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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:05 PM
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Russia and US trade angry words over Iran at UN dinner
The American secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and her Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, traded barbs during bad-tempered talks at a foreign ministers' summit in New York on Iran's nuclear programme. The exchanges provided a candid introduction to diplomacy for Margaret Beckett, the new Foreign Secretary, who attended the tetchy session at the end of her first full day in the job. The row, which further undermines hopes of a diplomatic solution to the Iran crisis, reflects deepening rifts between the United States and Russia.

Tension surfaced at a private meeting hosted by Ms Rice in the Waldorf Hotel for the Russian, British, French, German and Chinese foreign ministers, and spilt over into a much-delayed dinner. One official in Washington said: "It was a pretty extraordinary session and everyone's been talking about it in private since. It was certainly quite an introduction to the rough and tumble of the new job for Mrs Beckett." Mr Lavrov arrived at the Waldorf for the meeting seething about a speech on Kremlin policies delivered by Dick Cheney, the vice-president, the previous week in Lithuania.

The Russian repeatedly complained about the comments and then threatened to veto a Security Council resolution, drafted by Britain and France and backed by the US, that would force Iran to abandon enrichment of uranium.
Although Moscow has made clear that it opposes any use of mandatory powers, the other ministers were left in no doubt that Mr Lavrov's approach reflected fury over the Cheney speech. As the mood worsened, Mr Lavrov accused the Americans of seeking to undermine efforts by Britain, France and Germany to solve the crisis. He singled out Nicholas Burns, the State Department's number three, for particular flak, complaining about his criticism of Russian involvement in Iran's. Bushehr nuclear plant.

Already frustrated, Ms Rice, a Russia expert, took exception to his remarks about Mr Burns and curtly told her guest: "This meeting isn't going anywhere." The gathering in Ms Rice's suite had been intended as a 30-minute chat before dinner but turned into a two-hour session. By the time the foreign ministers sat down to eat at 10.30pm, their sea bass was shrivelled and, to Mrs Beckett's surprise, the bickering continued in front of senior officials. The next day, John Sawers, the Foreign Office political director, and colleagues from the other five nations worked to smooth over the row. They came up with a new proposal for incentives on trade deals, security guarantees and civilian nuclear technology for Iran if it halts enrichment.


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/05/14/wrice14.xml&DCMP=EMC-new_14052006
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:09 PM
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1. Sounds like this to do over bombing Iran may not be the cakewalk
that Iraq was.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:11 PM
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2. So...things not going so well diplomatically? No wonder they bomb stuff
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:29 PM
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7. They bomb
diplomatically, internationally, multilaterally, militarily

they bomb

that's all they do well
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:35 PM
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28. American diplomacy and foreign policy nuance:
B1 or B2 bomber?
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:11 PM
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3. USSR expert Condi is trying to relive the Cold War, huh?
You cant take these people anywhere!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:49 PM
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9. It must be hard being a cold war expert when the cold war is over.
It is so passe. :nopity:
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:13 PM
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4. What, she expected Cheney could rip them to shreds,
Edited on Sat May-13-06 09:17 PM by Kagemusha
then go talking about how great the main man in Kazakhstan (sp) is, and the Russians weren't going to even notice?...
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:19 PM
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5. the 'Russian Expert' strikes again
:rofl: :cry: :crazy: :grr: :nuke:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:27 PM
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6. check out this article...

The US's geopolitical nightmare
By F William Engdahl

The creation by Bush and Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and company of a geopolitical nightmare is also the backdrop to comprehend the dramatic political shift within the US establishment in the past six months, away from the Bush presidency. Simply put: Bush and Cheney and their band of neo-conservative war hawks, with their special relationship to the capacities of Israel in Iraq and across the Mideast, were given a chance.


A foreign policy disaster over China
In this context, the recent diplomatic insult from Bush to visiting Chinese President Hu Jintao is doubly disastrous for the US foreign position. Bush acted on a script written by the anti-China neo-conservatives, deliberately to insult and humiliate Hu at the White House.

Hu, though, didn't waste time or tears over the Bush affront. He immediately went to Saudi Arabia for a three-day state visit where he signed trade, defense and security agreements. This is no small slap in the face to Washington by the traditionally "loyal" Saudi royal house.


US out in cold in Central Asia
The admission of Iran into the SCO opens many new options for Iran and the region. By virtue of SCO membership, Iran will now be able to take part in SCO projects, which in turn means access to badly needed technology, investment, trade and infrastructure development. It will have major implications for global energy security.

The SCO has reportedly set up a working group of experts ahead of the June summit to develop a common SCO Asian energy strategy, and discuss joint pipeline projects, oil exploration and related activities. Iran sits on the world's second-largest natural-gas reserves, and Russia has the largest. Russia is the world's second-largest oil producer after Saudi Arabia. These are no small moves.


In the space of 12 months, Russia and China have managed to move the pieces on the geopolitical chess board of Eurasia away from what had been an overwhelming US strategic advantage, to the opposite, where the US is increasingly isolated. It's potentially the greatest strategic defeat for the US power projection of the post-World War II period. This is also the strategic background to the re-emergence of the so-called realist faction in US policy.

....there is much more at the link...a great read
F William Engdahl is the author of A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order, Pluto Press Ltd. He may be contacted at www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HE09Ad01.html
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:51 PM
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10. It is an excellent article.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:26 PM
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13. The article is a must read
Authors Walt and Mearsheimer also note that Perle and Feith put their names to a 1996 policy blueprint for Benjamin Netanyahu's then incoming government in Israel, titled, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" (Israel).

In that document, Perle and Feith advised Netanyahu that the rebuilding of Zionism must abandon any thought of trading land for peace with the Palestinians, ie, repeal the Oslo accords. Next, Saddam Hussein must be overthrown and democracy established in Iraq, which would then prove contagious in Israel's other Arab neighbors. That was in 1996, seven years before Bush launched a near-unilateral war for regime change in Iraq.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/HE09Ad01.html

The neocons have brought calamity to the world and their policies, or rather the failures of their policies, will have the unintended consequences of bringing about the death of American imperialism. If any good ever comes out of evil, this would be one of those instances!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:26 PM
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17. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."
Well, they have certainly done that. The problem is that their "own reality" happens to suck.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:42 PM
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24. Their own reality is crashing as we speak
To think that there was a candlelight vigil held in Tehran on the aftermath of 9-11 in remembrance of the victims. How much damage have they caused to this nation!
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 05:40 PM
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29. What a quote
what fucking monsters.

They should all be in prison, at the least. I'd prefer they all hang from lampposts.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:33 PM
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27. I knew it was getting bad...I just didn't know HOW bad. Good article!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:29 PM
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8. My, my, I see Condi's diplomatic prowess was on full display, lol
Way to go, Condi, you are "doin a heckofajob"!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 09:52 PM
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11. That was a "heck of a jab!"
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:10 PM
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12. "their sea bass was shrivelled..."
By the time the foreign ministers sat down to eat at 10.30pm, their sea bass was shrivelled
I wish I had been a fly on the wall and heard all the bickering, but then, Condi would have caught me with her lizzard tongue and eaten me.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 10:45 PM
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14. LOL, Condi was too busy flicking that lizard tongue at the Russian
to notice any flys!
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:14 PM
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15. George Bush the Uniter.
Way to go! You have got almost the whole world united against the U.S..

I wonder if Foreign Secretary Beckett had a chance to meet Amb. Bolton during her first full day on the job. If she had, she may be thinking that she is not being paid enough.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:23 PM
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16. I'm certainly glad the grownups are in charge.
Imagine if this had been a bunch of immature people with poor self-control ...
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 11:36 PM
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18. This is undoubtedly the worst confrontation between the U. S.....
...and Russia since the Cold War Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

This kind of crap just makes it harder not to believe that the NeoCons are gunning for Armageddon, and the sooner the better. That would help explain why they don't seem to care where the U. S. economy is headed, nor how many countries they piss off.

This is not going in a very direction at all.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:36 AM
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19. Wow, this is exciting.
A fight! This reminds me of WWF....with China standing off to the side. Then, at the opportune moment, she reaches into the ring, and trips one of the wrestlers.

Go Condi! I'd love to see them jumping on the beds in the hotel room, throwing things at each other.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 12:42 AM
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20. Pravda had on last night that Putin was pissed off at CHENEY
Russia has had it with this Bush or should I say Cheney regime!!!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 06:30 AM
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21. ms rice WISHES she was an expert regarding russia.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:12 PM
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22. I don't think she was much of an expert when we have Cold War II
Setting aside the criminal behaviour of the Bush regime, this is the biggest collection of incompetents to have ever run the country.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:04 PM
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25. ...
''this is the biggest collection of incompetents to have ever run the country.''

good enough to repeat.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 03:39 PM
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23. I guess Condi ain't no Russian expert afterall! LOL!!!
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 04:10 PM
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26. Less about defending America than defending her boyfriend
I'm so old, I remember when Secretaries of State were expert counselors to the president, and the top diplomat representing America.

Condi is using all of her talent and ability to be the top apologist for Bush/Cheney's wackyassed and disastrous foreign policies. I have seen no evidence of independent or critical thinking on her part. Her judgements have been breathtakingly incompetent.

Better that she would have stuck with the piano or figure-skating, than be part of the force that would engulf our planet in unending, horrific war.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-14-06 09:47 PM
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30. Russia is so ticked off
and they know who is running the country and its Cheney!!!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 03:35 AM
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31. Condi sings "Bring back my cold war to me".
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