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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:35 PM
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Wired : The Ultimate Net Monitoring Tool : NSA Domestic Spying
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70914-0.html?tw=rss.index


The equipment that technician Mark Klein learned was installed in the National Security Agency's "secret room" inside AT&T's San Francisco switching office isn't some sinister Big Brother box designed solely to help governments eavesdrop on citizens' internet communications.

Rather, it's a powerful commercial network-analysis product with all sorts of valuable uses for network operators. It just happens to be capable of doing things that make it one of the best internet spy tools around.

"Anything that comes through (an internet protocol network), we can record," says Steve Bannerman, marketing vice president of Narus, a Mountain View, California, company. "We can reconstruct all of their e-mails along with attachments, see what web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their (voice over internet protocol) calls."

Internet companies can install the analyzers at every entrance and exit point of their networks, at their "cores" or centers, or both. The analyzers communicate with centralized "logic servers" running specialized applications. The combination can keep track of, analyze and record nearly every form of internet communication, whether e-mail, instant message, video streams or VOIP phone calls that cross the network.

Brasil Telecom and several other Brazilian phone companies are using Narus products to charge each other for VOIP calls they send over one another's IP networks. Internet companies in China and the Middle East use them to block VOIP calls altogether.


You government is spying on you. The leaders of your party don't care and the Republicans think is a neccesity, in order to fight thier fake war on Terror.

Wake up America!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:31 AM
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1. It ain't just "Wake up America" - wake up WORLD!!
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We have more privacy talking on a busy street-corner than on the net.

almost any major crime will involve the grabbing of a suspect's computer - cuz it holds more secrets than you can ever imagine

"deleted" stuff ain't really deleted

and them humongous e-mail boxes we got now?

ya think when you "delete" them from your mailbox that the server lets that info disappear???

I think not

imagine your loved one having access to all them love letters you wrote to your younger sweet-hearts

yeah it's that bad

That's my opinion anyhoo . . .

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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:32 AM
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2. e-mail is for suckers
and future inmates
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:31 AM
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3. Salon said the other day-this is the other show to drop. email (and cell

phone) data collectin by gov. will become known.



...Internet companies can install the analyzers at every entrance and exit point of their networks, at their "cores" or centers, or both. The analyzers communicate with centralized "logic servers" running specialized applications. The combination can keep track of, analyze and record nearly every form of internet communication, whether e-mail, instant message, video streams or VOIP phone calls that cross the network.

Brasil Telecom and several other Brazilian phone companies are using Narus products to charge each other for VOIP calls they send over one another's IP networks. Internet companies in China and the Middle East use them to block VOIP calls altogether.S
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:56 AM
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4. Non-denial denials
None of the telcomms' denials deny that the NSA installed equipment at their facilities and collected whatever information they wanted on their own.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 02:03 AM
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5. Don't worry, if you need it -- it's here!

PGP - Pretty Good Privacy

http://www.openpgp.org/

http://www.gnupg.org/

http://www.pgpi.org/

Now you can say fuck bush all you want...
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:31 PM
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8. The NSA can break PGP encryption in about an hour
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:03 PM
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9. Some SSH tunneling
available on the market (e.g. findnot) for not too much money use 128 bits encryption, which doesn't take one hour to break. Breaking such encryption, if done systematically, consumes too much computing power to be practical.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:06 PM
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10. You are wrong.
The NSA can break anything. They have massive super computers that make mincemeat of breaking these schemes.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:17 PM
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12. You miss the 'unpractical" aspect.
The NSA can break anything indeed. But mass-breaking, say over 10,000 codes, is not realistic. Too much computing power and bucks for the bang. There needs to be a very narrow selection, which implies very stringent criteria, which implies a strong theory, which is not available.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:21 PM
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14. I think you underestimate the NSA
PGP gives you the illusion of security. It can be broken by authorities. So saying : "oh don't worry about the NSA use PGP" is dishonest.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:26 PM
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16. I think you somewhat overestimate snoops:
monitoring all encrypted internet communication is not feasable. Theoretically, you can also tail everyone in this nation: you just need one agent per subject. It is possible but not feasable. But I see your point.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:21 PM
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15. If NSA is smart, they would concentrate on encrypted messages
If the NSA is smart, they would concentrate on messages where there was encryption or where someone tried to use an anonymous service. If someone is making a regular phone call over their own land line, the odds are pretty low they are Al Qaida.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:28 PM
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17. Well then, if you're correct that's what Al Qaeda would use.
Edited on Thu May-18-06 01:28 PM by fshrink
Which, by the way is the basics of clandestinity. There's no end to that game. But what remains is the mass of data.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 02:06 AM
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6. Anybody who likes populist Chavez
is probably on some terrorist list

and subject to Rendition, Torture &c &c &c
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 06:56 AM
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7. The capability is not new, it's always been that way.
Edited on Thu May-18-06 07:01 AM by bemildred
The only substantive information here is that someone put together a hardware package with the speed and storage to record everything (so they say) for some unspecified period. It would result in a really huge data set if continued for any length of time at any major ISP.

When using ANY form of electronic communications, you should assume you can be watched and recorded. This has ALWAYS been the case. The same actually applies in almost all other circumstances in which you are in what passes for civilization these days.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:09 PM
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11. Never Write Anything in an Email You wouldn't want Cheney to Read
There is an old phrase to never write anything in an email that you wouldn't want to see spread across the front page the next morning. I guess the new phrase is never write anything in an email that you wouldn't want Dick Cheney to read.

This ATT story must be true because the NSA is trying so hard to kill it.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:20 PM
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13. Great Cartoon on Bush's Changing Changing Explanation
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 04:55 PM
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:13 PM
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19. Why are so many so eager to give up their hard fought rights?
Some Bushbots have actually told me they are happy about this because they have nothing to hide -- as if a few thousand angry Muslims were scarier than a totalitarian personal communication system.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 09:58 PM
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20. I don't get it either.
I have been aware of the existence of "the program" for the past couple of years. My company conducts business in a telco central office in a major city. As a result, I have firsthand knowledge of the facility.

When I describe to family, friends or colleagues the extent of what's going on, the response is generally one of indifference. For something so all-encompassing, one would think people would actually give a shit.

I thought the release of the article today in Wired might wake people up.

Nope.

:boring:

We are so screwed.
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