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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:47 AM
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Feds Send Back Ga. Evolution Sticker Case
Feds Send Back Ga. Evolution Sticker Case
By GIOVANNA DELL'ORTO
Associated Press Writer

May 26, 2006, 12:10 AM EDT

ATLANTA -- A federal appeals court on Thursday sent back a lower court's order for a suburban Atlanta school district to remove textbook stickers calling evolution "a theory, not a fact," citing a lack of evidence in the case.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the federal district court must determine whether the government's actions are "religiously neutral." The ruling by the three-judge panel means the case could be retried.
(snip)

The Cobb County school system was ordered in January 2005 to remove the stickers from the inside front cover of 35,000 biology textbooks after a U.S. District Court judge ruled they represented an unconstitutional endorsement of religion. To comply, school staff and students scraped the stickers from all the books months later.

It had been the school's policy since 1995 to tear out chapters on evolution from science textbooks out of "respect for the family teachings of a significant number of Cobb County citizens," according to Thursday's opinion. But, in the spring of 2002, when the school district selected a new biology book that contained 101 pages on evolution, school officials decided to affix a disclaimer sticker instead of removing the section.
(snip/...)

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-evolution-debate,0,1134169.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 05:28 AM
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1. Gotta love institutionalized ignorance
"It had been the school's policy since 1995 to tear out chapters on evolution from science textbooks out of 'respect for the family teachings of a significant number of Cobb County citizens' "

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 05:46 AM
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2. Just wondering -
After tearing out portions of these books, did they throw them in a pile and burn them?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:20 AM
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4. Sounds about right
Torquemada would be proud
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:28 AM
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6. I just don't get it.
I just don't get how people can willingly impair their own children by preventing them to learn science. Do they think this is good for them? That ignorance will somehow serve them in their lives? I just don't get it.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:29 PM
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17. You'd have to spend some time in the deep South
I have- and believe me- as a general rule, folks there aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, nor does critical thinking or questioning authority (like Babtist dogma) rank high among their values.





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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:15 PM
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20. Sadly I'm aware of that.
We do have some hardcore Baptists in Québec (albeit very few), and I've enjoyed destroying their arguments once or twice. I still don't get it though.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:33 AM
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14. I graduated from this school system in 1986
and they were not nearly so fucked up then. I remember learning about evolution in high school. But I guess the fundie wackos are in charge now. They are ignorant assholes and should not have anything to do with education. I am so deeply asheamed of having graduated from this system that I usually don't admit it anywhere. They are a disgrace.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 05:55 AM
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3. How about putting stickers in all Bibles sold in GA that say that the New
Edited on Fri May-26-06 05:56 AM by no_hypocrisy
and Old Testatments are "theory and not fact"? Including the Bibles that the churches keep sending their juvenile footsoldiers into public schools to distribute on their behalf. And in bookstores and in motel rooms. If the state legislature and subsequently the courts go along with evolution being fictitious, then all things being equal (protection, that is), run off some more stickers and stick'em where it counts for the sake continuity and consistency.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:27 AM
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5. I LIKE it! great idea! off to the printer . . . :)
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:29 AM
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7. The words "this is a fictitious story"
would apply better to the bible I think.
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sugapablo Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:48 AM
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8. Yep
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:53 AM
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9. Great pic.
That's exactly what needs to get on there.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:33 AM
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12. now That's a picture worth saving. ;-) n/t
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:07 AM
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10. Forgot one more inflammatory suggestion with the sticker idea.
Stickers in the Bibles passed out to student in the public schools for classes that teach "comparative religion" and "the Bible as literature". Yep, make it on the level of Greek myths and Grimm's Fairy Tales. Then let the kids make up their own minds, like the evolution minimalists propound.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:31 AM
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11. You really shouldn't compare the bible to Greek myths
or Grimm's fairytales.

When have they inspired people to kill Jews, to hate gays, to burn witches,
to kill people who differ in their beliefs or to reject science?

Or to knock on my door while I'm still asleep on a Sunday morning, trying to convert me?

If the people waking me have that freshly scrubbed, well-dressed look,
I now answer the door in whatever I was wearing in bed and invite them in.
Sleeping naked definitely has its advantages.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:30 AM
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13. The good parts of the Bible have inspired people to do great things, too
Like ending slavery in this country. American christians were a driving force behind the abolitionist movement, even if technically the Civil War was about state's rights.

Every day, in every poor city in this country, there are christians running shelters, food giveaways, and soup kitchens. They are visiting people in prison and in hospitals who have no one else to visit them.

Not too many of Grimm's fairy tales have inspired many good works, either. When you think about it, those stories have probably inspired as many childhood nightmares as Genesis or the Revelation. Stepmothers who want to kill their stepchildren, witches that eat children, trolls that live under bridges, evil dwarfs who try to trick mothers into giving up their babies, etc.

Or Hans Christian Anderson's tales, that Disney has to change the ending to in order to have a happy one. Anderson's "Little Mermaid" did not end happily ever after.

The only safe reading for children is Dr. Suess.
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sugapablo Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:35 AM
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15. Well...
OxyContin (sp?) has helped a lot of people deal with severe and crippling pain with no major side effects.

It's also cost people everything they own, including their lives and sometimes the lives of people around them.

Religion has two faces. Peopl CAN do good things with it. But man, does it create a lot of death and destruction along the way.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 02:15 PM
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16. And I've spent a lot of time running food drives
and helping in soup kitchens, alongside many beautiful atheists that I met who were also helping with charities.

I believe in the basic goodness of the human heart. You and I both know that there are good and bad people both within and outside religions. All groups have the power to influence their members, but it's the love and empathy within a person's own heart that pushes them to do that bit extra for others when it would be easier not to.

Some abolitionists were Christian, but not all. John Quincy Adams was a powerful force in fighting against slavery, and he stated himself that he did not believe in the divinity of Jesus.
http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/Adams_Family_Religion.htm

Christianity was also used the those fighting to keep slavery. As they pointed out, slavery is condoned and regulated withing the bible.

Dew attacked the plan, which called for all slaves to become property of the Virginia Commonwealth after July 4, 1840-- males at twenty-one, females at eighteen. This proposal, according to Dew, was a violation of property rights to slave owners and could never be accomplished because of the expense involved. Dew went on to the Biblical argument for slavery. He emphasized that nowhere does Scripture tag slavery as a sin, and that there is no command to abolish it. From the Biblical argument for slavery, Dew moved on to the historical one, pointing that slavery had existed continuously since the beginnings of recorded human history. Dew's arguments were the key factor in closing the door to emancipation in Virginia until the Civil War. (Thomas Dew's Review of the Debate in the Virginia Legislature of 1831- 1832) ... snip ...

1831
In the United States, the notion that slavery was God's will gained momentum after the Nat Turner slave rebellion of 1831. In hundreds of pamphlets, written from 1836 to 1866, Southern slaveholders were provided a host of religious reasons to justify the social caste system they had created. In their quest to justify black slavery, Southerners looked to the story of Noah's curse over his son Ham. According to Genesis 9, Noah planted a vineyard, drank too much wine and lay naked in his tent. When he awoke, Noah learned that his son Ham had seen him naked - a shame in the ancient world. He cursed Ham and his son, Canaan, saying, "lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers," 9:25. Since Canaan and his descendants were said to settle Africa, some believed African-Americans therefore were destined to be slaves. According to Dale Martin, a professor of religion at Duke University. (Bible neither condemns nor condones slavery, News & Observer on the Web, Raleigh NC: August 9th 1996))

http://www.innercity.org/holt/chron_1830_end.html

As for Dr Seuss, my kids preferred fairy tales. The message conveyed in most is that even a child can have a chance of winning against evil adults. When I was a child, trying to survive in a harsh environment, the fairy tales I read gave me hope.

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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:03 PM
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18. Greek myths. Socrates. Hemlock. Q.E.D.
(Or, more precisely, Greek religion).

People have killed each other over religion for as long as there has been religion as a convenient justification for the prevailing social mores. Some religions are more intolerant and kill more, others are less intolerant and kill less. But I know of no religion that hasn't been used as a justification for at least some murder.
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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:15 PM
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19. bibles in motels
What harm does it do? They sit in a drawer. They are the only item a hotel doesn't have to pay for. I would rather people steal those instead of the towels or coffee makers.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:31 PM
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21. Here are the Culprits...
Edited on Fri May-26-06 09:33 PM by OneAngryDemocrat
Here's the Cobb County Board of Education, which actually tore out entire chapters of evolution education from the kids' text books!!!


Lindsey Tippins


Curt Johnston


Betty Gray


Laura Searcy


Johnny Johnson


Kathie Johnstone


Teresa Plenge

They look scary... and soooooooo WHITE.

LOL!!!

Visit my anti-war website, www.shockedandawful.com
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