:

http://www.abundantlifeacademy.us/profile.php


"The typical ALA student is "entitled", "selfish", "self-centered", or "self-engrossed". In earlier times this child would be considered to be "spoiled", "demanding", or a "brat". Today we consider them to be a troubled teen. Besides, there is no therapy in the world that will help a child to grow into an adult...

Because of the parent's determination to protect and provide for their children their child has lacked the adversity needed to induce and promote maturity and emotional growth. ...And, Jesus is the only cure."

and the medical examiner

Adobe (pdf) file:
http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miami/news/archive/0505bootcamp.pdf

on edit: from the medical examiner's statement:

>>I have reviewed all investigative reports as well as all known
medical records for Martin Anderson. My opinions are based
on all available information, including the video, police
reports, medical records, and autopsy findings.

I have formed the following opinions:

1) Martin Anderson had sickle cell trait.

2) The repeated blows to Martin Anderson’s limbs and the
gripping of his limbs left several bruises but did not contribute
to his death. In other words, he was not beaten to death.

3) Martin Anderson’s death was caused by suffocation due to
actions of the guards at the boot camp. The suffocation was
caused by manual occlusion of the mouth, in concert with
forced inhalation of ammonia fumes that caused spasm of the
vocal cords resulting in internal blockage of the upper airway.<<
http://www.miami.com/multimedia/miami/news/archive/0505bootcamp.pdf

Saying he died of sickle-cell is about like saying he died from eating too much watermelon and fried chicken...

I was just informed about this thread by a member over at NYRA (www.youthrights.org), and I’m here to provide you with more information about these facilities in addition to information about how you can help us keep this from happening again.

Someone above said “WTF is wrong w/ Florida?” Unfortunately, it is not just Florida. These facilities are all over the United States, and are for the large part unregulated.

Even more unfortunate is that Martin Lee Anderson is not the first child/teenager to die in these facilities. Since December 2005, three children have died in behavioral modification facilities. A complete list of all the deaths that these places are responsible for is available at:

http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20List%20of%20Names%20-names%20omitted.htm

Clearly there is a problem with this form of “treatment” (if you did not already guess this). Testimony from survivors, parents, and former staff members of these facilities can be found at www.caica.org in addition to http://cafety.org/ and www.tbfight.com.

We need your help to help fight schools and facilities like this. There is a ghostwritten letter to the editor available that details the abuses and the problems with this type of “tough love” that you can send to your local newspaper to inform others of the truth regarding these places. It can be found at: http://www.youthrights.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7545

Again, we need your help. Thank you for your time.

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Excellent first post, by the way, thank you.