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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:37 PM
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Border Fight Divides G. O. P. (NY Times)


By JIM RUTENBERG
Published: May 26, 2006

WASHINGTON, May 25 — The negotiations between the White House and Congress that will follow the Senate's passage on Thursday of an immigration bill could decide not just how the nation confronts illegal immigration but also what strain of conservatism the Republican Party carries into the midterm elections and beyond.

Will it be the compassionate brand Mr. Bush considers crucial to the party's future, in this case by signaling support for a provision in the Senate bill that would give most illegal immigrants a shot at becoming legal? Or will it be the more rigid variety embraced by much of Mr. Bush's party in the House, one that shuns anything that smacks of amnesty for illegal immigrants and seeks to criminalize them further?

The 62-to-36 vote in the Senate was a victory for a fragile bipartisan coalition.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/washington/26assess.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=875927ec9d1ff61a&hp&ex=1148616000&partner=homepage

Well, DUHHH!
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:20 PM
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1. This was supposed to be a wedge issue to use against the Democrats
It backfired big time on the Repugs.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:13 AM
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2. Still a wedge issue - their not done yet
Like the DEMs actually have an equal access to the media. Only a passing glance was offered to the truth this was the KENNEDY/McCain Bill renamed by some Repuke thugs who put their own name on it to steal his thunder. Not to mention they loaded it up with mean spirited Draconian amendments in the final hours before passage.

We haven't even seen all the fine print yet the Repukes put into the amendments
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:30 AM
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3. The Repugs have lost on this issue
The House Repugs refuse to remove language from their bill that makes felons out of those who help illegal aliens.

As long as that poison pill remains, it's a loser issue for them.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:09 AM
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5. Agreed - but isn't that bill dead
That was the House bill proposed by Frist. Kennedy/McCain bill was in response to that because it was Frist Bill that triggered 1 million people in the streets protesting.

The result was Kennedy's bill got railroaded and renamed by 2 Republicans then amended in Senate. It seemed fairly well balanced with quite a few amendments the DEMs were succesfully presenting until today - in the last hours the bill took on some fairly mean spirited amendments as several Neo-Cons started stamping their feet saying they couldn't support it until they extracted some revenge on the Brown hoard.

Now it goes into conference with the House

Given the backlash they recieved I don't think the majority of the House will try to place too many mean spirited measures in it.

Presently it provides a path-way to legalisation for the majority of the 11 million here already (felons / repeat offenders ommitted)

But it also increases existing work visa programs by 200,000.

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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:15 AM
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6. The House bill was passed
And as you said, it now goes into to conference with the two Houses.

Hastert all but said the House provisions will stand or no bill would come out of the Congress.


"I don't think the majority of the House"

The majority of the House won't be involved in the making of the final bill. The House leadership will be. And Hastert is the majority leader in the House.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 03:23 AM
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8. You're losing it - the House bill died in Senate
This is a new bill they just passed

I know it is an emotional issue but please be calm and try to read. The Frist bill died dead - very dead in the Senate. Kennedy/McCain drafted a whole NEW bill, but the DEMs tried to ram it through with no amendments. Then the present bill emerged, basicly the same Bill Kennedy drafted but with some minor changes. then they passed a whole bunch of amendments to that bill.

It's the Senate Bill that is going to the house for conference
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:46 AM
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9. House bills can't die in the Senate
The two bills are debated and a final bill is voted on by both houses and sent to the president for signature.


"The Frist bill died dead"

Frist is a Senator and we are talking about the House bill.


Jeesh.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:25 PM
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12. Here's proof you don't know what the hell you're talking about
The Senate, closing one round of acrimonious debate but setting the stage for another, passed legislation Thursday that would both tighten the borders to new immigrants and provide procedures for the 12 million foreigners already living in the U.S. illegally to gain legal status.

The bill, which passed 62-36, now goes to a committee of House and Senate members, who will try to forge a compromise between the Senate legislation and a much more punitive bill approved by the House in December.

The task may prove impossible. House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., said this week that he would not schedule a compromise bill for floor action unless it commanded the support of a majority of the House's Republican majority.

"If Speaker Hastert insists on the 'majority of the majority,' " Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said this week, then the immigration initiative is dead.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003019786_immig26.html
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 12:47 AM
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4. Maybe they ought to build a fence around the GOP...
...to keep them from strangling one another. lol
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:04 AM
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7. Naw, let 'em kill each other off
WE'll have a supermajority in both houses of congress, and the "brown horde" will never vote repuke ever again.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:19 AM
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11. And we'll have a class of slave labor
Democrats are just as bought and paid for as the GOP is. The corporations will just simply bribe whoever is in power. They don't care about elections.
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:14 AM
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10. This has to do with corporate interests, nothing else
Polls show Bush and the GOP is losing support across the board between both hispanics and white male conservatives.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/20/AR2006052000964.html

The conservative base is extremely angry at the GOP. More than 80% of Republican voters disagree with the Senate's amnesty bill.
But that doesn't matter. Because you have no clue how much money is at stake. The corporations that donate millions to the GOP are demanding that the borders be left open, because they want this continuous flow of immigrants. They want a class of slave labor.

So between the corporate people and then the stupid intellectual people that dream of an open-border world, the opinion of the average American voter is lost. And this why the Senate and the House are going to be flushed down the toilet in November.
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