Spies ‘hid’ bomber tape from MPs (London Train Bombing)

May 14, 2006

Bugging revealed earlier plot

MI5 is being accused of a cover-up for failing to disclose to a parliamentary watchdog that it bugged the leader of the July 7 suicide bombers discussing the building of a bomb months before the London attacks.

MI5 had secret tape recordings of Mohammad Sidique Khan, the gang leader, talking about how to build the device and then leave the country because there would be a lot of police activity.

However, despite the recordings, MI5 allowed him to escape the net. Transcripts of the tapes were never shown to the parliamentary intelligence and security committee (ISC), which investigated the attacks.

The disclosures prompted allegations of a “whitewash” from politicians and victims of the attacks this weekend.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2179602,00.html

Sounds like another LIHOP event.

Sad that it's come to this.

My thoughts exactly. Beware of neocons with political troubles - they're bad for your health.

that were bombed! Iow, they were holding a fire drill when someone set a real fire, just like 911!
amazing noone mentions this....

Can you source that?

at the time.

It was deemed tinfoil hat stuff and the threads were banished to the dungeon.

They were doing security excercise.

of an interview with Peter Power, Managing Director of the security firm Visor Consultants:

Evan Solomon: We've heard something quite extraordinary - could be a coincidence or not - that your firm, on the very day that the bombs went off in London, were running an exercise simulating three bombs going off, in the very same tube stations that they went off. How did this happen? Coincidence, or were you acting on information that you knew?

Peter Power: I don't think you could say that we had some special insight into the terrorist network, otherwise I would be under arrest myself. The truth of it is -

Solomon: But it is a coincidence.

Power: It's a coincidence, and it's a spooky coincidence. Our scenario was very similar - it wasn't totally identical, but it was based on bombs going off, to the time, the locations, all this sort of stuff. But it wasn't an accident, in the sense that London has a history of bombs, and the reason why our emergency services did so well, and prepared probably better than any other city in the world, sadly they have to be. So it wasn't exactly rocket science or totally out of the pale to come up with that scenario unusual though it be to stop the exercise and go into real time, and it worked very well, although there was a few seconds when the audience didn't realize whether it was real or not.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/07/kick-at-darkness.html

the reference to the security company exercise appeared almost as an aside when the company head marvelled (gasped more like it) that the london underground metro staffers were preparing for it when the news came that exactly the same stations had been hit in real blasts! It would be just as easy for you to locate this reference as for me (i never listed it; even at the time, it seemed to go under the radar-nevertheless the mundane aspects of the reference, off hand and only mentioned in a 'what a crazy coincidence' way...seemed too much. just like reading about 'vigilant guardian' was too fukking much)
There was some funky detail that the guy hired to run the london metro undergroud safety and security a few months before the tragedy was an ex cia guy.....i do have that somewhere and will post it later....i hope
ok. i have the pic and some detail from 'international connection' website
ex cia guy named 'bob kiley' hired in 2002 to 'fix' the London Underground metro system
see, follow links...
www.axisofevilradio.com

Minstrel Boy found the reference.

CBC is many things, but they don't put out this kind of stuff for the 'tinfoil hatted'!...there are some real vile snakes in the grass of our security and political apparatus.....no question about that!

addressing simultaneous exercises here

mp3 here

from transcript:

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

or like the hijacked jets each carried a handful of passengers, not the 200-300 possibles; it seems the 'terrorists' wanted to limit the damage as much as possible- have their caka and eat it too

.. get turned into a 'real thing' without the plan's details getting relayed to the bombers?

Drill security insiders reporting to the bombing planners seems more than slightly fishy and with no Lt. Columbo to sift through the wreckage, we hear little about apparent sabotage from within.

It's difficult to relay what's happening to corpses.

maybe the bombers thought it was an exercise also, and were given incorrect information on how to 'set' the timers to go off after they had escaped. But we can never know, because they are dead? Sounds so...93.

I've heard that Britain also had it's own version of the Patriot Act trotted out to be passed by Parliament, but it didn't get made into law there, like here.

The similarities are striking.

If they thought they were leaving the bombs behind, then backpacks were a strange choice - it's far more likely to be noticed when you take it off and leave it somewhere than a bag you carry in your hand. The behaviour of the fourth bomber also points to someone trying to detonate a bomb on which the timer had failed to go off: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article364330.ece

for the day of the bombing?

Or otherwise it would really be a total coincidence - unlikely.

"how did the drill plan get turned into a 'real thing' without the plan's details getting relayed to the bombers?"

The answer is that the bombs went off, and the bombers died; then the drill plan was turned into the 'real thing'. So there was no way of relaying what a private company was doing to the bombers - they were already dead. There would also be the question of why what one company among thousands in London was doing would be of any interest to bombers on the Underground. I don't see why one medium-sized company would be of any significance to them at all.

The company booked Mr. Power for the 7th of July, when he came to run an exercise in their office. This is his job, and something he does frequently for various customers. The bombers picked the 7th of July to make the attack. Yes, it's a coincidence.

See the email from Mr. Power:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=46961&mesg_id=47397

No-one mentions it because it's irrelevant. What happens in a paper exercise in an office does not affect the real world.

"we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on."

It seems as though Mr Power thinks the timely grouping of crisis managers prepared to simulate a virtually identical crisis had some effect upon the real world.

OK, I should have said "outside world". When the company found that the tube system was closed down, and they might have to see if any of their personnel were caught up in the real emergency, they had to go into crisis management mode. It has no bearing on how the bombs affected the rest of us.

it seems the police statists wanted something, and they got it - in that way, we, our freedom and our presumption of innocence/habeas corpus etc all are less a consideration after the 'exercise' then before. ...could that have been the purpose of it all, besides demonising islam? could the terrorists themselves have been pawns? does the fact murdering criminals run what affects us affect us?

and the Sunday Times article is important in that regard. At best MI5 has tried to cover up its incompetence; at worst, it was a LIHOP scenario.

But the private crisis management exercise is a complete red herring, that has nothing to do with the government.

Scotland and let * off the hook. He had nothing to offer at the summit, having a British 9/11 played to his strong point (at the time) of terrorism. Having Guiliani at the scene in London was also a great help.

Also Blair used 7/7 to play up the 'clash of civilizations' talking point (even though it was obvious that revenge for Iraq 'shock and awe' was probably the main motivation of the bombers).

I was in the LIHOP camp from day one just by instinct, but let's wait and the see as the evidence slowly filters out.

NB: As for demonising Islam, B*sh/Blair only do that indirectly as a way of keeping the gullible scared and targeting hate at countries they want to take over (eg. Iraq, Iran). They have to be careful because at the same time they don't want to upset their business partners in the ME oil monarchies (it's a fine line to tread, as the Dubai ports debacle showed).

in a conference room; the premise was that bombs had gone off at the tube stations, and the company would have to rearrange staffing and resources to deal with the needs that would be assumed. The people in charge of the simulation would notify the top-dogs of the business (and those being trained) as to what was going on; they would relay the information to the people that would have to make snap judgments as to who to call in, who to assume wouldn't be there, etc.

Nobody was actually running any exercises in the stations; the punctuation is misleading.

9/11, 7/7.

They evaced the Israelis -- but not their own people?

Because it sounds like a very anti-Israeli thing to say.

but I do remember something about the Brits tipping off Benjamin Netanyahu before hand who happened to be in London that day.

The story, of course, isn't about Israeli foreknowledge, but that of British intelligence.

Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast
10:43 Jul 08, '05 / 1 Tammuz 5765

(IsraelNN.com) Army Radio quoting unconfirmed reliable sources reported a short time ago that Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred.

The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address an economic summit.

At present, train and bus service in London have been suspended following the series of attacks. No terrorist organization has claimed responsibility at this time.

Israeli officials stress the advanced Scotland Yard warning does not in any way indicate Israel was the target in the series of apparent terror attacks.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=85346

Can't imagine who would even think such a thing.

Apparently even Wolfman Blizer did:



And witness to terror. Israeli finance minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is our guest here. He was in London yesterday. He received warnings just in time to avoid a conference near the Liverpool Street station bomb explosion.

<snip>

DOBBS: Let me first ask you, there are reports, and they surfaced yesterday almost immediately and continued today, that Israeli security forces received advance word of these explosions. Any truth to that?

NETANYAHU: Well, certainly not. If there was any advance notice, then I don't know of any. It certainly didn't get to me.

I was en route to the hotel right above that terminal. And I was stopped by the British security detail, who told my security, my Israeli security detail, that we just had an explosion. So my guys had absolutely no idea that this was about to happen...

DOBBS: You were on your way to the Liverpool Street...

NETANYAHU: And actually, I was on -- yes, to an economic conference right above the place where the first train blew up. So we had no idea this was going to happen.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/08/ldt.01.html

What next, accuse me of being an antisemite because I just stated the objective fact? I don't see anyway that could be construed as anti-israel unless you're just looking for any mention of israel that isn't praising it as some kind of death wish.

It's not an 'objective fact' - see post #32. But bringing an unconfirmed rumour that was quickly denied into this, nearly a year later, seems to show you want to include Israel in the accusation of prior knowledge.

... related to the Undergound's video monitors, so making an Israel connection is nothing outrageous and your accusations of bias also suggest an opposing bias on your own part.

Re: Arutz Sheva - 9/21/04
Israeli Security to Protect London's Underground

<http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=69208>

"Verint Systems, a subsidiary of Israel's Comverse Technology announced that Metronet Rail has selected Verint's networked video solution to enhance security of the London Underground, according to an Israel21c report.

"After extensive testing of Verint networked video system, including pilot installation on selected rail lines, Metronet Rail selected it to be installed on the entire Underground. The system will enable security personnel to monitor passenger platforms and certain remote portions of the track."

The video mintors weren't functioning properly on the date of the bombing, is what I recall.

The bus, run by Stagecoach, whose CCTV is provided by LOOK CCTV, which is a British company, had CCTV cameras that were not working.