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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:47 PM
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Feud led to Goss’ firing (Negroponte, Hayden...)

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nationworld/story/5730482p-5129343c.html

Feud led to Goss’ firing
CIA director reportedly disagreed with possible changes


WASHINGTON – As befits the CIA’s former spy chief, Porter Goss’ only public comment on his surprise resignation last week has been that the reasons behind it would have to remain a “mystery.”
But a senior U.S. intelligence official with first-hand knowledge of events says Goss was dismissed as CIA director after the White House became convinced that strong disagreements with his immediate boss, John Negroponte, over changes Goss feared would limit the agency’s scope and influence were beyond resolution.

The dispute, the official said, had been “ongoing for a couple of months” before Goss’ departure. It was Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, whom President Bush has nominated to fill Goss’ position, who began the critical assault on Goss by complaining of his performance to a CIA civilian oversight body.

Goss, Negroponte and the new White House chief of staff, Josh Bolten, met recently “and came to the conclusion that this is pretty much a place that they weren’t going to get past,” the official said.


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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:50 PM
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1. I picture all those guys as being as petty and pissy as a
bunch of pre-pubescent junior high girls.

Don't accuse me of being sexist. I'm female and have four daughters. I KNOW.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:54 PM
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3. As one of three former pre-pubescent j.h. girls/daughters, I
concur, though I'm not willing to discount HOOKERGATE just yet!;-)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:04 PM
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6. Hookers mean nothing in D.C. politics today ...
well, with qualification, ONLY if they're found with "a dead girl or a live boy." WORD. Only counts when it's a Democrat and the public may be too burned-out for that drama. ;)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:45 PM
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17. Oh no, don't discount Hookergate. But I meant that they sound
just like my kids "oh yeah, well I'm telling Mom that you... (fill in the blank)"
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:23 PM
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11. The evidence would suggest you are correct!
Prepubescent junior high girls have nothing on querulous old men, I know-I'm a curmudgeon!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:46 PM
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18. Well I've heard it said that I'm an Old Lady
Edited on Fri May-12-06 01:46 PM by acmavm
or Old Woman

edit: to add the Old Woman part
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:52 PM
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2. And it had absolute nothing to do with FBI investigations, that's all
they'll confirm for now...
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:55 PM
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4. This is the new spin - his firing had nothing to do with hookers
so stop saying that.

This doesn't make sense - Goss was sent to purge the CIA of liberals and leaks then suddenly he's defending the Agency against Negroponte who, from what I read, spends most of his days living the high life and and as little time as possible doing his job. I can't get away with two hour lunches every day and my job has nothing to do with security. How would they have a fight?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 12:59 PM
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5. Negroponte has a grossly over inflated opinion of himself...
they answer his phone "Ambassador Negroponte's office" and he insists on being called "Ambassador".

If memory serves, wifey is a British heiress with a ton of money, which is how he got to this point in his life.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 02:16 PM
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20. No, Negroponte got to this point in life by recruiting and managing....
...death squads wherever he has been assigned. Although he is officially listed as being part of the U. S. diplomatic corps since 1960, in reality he has been an intelligence operative for the CIA. His influence stems largely from the fact that he knows where the "bodies are buried" from Vietnam up to, and including, all current operations. In short, he is a very dangerous individual...anyone who takes him lightly do so at their own peril.

He owes nothing to his wife being a British heiress, because he has grown quite wealthy on his own.

He insists on being called "ambassador" because he has held that title in three different locations:

*Honduras 1981-1985
*UN 2001-2004
*Iraq 2004-2005

Here are some links to Negroponte's biography:

<http://www.california-recall.com/articles/article-136181083090027.html>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte>

<http://www.historyguy.com/biofiles/negroponte_john.html>

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 02:39 PM
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21. Nevertheless...
his marriage to Diana Villiers was his entree to British Royalty and British intelligence, his career took off after that.

Don't dispute that he's quite dangerous.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:10 PM
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7. Yawn, sound like and looks like and smell like shit coming down the pike.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:11 PM
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8. The old boys' network willget even with Hayden for this at confirmation
hearings. Congressmen and former congressmen, at least those from the same party, have unflinching loyalty to each other. It will not go over well with them to learn that Goss' replacement was the very one who took him down, especially with the abrupt unprofessional way he was dumped with no warning.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:14 PM
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9. BS
They would have engineered his exit a lot more carefully, complete with a farewell speech to the troops and all sorts of malarky. Something really, really bad came to the attention of the White House and they dumped him instantly so they could later say that "the moment we became aware, we took action..."

I think they know that curious reporters are trying to find the real reason, and this is the best they could come up with.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:16 PM
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10. everyone is scared of negroponte cuz no
one knows where the deaths squads are hidden.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:25 PM
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12. The timing still makes no sense.
It took the attention away from Patrick Kennedy, and Goss had no time to even make up a reason for leaving. It was very clumsy, which, in and of itself, raised questions.

That might have been part of why he was ousted, but not all of it.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:25 PM
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13. Now we'll definately get unvarinshed intel on Iran! Hah, just kidding.
Look out Iran, the crazy man is coming.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:29 PM
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14. Goss failed to flush out the 'malcontents' in the CIA
Hayden will fail too. We can expect some riveting disclosures about, hmmm let me see, procurement irregularities for example, when Hayden was in the Pentagon. I know it's all speculation at this point.

The way I see it, Bu$h has PO'd too many in the CIA, Hayden will be no more successful in weeding out the opposition than Goss was. Goss will go belly-up in that Wilkes deal, just watch it happen. Think of a rotten fish floating in the fishbowl.

As for death squad and his boss the grim reaper, they're time in the glare will come too.

It's the Clash of the Titans. Make a good title, don't ya think?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:30 PM
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15. "Office of the Director of Nat'l Intelligence"---is this new office like
Edited on Fri May-12-06 01:34 PM by wordpix
the Pentagon's "Office of Secret Plans" i.e. an official sounding "independent" office that's actually an extension of BushCo? Sounds like it to me and Negroponte is "in" with the cabal. No doubt this new office is gathering "intel" to go to war with Iran next. :eyes:

snip:
But the senior CIA official said that, under Negroponte’s plan, some responsibility for analysis of information gathered from the CIA’s worldwide network of informants, along with a “significant number” of CIA analysts, would move from CIA’s Directorate of Intelligence to Negroponte’s Office of the Director of National Intelligence.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:53 PM
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19. It'll be interesting to see how well
Negropontes DHS agents get along with the FBI's Special Agents in charge in the field offices. Somehow I think there will be friction.

Now as for the CIA, traditionally their bailiwick has been international, and now Negroponte wants to step in there, somehow I think the Department of Defense may object.

I see all this as a food fight, and that frat boy Bu$h has screwed the pooch. He's going to get it from all directions. In fact, if I were to planning to disrupt the entire intelligence operation in our country, I couldn't think of a better way than create some bogus new department that will come in and step-on everyones toes. It's hard enough to keep people working together without dropping something 'new and improved' into the mix.

What did he learn in school? Didn't he graduate with a MBA? I guess he missed the organizational structures class, probably out sniffing glue at that time.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-12-06 01:42 PM
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16. Consolidate all power to the Executive.
Seems the last people I'd have pegged as the real Minuteman patriots are the entrenched and angry spooks at CIA.

This REALLY IS topsy-turvey world.
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